the NON affordable care act
Rattler

Surprise, AZ

#31 Nov 26, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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Then to quote the likes of George Will and Rupert Murdoch, so they can try to tell us what we should be thinking. No thanks, I will think for myself.
What? Without Obamas talking points? Give it up, that's too tough a load for any ignorant sheeple.

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Busybody

Hopkins, MN

#32 Nov 26, 2013
I'll be getting better coverage at a lower cost. Don't know what all the fuss is about.....oh wait, you don't like Obama. Never mind.

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Rattler

Surprise, AZ

#35 Nov 26, 2013
Busybody wrote:
I'll be getting better coverage at a lower cost. Don't know what all the fuss is about.....oh wait, you don't like Obama. Never mind.
Show me the lower costs! Who will pay for the bills? Yeah, I know. From the rich. It's quite an assumption that the rich and powerful will permit anyone to take their riches away from them. In this administration, anything can be bought with the application of the proper amount of cash.
Rattler

Surprise, AZ

#36 Nov 26, 2013
As the advertisers would say,"But Wait, there's more. Under a dictatorship, which appears to be evolving, anything is possible, and Obamacare will succeed, at least temporarily. It is done in Russia, China,and Cuba

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#37 Nov 26, 2013
Busybody wrote:
I'll be getting better coverage at a lower cost. Don't know what all the fuss is about.....oh wait, you don't like Obama. Never mind.
Wow. Ignorance is alive and well in your little brain.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#39 Nov 26, 2013
a liberal mess wrote:
Less than one in five Americans say their families will be better off under the new health care law, according to a new poll.
But a CNN/ORC International survey released Tuesday morning also indicates a majority say the Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, will help some people, with 37% saying the law, which is gradually starting to kick in, won't help anyone.
According to the poll, four in 10 say the new law will make their families worse off, while 41% believe it will have no effect.
Seventeen percent think the measure will be a good thing for themselves or their families.
The poll's release comes on the same day as a key element of the health care law takes effect, as Americans without insurance can begin enrolling in state insurance exchanges.
And it comes hours after the shutdown of the federal government courtesy of a bitter partisan battle over the new health care law.
According to the poll, 36% say they won't benefit from the new law but other families will. If you add to that the 17% who believe Obamacare will help them personally, the survey indicates that most Americans see some good coming from it. Some 37% say no one in the country will benefit from the measure.
As the exchanges open for business, 52% say the health insurance system created by Obamacare is a disaster waiting to happen, with 45% saying the system will eventually work.
The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International September 27-29, with 803 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Not only families. Some businesses are getting hit. At least one with a double whammy.
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http://nypost.com/2013/11/25/obamacare-hits-d... Eye doctor Patricia McLaughlin has been blindsided by ObamaCare — twice.
..The Upper East Side ophthalmologist just got word that Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield has excluded her from its network of doctors to serve patients enrolled in its new individual and small-group medical policies under the Affordable Care Act.
..That means her patients who join the new policies will have to pay entirely out of pocket if they want to keep her as their doctor.
..It was the second ObamaCare shock for the doc, who had previously gotten a letter from Empire Blue Cross telling her it had canceled its coverage of her own four-person office to comply with ObamaCare. She expects to pay more for a new policy now.
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Some folks are used to getting overtime at various times of the year, including this time of the year. But due to ob*stardcare, places are having to cut hours. And thus, they are having troubles dealing with the normal stuff that comes up for each section of the year. Like currently xmas.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/... US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate.
Trend sparks fears among low-paid workers that they will be hit twice: by having earnings cut and paying more for healthcare.
digger

Chicago, IL

#40 Nov 26, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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Not only families. Some businesses are getting hit. At least one with a double whammy.
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http://nypost.com/2013/11/25/obamacare-hits-d... Eye doctor Patricia McLaughlin has been blindsided by ObamaCare — twice.
..The Upper East Side ophthalmologist just got word that Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield has excluded her from its network of doctors to serve patients enrolled in its new individual and small-group medical policies under the Affordable Care Act.
..That means her patients who join the new policies will have to pay entirely out of pocket if they want to keep her as their doctor.
..It was the second ObamaCare shock for the doc, who had previously gotten a letter from Empire Blue Cross telling her it had canceled its coverage of her own four-person office to comply with ObamaCare. She expects to pay more for a new policy now.
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Some folks are used to getting overtime at various times of the year, including this time of the year. But due to ob*stardcare, places are having to cut hours. And thus, they are having troubles dealing with the normal stuff that comes up for each section of the year. Like currently xmas.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/... US employers slashing worker hours to avoid Obamacare insurance mandate.
Trend sparks fears among low-paid workers that they will be hit twice: by having earnings cut and paying more for healthcare.
So let's get this straight: a private insurer offers differing tiers of coverage based on the cost providers charge, and ytou somehow feel that is wrong???

And by the way, your post is so full of lies that I don't even know where to start.

1) Average number of hours for US workers has RISEN, not fallen.
2) Most minimum wage employees had NO insurance until Obamacare, now they have an affordable option.
3) The Democrats are fighting to RAISE the minimum wage.
4) The doctors office's insurance for employees was likely cancelled because the plan was so poor that it didn't meet new standards.
5) The Guardian? Really? They are less credible than the National Enquirer.
6) You actually are stupid enough to stand up for the party that says that autism isn't a disease?

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#41 Nov 26, 2013
digger wrote:
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So let's get this straight: a private insurer offers differing tiers of coverage based on the cost providers charge, and ytou somehow feel that is wrong???
And by the way, your post is so full of lies that I don't even know where to start.
1) Average number of hours for US workers has RISEN, not fallen.
2) Most minimum wage employees had NO insurance until Obamacare, now they have an affordable option.
3) The Democrats are fighting to RAISE the minimum wage.
4) The doctors office's insurance for employees was likely cancelled because the plan was so poor that it didn't meet new standards.
5) The Guardian? Really? They are less credible than the National Enquirer.
6) You actually are stupid enough to stand up for the party that says that autism isn't a disease?
You are as ignorant as the day is long. Proof: You make asinine claims and NEVER document your sources.

"1) Average number of hours for US workers has RISEN, not fallen."

Ever heard of Local 653? It is the grocer's union. Thousands of workers have had their hours cut to less than 28 hours per week. this was done by design. Reason...Obamacare. Call to either the St Paul or Mpls Local office and ask what has happened to their membership in the last 18 months.

"2) Most minimum wage employees had NO insurance until Obamacare, now they have an affordable option."

The entire health care debacle is the result of government interference. And Obamacare is the Democrat's "fix" for the problems they created. It is an abysmal failure and will continue as such for the duration.

"3) The Democrats are fighting to RAISE the minimum wage."

It is not the business of government to tell private sector employee how much to pay or not pay any employee. That is the responsibility of the employee. If you don't like how much you make, go get a better job.

"4) The doctors office's insurance for employees was likely cancelled because the plan was so poor that it didn't meet new standards."

"If you like your health care, you can keep your health care." Bullsh*t. Obama is nothing but a lying pile of horse squeeze.

5 & 6 are not worth commenting on. You are an ignorant little dweeb who wants others to pay for your poor performance in the real world.

Screw you and the horse you rode in on.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#42 Nov 27, 2013
Rattler wrote:
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What? Without Obamas talking points? Give it up, that's too tough a load for any ignorant sheeple.
I don't support Obama. There are a great many reasons to not like Obama. The problem is the GOP doesn't have a clue what those reasons are. They squawk and squawk about nonsense and fantasies, but pay no attention to reality.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#43 Nov 27, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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I don't support Obama. There are a great many reasons to not like Obama. The problem is the GOP doesn't have a clue what those reasons are. They squawk and squawk about nonsense and fantasies, but pay no attention to reality.
Well, I would be interested in your reasons for not liking Obama.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#45 Nov 27, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
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You are as ignorant as the day is long. Proof: You make asinine claims and NEVER document your sources.
"1) Average number of hours for US workers has RISEN, not fallen."
Ever heard of Local 653? It is the grocer's union. Thousands of workers have had their hours cut to less than 28 hours per week. this was done by design. Reason...Obamacare. Call to either the St Paul or Mpls Local office and ask what has happened to their membership in the last 18 months.
"2) Most minimum wage employees had NO insurance until Obamacare, now they have an affordable option."
The entire health care debacle is the result of government interference. And Obamacare is the Democrat's "fix" for the problems they created. It is an abysmal failure and will continue as such for the duration.
"3) The Democrats are fighting to RAISE the minimum wage."
It is not the business of government to tell private sector employee how much to pay or not pay any employee. That is the responsibility of the employee. If you don't like how much you make, go get a better job.
"4) The doctors office's insurance for employees was likely cancelled because the plan was so poor that it didn't meet new standards."
"If you like your health care, you can keep your health care." Bullsh*t. Obama is nothing but a lying pile of horse squeeze.
5 & 6 are not worth commenting on. You are an ignorant little dweeb who wants others to pay for your poor performance in the real world.
Screw you and the horse you rode in on.
That one forgets that the words following the links I posted are not mine. But are from the links they came from.
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I see it at home and hear it also from my family and friends how THEIR hours are being cut. And hear that they might lose their insurance because the company they work for may have to drop it.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#46 Nov 27, 2013
OBAMA's legacy - the 29 hour work week, supplemented with food stamps and Obama phones.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#48 Nov 27, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
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Well, I would be interested in your reasons for not liking Obama.
Ok, just off the top, Obama refused to even investigate the many many crimes of the bush administration. Obama continued bush's wars. Every time Obama negotiates with the GOP, he gives away everything and gets nothing for his base. Obama not only didn't get rid of bush's Pat Act, he extended it. Obama didn't go for universal single payer, he went for the Heritage Foundation's ACA and had those asking that single payer be considered arrested. Obama is pushing for the TPP. Obama continues to support the rich, and has done very little to reverse the attacks on the middle class. Instead of investing in America to rebuild the economy after the bush disaster, Obama keeps bush's policies in place to guarantee the economy cannot recover. Obama appoints right wing zealots to his cabinet and to many high level positions, like Hagel being in charge of the military. Obama has done nothing to restore democracy, the far right wing ballot counting machines are still in place destroying our chance to get our votes counted. Obama has done nothing to control the damage done from other nations manipulating the currency so we cannot compete.

Of course this is a partial list, and there are a great many more items that should be considered. While this means there are many problems with Obama, this does not mean there are republican candidates who are better. Romney was a flat out psychopath. Obama does many horrible things to our nation, but he does them slower than the GOP would have them done.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#49 Nov 27, 2013
WOW! The world through your eyes sure is different than mine.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#50 Nov 27, 2013
Who would be a better replacement for Obama?
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#52 Nov 27, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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Ok, just off the top, Obama refused to even investigate the many many crimes of the bush administration. Obama continued bush's wars. Every time Obama negotiates with the GOP, he gives away everything and gets nothing for his base. Obama not only didn't get rid of bush's Pat Act, he extended it. Obama didn't go for universal single payer, he went for the Heritage Foundation's ACA and had those asking that single payer be considered arrested. Obama is pushing for the TPP. Obama continues to support the rich, and has done very little to reverse the attacks on the middle class. Instead of investing in America to rebuild the economy after the bush disaster, Obama keeps bush's policies in place to guarantee the economy cannot recover. Obama appoints right wing zealots to his cabinet and to many high level positions, like Hagel being in charge of the military. Obama has done nothing to restore democracy, the far right wing ballot counting machines are still in place destroying our chance to get our votes counted. Obama has done nothing to control the damage done from other nations manipulating the currency so we cannot compete.
Of course this is a partial list, and there are a great many more items that should be considered. While this means there are many problems with Obama, this does not mean there are republican candidates who are better. Romney was a flat out psychopath. Obama does many horrible things to our nation, but he does them slower than the GOP would have them done.
O well whatta ya gonna do?

Karl Marx and Mao have left this astral plane, and not enough Amerikan Children have yet been indoctrinated into your Feelings Of Victimhood.

Perhaps you will live long enough to have your petty issues addressed before the Impeachment Trials begin for the Current Criminals Occupying the Executive Branch.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#53 Nov 27, 2013
Consistent wrote:
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O well whatta ya gonna do?
Karl Marx and Mao have left this astral plane, and not enough Amerikan Children have yet been indoctrinated into your Feelings Of Victimhood.
Perhaps you will live long enough to have your petty issues addressed before the Impeachment Trials begin for the Current Criminals Occupying the Executive Branch.
Oh darn. I forgot. We are supposed to just quite looking at what is going on around us, turn on Fox News and try to believe everything they say. And when they contradict themselves, remember the new story today and forget yesterday's comments.

I see you did reference your heroes, two of the three M boys; Marx, Mao and Murdoch.

So was the Amerikan reference, putting a K where a "c" should have gone, in reference to your meetings this weekend with the KKK? Are we supposed to believe them as well? Should it make us feel better to know that "those" other people will never be as good as "we" are?
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#54 Nov 27, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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Oh darn. I forgot. We are supposed to just quite looking at what is going on around us, turn on Fox News and try to believe everything they say. And when they contradict themselves, remember the new story today and forget yesterday's comments.
I see you did reference your heroes, two of the three M boys; Marx, Mao and Murdoch.
So was the Amerikan reference, putting a K where a "c" should have gone, in reference to your meetings this weekend with the KKK? Are we supposed to believe them as well? Should it make us feel better to know that "those" other people will never be as good as "we" are?
Donny,

Why can't you create a reply that is sorta related to the post you claim that you are responding too?

OOOOOO Fox News!

Ya got me now.

Tossed in KKK too, ouch!

You kool aid sippers need to be relegated back to the back of the Bus, and be content to eat the crumbs that Americans choose to give you.

You are not smart enough to have a say in the functioning of the Republic,(as 5 years of your Messiah Worship has proven).
here we go

Saint Paul, MN

#55 Nov 27, 2013
the liberal left wing nut jobs blame President Bush, try to point the hate towards your dictator barry soetoro. Let the liberals have this mess, the cost will be all the elections to come, remember not ONE republican voted for the massive waste of tax payer money, the house - senate and white house will be controlled by REPUBLICANS.

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Don Joe wrote:
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?? Are you insane??? The democrats all fell in line for bush's bull. Perhaps you have forgotten the dems wouldn't even investigate the bush criminality even when he openly admitted it. Perhaps you forgot bush lied to congress over and over, and the dems wouldn't even stop the most egregious bills bush wanted, like the Pat Act. In fact the dems fell in line so well, that even after bush left office they kept most of his policies, like extending the Pat Act.
I do remember Pelosi, before she even became speaker of the house, saying oversight of bush was off the table. He could do anything he wanted and there would never be any investigation at all.
All we heard when bush was president was that elections had consequences and he could do whatever he wanted. And he pretty much did. He got his needless wars. He decimated the middle class. He transferred trillions of dollars from the people to a few rich families.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#56 Nov 27, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
WOW! The world through your eyes sure is different than mine.
Apparently so. Each person gets his/her own point of view and the combination of those points of view, gives a broader perspective than a single view alone.

The problem is that we are being bombarded by propaganda telling us lies and making up fantasies so that it becomes harder and harder to know truth from fiction. The Main Stream Media propagates so many lies it is hard to even keep track. The words liberal and conservative have been so attacked that they mean completely different things to different people. It becomes hard to even discuss issues; as there are so many personal attacks.

I suggest talking with friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers to find out what is going on in their lives and compare that to what we are being told is going on. Additionally, I suggest that whenever we have to get information from the media (hard to avoid) at least look for logical consistency. With things like the Pat Act, the USSC rulings in 2000 placing bush in office and the 911 commission, actually read it. In 2000 Scalia's opinion was directly self-contradictory, the Pat Act clearly removes all our rights, and the 911 commission mission statement said it would not investigate what happened, only how to prevent it from happening again. Of course how can anyone investigate how to keep something from happening again without looking at what happened?

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