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redeemer

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LIbEralS wrote:
Obama finally admits that the government isn't the answer to everything - brings in Microsoft exec to take over.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/17/technology/ob...
That was a smart decision.

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LIbEralS wrote:
Obama finally admits that the government isn't the answer to everything - brings in Microsoft exec to take over.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/17/technology/ob...
This is like putting vanilla frosting on a turd. They might be able to salvage something with the web site, but what lies underneath is just as sh***y as can be.

Any Lib that thinks fixing the web site is going to fix Obamacare is a genuine Jim Jones Kool Aid drinker.
redeemer

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IrishMN wrote:
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This is like putting vanilla frosting on a turd. They might be able to salvage something with the web site, but what lies underneath is just as sh***y as can be.
Any Lib that thinks fixing the web site is going to fix Obamacare is a genuine Jim Jones Kool Aid drinker.
no this was a muslim decision, has anyone seen barry soetoro in church ?
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I heard redeemers employer switched to Obamacare and when he asked his doctor to re-fill his Viagra script the doc gave him a popsicle stick and some duct tape.
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Paid My Dues wrote:
I heard redeemers employer switched to Obamacare and when he asked his doctor to re-fill his Viagra script the doc gave him a popsicle stick and some duct tape.
Which redeemer are you talking about?

Standup comedy is not a talent of yours,plus I don't need Viagra my wife knows my tender spots.
LIbEralS

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redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> Anything you say! sure Obamacare is failing do you anything else to say? besides the sky is falling?
Obama Administration Secretly Extends Health Care Enrollment Deadline:

Nothing really new here. He just does what he wants without ANY reguard to the actual law.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health...
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<quoted text> Anything you say! sure Obamacare is failing do you anything else to say? besides the sky is falling?
The sky is falling when government takes over private industry and a large percentage of the people don't give a damn. Even the welfare types are going to be disappointed in the long-run.
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redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> Your the second biggest liar on this forum only second to IrishMN/SL .
Why Obamacare surprise?

I canít be the only person in America who asked their doctors what was coming down the road.

I've been biting my tongue on the subject for months, but since President Obama has invited all kinds of people, from bartenders to radio talk-show hosts, to spread the word about Obamacare, I'd like to join the chorus.

He was speaking at a "youth summit," so maybe I'm presumptuous. I don't have a radio audience and can't host a bar-room happy hour ó and I will definitely sound a little off-key. But while the president, in a disingenuous attempt at "rebranding" Obamacare, wants people to put lipstick on a pig, I'd prefer to talk about how Americans are coming to terms with the unadorned pig.

More to the point, I'd like to ask some questions:

Why are we being flooded with stories of people expressing surprise about the costs associated with Obamacare enrollment or purchasing individual plans that conform to the law's requirements? Don't tell me it's because you believed Obama when he made all those promises about blah, blah, blah. If you believed anything he said, shame on you.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12...
Don Joe

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The quote for next year at my company is a 30% reduction in health care insurance. What will we do having to keep even more of my own money?

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Don Joe wrote:
The quote for next year at my company is a 30% reduction in health care insurance. What will we do having to keep even more of my own money?
If it is an apples to apples comparison, I don't think you are not being truthful.

If that is actual, I congratulate you because the premium increases at our companies range from a low of +48% to a high of almost double the prior year's premiums.
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Just thought I'd grab it.

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It is 2014. Obamacare is here.

How many thousands of new government employees are required to implement this piece of sh*t called Obamacare?

How many billions of dollars are being spent on the kickoff of this piece of sh*t called Obamacare?

The stated goal of Obamacare was to provide "affordable health insurance" for the 30 million who were uninsured.

How's it working out for everyone?
How many people signed up?
How many lost their policies?

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IrishMN wrote:
It is 2014. Obamacare is here.
How many thousands of new government employees are required to implement this piece of sh*t called Obamacare?
How many billions of dollars are being spent on the kickoff of this piece of sh*t called Obamacare?
The stated goal of Obamacare was to provide "affordable health insurance" for the 30 million who were uninsured.
How's it working out for everyone?
How many people signed up?
How many lost their policies?
Last count, about 2 million had signed on.
Last count, well over 4 million had lost their insurance coverage because it did not fit the
Obamacare definition of being good enough.
They should have some "splainin" to do but no one seems to want to hold anyone else accountable.

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IrishMN wrote:
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If it is an apples to apples comparison, I don't think you are not being truthful.
If that is actual, I congratulate you because the premium increases at our companies range from a low of +48% to a high of almost double the prior year's premiums.
I am reporting what my company received from its insurance company.

You may be surprised I oppose Obama care. Prior to the ACA, between myself and my company, for insurance for myself and my wife was about $2000 a month. It is not a platinum plan, as they pay for almost nothing. I read the fine print and they claimed they could deny any and all claims, even retroactively,

Health insurance is not really insurance, it is a scam. Forcing the public to give even more money to the insurance companies plays right into their plan to rip off the public even more. There may be a few additional regulations on those companies while they accept billions more in cash, which gives them the power to remove those regulations in the next few years.

No, this plan, while temporarily better than what we had, will be worse in the next few years. The only real answer is do what the rest of the civilized world is doing, single payer, universal coverage. You can't have the profit motive in health care, without robbing people blind (or robbing blind people.)

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Don Joe wrote:
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I am reporting what my company received from its insurance company.
You may be surprised I oppose Obama care. Prior to the ACA, between myself and my company, for insurance for myself and my wife was about $2000 a month. It is not a platinum plan, as they pay for almost nothing. I read the fine print and they claimed they could deny any and all claims, even retroactively,
Health insurance is not really insurance, it is a scam. Forcing the public to give even more money to the insurance companies plays right into their plan to rip off the public even more. There may be a few additional regulations on those companies while they accept billions more in cash, which gives them the power to remove those regulations in the next few years.
No, this plan, while temporarily better than what we had, will be worse in the next few years. The only real answer is do what the rest of the civilized world is doing, single payer, universal coverage. You can't have the profit motive in health care, without robbing people blind (or robbing blind people.)
You are so wrong.

At the most basic level, the reason that health insurance is so expensive is that the consumer has no clue what the true costs are. If you had to pay the cost of your doctor visit every time you went in for the sniffles, you would think twice before heading to the doctor's office. Or you would at least shop around for a less expensive office call.

Another reason is that there is no true competition in the health insurance industry. It is a quasi-monopoly overseen by people who have no reason to push for competitive pricing. The legislators pass laws that have been written by insurance industry lobbyists whose goal is to limit competition to a few big companies that pay for the lobbyist. It is an incestuous relationship where the consumer gets screwed.

Insurance today is pre-paid health care, not insurance.

If it were opened up so that you could buy across state lines, buy only the coverage you wanted to buy, and get the govt the hell out of the private marketplace, it would again be a good value for the consumer. Just like any competitive market, prices would decline due to competition.

BTW, going to single payer or universal coverage will cause the current mess to be referred to as "the good old days".

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Hey Don Joe, if your rates went down 30%, you are the exception to the rule.

A more typical experience would be that of our little group of companies. Everyone now is paying a minimum of 48% more for their health insurance. Some are paying almost double what they paid last month.

It is well documented that costs are up significantly for a huge majority of policy holders due to Obamacare.
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IrishMN wrote:
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You are so wrong.
At the most basic level, the reason that health insurance is so expensive is that the consumer has no clue what the true costs are. If you had to pay the cost of your doctor visit every time you went in for the sniffles, you would think twice before heading to the doctor's office. Or you would at least shop around for a less expensive office call.
Another reason is that there is no true competition in the health insurance industry. It is a quasi-monopoly overseen by people who have no reason to push for competitive pricing. The legislators pass laws that have been written by insurance industry lobbyists whose goal is to limit competition to a few big companies that pay for the lobbyist. It is an incestuous relationship where the consumer gets screwed.
Insurance today is pre-paid health care, not insurance.
If it were opened up so that you could buy across state lines, buy only the coverage you wanted to buy, and get the govt the hell out of the private marketplace, it would again be a good value for the consumer. Just like any competitive market, prices would decline due to competition.
BTW, going to single payer or universal coverage will cause the current mess to be referred to as "the good old days".
You claim I am so wrong because people who never go to the doctor are going too often??? What is that supposed to mean? Are you requesting that those who are not extremely wealthy should never be allowed to obtain any health care at all?

How can it be pre-paid, when the insurance companies refuse to pay anything? If I ever got anything close to what I paid in, it would be unbelievable.

The reason it is so expensive is because there is a profit motive for health care. For example, if you run a company, your shareholders want as much profit as possible. If you leave money on the table, they can and will sue you. So if you sell aspirin to heart patients, and some guy needs one to stay alive, what do you charge. Of course you change what he is willing to pay. Since his life depends on it, he will pay everything he has and everything he can borrow, otherwise he dies. If you don't charge him that much, you get sued by the shareholders. You don't care what the clinic down the street charges, because this guy will be dead before he can get there.

If you opened up the insurance monopoly to allow people to buy across state lines, then you get bigger monopolies, who can charge even more. Why would you want even higher prices?

As to the "good old days;" that would be when insurance companies could still billions of dollars from the public, without having to provide any service at all. Good for the crooks, not good for the public.
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IrishMN wrote:
Hey Don Joe, if your rates went down 30%, you are the exception to the rule.
A more typical experience would be that of our little group of companies. Everyone now is paying a minimum of 48% more for their health insurance. Some are paying almost double what they paid last month.
It is well documented that costs are up significantly for a huge majority of policy holders due to Obamacare.
I doubt it. I don't believe that your report is typical. If it is, provide some evidence that shows it is typical. I don't want some Fox News report, designed to mislead.

If it is so well documented, show that documentation.

Remember, I oppose Obamacare and just giving billions of dollars to health insurance executives for nothing in return. Yes, the lobbyists for the insurance companies accepted the slightest bit of regulation, to force everyone to buy, but they have already begun the lobby effort to repeal those regulations, so they will never have to pay out anything. It will be all profit to them, at a fantastic cost to working people.

The real question is why doesn't the majority of corporations lobby for single payer. It would immediately put billions in their pockets, as they would no longer pay for employee health insurance? The health of the employees would improve, and productivity would go up?
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Don Joe wrote:
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You claim I am so wrong because people who never go to the doctor are going too often??? What is that supposed to mean? Are you requesting that those who are not extremely wealthy should never be allowed to obtain any health care at all?
How can it be pre-paid, when the insurance companies refuse to pay anything? If I ever got anything close to what I paid in, it would be unbelievable.
The reason it is so expensive is because there is a profit motive for health care. For example, if you run a company, your shareholders want as much profit as possible. If you leave money on the table, they can and will sue you. So if you sell aspirin to heart patients, and some guy needs one to stay alive, what do you charge. Of course you change what he is willing to pay. Since his life depends on it, he will pay everything he has and everything he can borrow, otherwise he dies. If you don't charge him that much, you get sued by the shareholders. You don't care what the clinic down the street charges, because this guy will be dead before he can get there.
If you opened up the insurance monopoly to allow people to buy across state lines, then you get bigger monopolies, who can charge even more. Why would you want even higher prices?
As to the "good old days;" that would be when insurance companies could still billions of dollars from the public, without having to provide any service at all. Good for the crooks, not good for the public.
I'd say join a church that doesn't believe in health care, Mooslim.

Then when you need healthcare go to a doctor that accepts cash and completely avoid the overhead of healthcare insurance, Obamacare.

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But you MUST pay for health insurance... or play the fine.
And since that tax is managed by the IRS, if you refuse to pay, they are fully authorized to garnish wages, freeze assets, or even lock you up. Now isn't that pleasant? Buy insurance, pay the fine, or even end up in debtors prison.

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