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Smart Liberal

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he media has gone into high boil over the actions of a handful of IRS employees in Cincinnati. The IRS is deliberately targeting political groups! They even admit it! Can impeachment be far behind?
Next step, tie this to Benghazi and any other fact-free psuedo-scandal close at hand. Step two, moan about the general incompetence and corruption of government. Step three, demand scalps but not before there's time to spin out a good half dozen Sunday talk show seasons on Taxgazi, or Tax and Furious, or whatever brand the pundits decide has the most snap.

You know this one must be the real deal, because every news channel, newspaper, local anchor, radio nutjob, and water cooler wag is singing the same tune. Hell, even Jon Stewart is on step two.

There's just one minor problem: the exact purpose of the IRS office in question IS to look at political groups. Specifically, to weed out purely political groups that promote or oppose candidates from obtaining a tax status that's supposed to go to nonprofit educational organizations. The crime of the IRS agents in Cincinnati? They were doing their job.

But what about the specific targeting of Tea Party groups? Doesn't that show that this was all just a witch hunt against groups with right wing ideologies? Uh, no. It came up at exactly the time the office was getting flooded with a bunch of hastily prepared applications spewing from the Tea Party's messy birth. The edict went out expressly because the office was being flooded with a bunch of hastily prepared, clearly political, applications all using very similar terms. In fact, the entire group of IRS employees in question was created to address the influx of possibly political applications. If the office had suddenly received a hundred applications for exempt status all claiming to be from the Sierra Club, wouldn't you want them to pay a bit more attention? I would. What if those applications had all been from groups using Muslim Brotherhood in their titles? Would the same pundits still be on the air screaming about the IRS getting all political?

Behind all this are the staggering numbers. Out of thousands of applications, only a handful were rejected. You know what happens while a nonprofit organization is waiting to get this approval? They get to operate as a nonprofit organization. The harm caused by this action is exactly zero, and exactly no groups have sued the IRS in response to their rejection. They simply amended the application and tried again.

These are agents doing their job. They responded to an unusual influx of groups with political language in their applications all going after a designation that excludes groups that carry out many political actions.

The only scandal here is that this is being reported as if the IRS did something wrong in injecting itself into politics. The law requires that the IRS inject itself into politics. Don't like it? Change the law. Don't attack the people trying to enforce it.
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Any links to back up your claims?
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sounds like slick willie actions ( RIGHT )?

In American history there have only been two Presidents who were impeached by the US House Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton (Richard Nixon was technically not impeached, since he resigned before the House could finish articles of impeachment against him). In both cases, they were acquitted by the U.S. Senate. Andrew Johnson was impeached, essentially, for working against Radical Republican efforts to make Reconstruction more painful for the defeated South after the Civil War. Richard Nixon, as we know, was going to be impeached for his part in covering up the break-in at the Watergate Hotel in which GOP operatives tried to spy on Democrat planners. Bill Clinton, for his part, was impeached for having sex...wait, that's not it, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice (things that would have gotten any of us thrown in jail if we had done them).

The magnitude of the scandalous and illegal behavior of the Obama administration makes all of these prior impeachments, as well as the many other scandals that have plagued the American government of the last two and a quarter centuries, look like child's play.
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There's just one minor problem: the exact purpose of the IRS office in question IS to look at political groups. Specifically, to weed out purely political groups that promote or oppose candidates from obtaining a tax status that's supposed to go to nonprofit educational organizations. The crime of the IRS agents in Cincinnati? They were doing their job.
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not at all - I would vote for ( him ) if he has the b@lls to divorce slick willie, bur he is just in it for the political gain, nothing more.
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Poor Schmahl, a poor loser is the worst kind, especially when you meddle in another families business....

I'd say you should be ashamed,...
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Quit the hypocrisy for a second and either criticize Sugar Cain & Moon base Newt, or STFU !!!

Funny, Cain paid off a woman he harassed, Bill had a simple affair....

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Smart Liberal wrote:
The only scandal here is that this is being reported as if the IRS did something wrong in injecting itself into politics. The law requires that the IRS inject itself into politics. Don't like it? Change the law. Don't attack the people trying to enforce it.
Bullshit.

If it were a Republican President and the IRS did this same thing but to Liberal Groups, including giving lists of donors and amounts contributed to their political opponents, you would be OK with that?

As I said, bullshit.

BTW, you will never be a smart liberal. You will always be stupid little Dumbo.
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Smart Liberal wrote:
he media has gone into high boil over the actions of a handful of IRS employees in Cincinnati. The IRS is deliberately targeting political groups! They even admit it! Can impeachment be far behind?
Next step, tie this to Benghazi and any other fact-free psuedo-scandal close at hand. Step two, moan about the general incompetence and corruption of government. Step three, demand scalps but not before there's time to spin out a good half dozen Sunday talk show seasons on Taxgazi, or Tax and Furious, or whatever brand the pundits decide has the most snap.
You know this one must be the real deal, because every news channel, newspaper, local anchor, radio nutjob, and water cooler wag is singing the same tune. Hell, even Jon Stewart is on step two.
There's just one minor problem: the exact purpose of the IRS office in question IS to look at political groups. Specifically, to weed out purely political groups that promote or oppose candidates from obtaining a tax status that's supposed to go to nonprofit educational organizations. The crime of the IRS agents in Cincinnati? They were doing their job.
But what about the specific targeting of Tea Party groups? Doesn't that show that this was all just a witch hunt against groups with right wing ideologies? Uh, no. It came up at exactly the time the office was getting flooded with a bunch of hastily prepared applications spewing from the Tea Party's messy birth. The edict went out expressly because the office was being flooded with a bunch of hastily prepared, clearly political, applications all using very similar terms. In fact, the entire group of IRS employees in question was created to address the influx of possibly political applications. If the office had suddenly received a hundred applications for exempt status all claiming to be from the Sierra Club, wouldn't you want them to pay a bit more attention? I would. What if those applications had all been from groups using Muslim Brotherhood in their titles? Would the same pundits still be on the air screaming about the IRS getting all political?
Behind all this are the staggering numbers. Out of thousands of applications, only a handful were rejected. You know what happens while a nonprofit organization is waiting to get this approval? They get to operate as a nonprofit organization. The harm caused by this action is exactly zero, and exactly no groups have sued the IRS in response to their rejection. They simply amended the application and tried again.
These are agents doing their job. They responded to an unusual influx of groups with political language in their applications all going after a designation that excludes groups that carry out many political actions.
The only scandal here is that this is being reported as if the IRS did something wrong in injecting itself into politics. The law requires that the IRS inject itself into politics. Don't like it? Change the law. Don't attack the people trying to enforce it.
So that they only targeted conservative groups (not just Tea Party groups), is a non-issue to you?

Of course Obama disagrees with you as he called their actions outrageous.
Bridgework

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Smart Liberal wrote:
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Bullshit.
If it were a Republican President and the IRS did this same thing but to Liberal Groups, including giving lists of donors and amounts contributed to their political opponents, you would be OK with that?
As I said, bullshit.
BTW, you will never be a smart liberal. You will always be stupid little Dumbo.
The left is trying to say that the same thing happened under Bush because 5 left leaning organizations were audited, over 8 years, after they publicly criticized Bush.

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Bridgework wrote:
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So that they only targeted conservative groups (not just Tea Party groups), is a non-issue to you?
Of course Obama disagrees with you as he called their actions outrageous.
Dumbo Jr, grow a pair and come up with your own name.

I don't care if it was Conservative, Liberal, or Communist groups.

The IRS is not to target specific groups and deny them the same advantage that their opposition groups had based upon political beliefs. In addition, the IRS gave donor lists and amounts donated to political opponents of the Tea Party groups.

And don't say that this was done independently of any political prodding by the Dems. If you say that, you are even dumber than you pretend to be.

Bullshit.

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Bridgework wrote:
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The left is trying to say that the same thing happened under Bush because 5 left leaning organizations were audited, over 8 years, after they publicly criticized Bush.
Bridge, is that really you? If so, my apologies to Dumbo Jr on the prior response.

There is no comparison. There is a difference between a sporadic audit and a targeted attack to penalize a specific political philosophy.

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Smart Liberal wrote:
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Bridge, is that really you? If so, my apologies to Dumbo Jr on the prior response.
There is no comparison. There is a difference between a sporadic audit and a targeted attack to penalize a specific political philosophy.
Which, it appears, is exactly what happened here.
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President Obama should fire the Bush appointed IRS Commissioner! I just don't see why Obama keep trusting them old worn out republicans in our administration.
like that Bengazi BS,the blame should go to ex Gen.Peturaus the CIA director who was more concern about reading and sending love and sex e-mails and leaving the Execitive and the SOS holding the bag so he resigns.
BTW: I support the right of the IRS to be critical of the republican pac's,tax exempt status.
If they aren't a charity or a church then pay your taxes like the working people.
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Breaking News Obama has fired the acting commissioner of the IRS....

Yes We Can...now fire some more opf these infilterators.
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Nope, it just seems the press is dredging up the conservative failures as they float to the surface. You realize the head of the IRS at the time these incidents occurred was a Bush appointee, don't you. Once a government culture is tainted it takes decades to bring it back in line. If you're a true American you should be proud of the corruption coming to the surface, the economic collapse, and all the perks afforded corporations and the rich.
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redeemer wrote:
Breaking News Obama has fired the acting commissioner of the IRS....
Yes We Can...now fire some more opf these infilterators.
So what.... He threw the idiot under the bus.....and he will find ANOTHER JOB somewhere within the gubmint, so he can still collect a BIG FAT PENSION. Obama is only mad because the story broke...and
someone got caught, and now he has to deal with it.

Soon, we will hear about the DHS shenanigans, with the HUGE ammo and armored car buys and other NONSENSE.

I don't believe for a SECOND that he didn't know about it a LONG TIME AGO. This is the "Chicago Way".
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You don't "believe" planes fly, either...

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redeemer

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digger wrote:
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So what.... He threw the idiot under the bus.....and he will find ANOTHER JOB somewhere within the gubmint, so he can still collect a BIG FAT PENSION. Obama is only mad because the story broke...and
someone got caught, and now he has to deal with it.
Soon, we will hear about the DHS shenanigans, with the HUGE ammo and armored car buys and other NONSENSE.
I don't believe for a SECOND that he didn't know about it a LONG TIME AGO. This is the "Chicago Way".
yean he probably get a tax advisor job at one of the GOP
super pacs for during an half-ass job of trying to bring down the Obama admin.
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redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>yean he probably get a tax advisor job at one of the GOP
super pacs for during an half-ass job of trying to bring down the Obama admin.
Wha????

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