Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes

Since: Apr 12

Hugo, MN

#22 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhh, a little 'deflect and divert' action, I see.
So your answer is to basically acknowledge that Romney told 27 lies, but try to justify them by posting 4 alleged lies by Obama?
That's pretty much admitting defeat on your part, but whatever makes you happy....
Awww, does the copy/paste routine bother you when its anti-Messiah?

Smart Liberal

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#23 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
I am shocked you could not find a DailyKos blog that said 27,000 myths. You need to dig deeper into that sh*t hole of a fiction blog and find something better to cut & paste.

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Oct 5, 2012
13)“I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.

14)“What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.” Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2)“premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.

15)“Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose — and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.” The Medicare program changes for everyone, even people who choose to remain in the traditional fee-for-service. Rather than relying on a guaranteed benefit, all beneficiaries will receive a premium support credit of $7,500 on average in 2023 to purchase coverage in traditional Medicare or private insurance. But that amount will only grow at a rate of GDP plus 1.5 percentage points and will not keep up with health care costs. So while the federal government will spend less on the program, seniors will pay more in premiums.

16)“And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or — or Senator Wyden, who’s the co-author of the bill with — with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill — Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.” Romney has rejected the Ryan/Wyden approach — which does not cap the growth of the “premium support” subsidy. Bill Clinton and his commission also voted down these changes to the Medicare program.

17)“Well, I would repeal and replace it. We’re not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.” Romney has previously called for full repeal of Dodd-Frank, a law whose specific purpose is to regulate banks. MF Global’s use of customer funds to pay for its own trading losses is just one bit of proof that the financial industry isn’t responsible enough to protect consumers without regulation.

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#25 Oct 5, 2012
18)“But I wouldn’t designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. That’s one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank… We need to get rid of that provision because it’s killing regional and small banks. They’re getting hurt.” The law merely says that the biggest, systemically risky banks need to abide by more stringent regulations. If those banks fail, they will be unwound by a new process in the Dodd-Frank law that protects taxpayers from having to pony up for a bailout.

19)“And, unfortunately, when — when — when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost.” Obamacare will actually provide millions of families with tax credits to make health care more affordable.

20)“[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria”(Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.

21)“Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering. According to CBO director Douglas Elmendorf, 3 million or less people would leave employer-sponsored health insurance coverage as a result of the law.

22)“I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” Romney raised fees, but he can claim that he didn’t increase taxes because the federal government funded almost half of his reforms.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#26 Oct 5, 2012
When you Collectivist Victims get done Baahahayahaing as the Sheeple you are, here is a link to a video of your Messiah and his Open and Honest approach to life.

GoBarry 2012!

http://obamalies.net/four-years-of-lies-in-on...

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#27 Oct 5, 2012
23)“It’s why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had — had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.” The Affordable Care Act incorporates many Republican ideas including the individual mandate, state-based health care exchanges, high-risk insurance pools, and modified provisions that allow insurers to sell policies in multiple states. Republicans never offered a united bipartisan alternative.

24)“Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.

25)“In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but that’s about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives.” The $90 billion was given out over several years and included loans, loan guarantees and grants through the American Recovery Act.$23 billion of the $90 billion “went toward “clean coal,” energy-efficiency upgrades, updating the electricity grid and environmental clean-up, largely for old nuclear weapons sites.”

26)“I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” As of late last year, only “three out of the 26 recipients of 1705 loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, with losses estimated at just over $600 million.”

27)“If the president’s reelected you’ll see dramatic cuts to our military.” Romney is referring to the sequester, which his running mate Paul Ryan supported. Obama opposes the military cuts and has asked Congress to formulate a balanced approach that would avoid the trigger.

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#28 Oct 5, 2012
Consistent wrote:
When you Collectivist Victims get done Baahahayahaing as the Sheeple you are, here is a link to a video of your Messiah and his Open and Honest approach to life.
GoBarry 2012!
http://obamalies.net/four-years-of-lies-in-on...
You didn't answer my question.

I'm really curious what your response will be on November 7th after Obama has been reelected.

More 'sheeple' and 'Baahahayahaing' and Phillips vodKa (with a 'K')?

Since: Apr 12

Hugo, MN

#29 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
13)“I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.
14)“What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.” Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2)“premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.
15)“Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose — and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.” The Medicare program changes for everyone, even people who choose to remain in the traditional fee-for-service. Rather than relying on a guaranteed benefit, all beneficiaries will receive a premium support credit of $7,500 on average in 2023 to purchase coverage in traditional Medicare or private insurance. But that amount will only grow at a rate of GDP plus 1.5 percentage points and will not keep up with health care costs. So while the federal government will spend less on the program, seniors will pay more in premiums.
16)“And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or — or Senator Wyden, who’s the co-author of the bill with — with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill — Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.” Romney has rejected the Ryan/Wyden approach — which does not cap the growth of the “premium support” subsidy. Bill Clinton and his commission also voted down these changes to the Medicare program.
17)“Well, I would repeal and replace it. We’re not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.” Romney has previously called for full repeal of Dodd-Frank, a law whose specific purpose is to regulate banks. MF Global’s use of customer funds to pay for its own trading losses is just one bit of proof that the financial industry isn’t responsible enough to protect consumers without regulation.
Ahhh, a little 'deflect and divert' action, I see.
So your answer is to basically acknowledge that Obama told lies, but try to justify them by posting 27 alleged lies by Romney?
That's pretty much admitting defeat on your part, but whatever makes you happy....
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#30 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't answer my question.
I'm really curious what your response will be on November 7th after Obama has been reelected.
More 'sheeple' and 'Baahahayahaing' and Phillips vodKa (with a 'K')?
I do not "answer" on demand.

What I have been saying for 4 months is;

Romney 54
Barry Soreto 46
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#31 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't answer my question.
I'm really curious what your response will be on November 7th after Obama has been reelected.
More 'sheeple' and 'Baahahayahaing' and Phillips vodKa (with a 'K')?
Were you able to work up the character required to watch this video of your Messiah?
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#32 Oct 5, 2012
RCP Average 9/25 - 10/4 ---- 49.1 46.0 Obama +3.1
Rasmussen Tracking 10/2 - 10/4 1500 LV 3.0 49 47 Obama +2
Gallup Tracking 9/27 - 10/3 3050 RV 2.0 49 45 Obama +4
CNN/Opinion Research 9/28 - 9/30 783 LV 3.5 50 47 Obama +3
National Journal 9/27 - 9/30 789 LV 4.2 47 47 Tie
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 9/26 - 9/30 832 LV 3.4 49 46 Obama +3
NPR 9/26 - 9/30 800 LV 4.0 51 44 Obama +7
ABC News/Wash Post 9/26 - 9/29 813 LV 4.0 49 47 Obama +2
Quinnipiac 9/25 - 9/30 1912 LV 2.2 49 45 Obama +4
boring lefty cut pastes

Saint Paul, MN

#33 Oct 5, 2012
27 lies based on some lefty bloggers opinion now constitutes the truth, huh? What a bunch of lazy, incurious losers lefties are. Don't bother doing some honest research on the positions. Instead, just relentlessly post crap from the biggest lefty nutjobs you can find on the net, and then hope it will stick to at least one, dumb ahole who may cast a vote for Obummer.

Hilarious. Every time Barry's lips are moving, he's lying. Your continuous, boring posts prove that to a lefty, lying is ok, as long as you're in the right party.

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#34 Oct 5, 2012
Trolls wrote:
<quoted text>Ahhh, a little 'deflect and divert' action, I see.
So your answer is to basically acknowledge that Obama told lies, but try to justify them by posting 27 alleged lies by Romney?
That's pretty much admitting defeat on your part, but whatever makes you happy....
Perhaps as a semi illiterate teabagger you are unable to determine the topic of a thread.

The topic of this thread is 'Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes'.

Your response to that was "Well, Obama did it too", which may have worked well with your mother when you were two years old but doesn't cut it now.

We'll see you on November 7th when Obama will be celebrating his victory and you will be making excuses, like usual, for Romney's loss.

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#35 Oct 5, 2012
Consistent wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not "answer" on demand.
What I have been saying for 4 months is;
Romney 54
Barry Soreto 46
Candidates are not elected on popular vote, or we would have had a President Gore.

I'd love to hear what you think the electoral college vote will be and how you think Romney will get to a majority without Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Smart Liberal

Minneapolis, MN

#36 Oct 5, 2012
listen tho these liberals and their limp damage control of the biggest FLOP in US history, it is over President Mitt Romney, now there is a true LEADER !!

watch joe obiden stumble and mumble when the superior Paul Ryan takes him to task, THE LEFT SHOULD BE VERY WORRIED )- the FREE ride is over !!
Smart Liberal wrote:
Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romney’s strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obama’s policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
1)“[G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs”. Romney’s plan for “energy independence” actually relies heavily on a study that assumes the U.S. continues with fuel efficiency standards set by the Obama administration. For instance, he uses Citigroup research based off the assumption that “‘the United States will continue with strict fuel economy standards that will lower its oil demand.” Since he promises to undo the Obama administration’s new fuel efficiency standards, he would cut oil consumption savings of 2 million barrels per day by 2025.
2)“I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about.” A Tax Policy Center analysis of Romney’s proposal for a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut in all federal income tax rates, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, eliminating the estate tax and other tax reductions, would reduce federal revenue $480 billion in 2015. This amounts to $5 trillion over the decade.
3)“My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.” If Romney hopes to provide tax relief to the middle class, then his $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work.
4)“My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral.“He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.
5)“I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.” The studies Romney cites actually further prove that Romney would, in fact, have to raise taxes on the middle class if he were to keep his promise not to lose revenue with his tax rate reduction.
6)“I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#37 Oct 5, 2012
ther you go again, and all your liberal media polls, you know that the muslim is on the ropes and there is nothing you can say or do to stop the free fall !!

watch the VP debates, Paul Ryan is going to make the liberal joe look and sound the the dope he is !!

__________
Amused Slew wrote:
RCP Average 9/25 - 10/4 ---- 49.1 46.0 Obama +3.1
Rasmussen Tracking 10/2 - 10/4 1500 LV 3.0 49 47 Obama +2
Gallup Tracking 9/27 - 10/3 3050 RV 2.0 49 45 Obama +4
CNN/Opinion Research 9/28 - 9/30 783 LV 3.5 50 47 Obama +3
National Journal 9/27 - 9/30 789 LV 4.2 47 47 Tie
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 9/26 - 9/30 832 LV 3.4 49 46 Obama +3
NPR 9/26 - 9/30 800 LV 4.0 51 44 Obama +7
ABC News/Wash Post 9/26 - 9/29 813 LV 4.0 49 47 Obama +2
Quinnipiac 9/25 - 9/30 1912 LV 2.2 49 45 Obama +4
Todi Slayer

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Oct 5, 2012
now ther is a liberal name from the past BIG al gore me - hey i invented the internet. if this liberal was president during 911 we would all be bowing to allah by now.

hey al how is your halloween costume comming, try going as barry soetoro the muslim.
Toidi Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Candidates are not elected on popular vote, or we would have had a President Gore.
I'd love to hear what you think the electoral college vote will be and how you think Romney will get to a majority without Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#39 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps as a semi illiterate teabagger you are unable to determine the topic of a thread.
The topic of this thread is 'Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes'.
Your response to that was "Well, Obama did it too", which may have worked well with your mother when you were two years old but doesn't cut it now.
We'll see you on November 7th when Obama will be celebrating his victory and you will be making excuses, like usual, for Romney's loss.
Why not 37 lies in 38 minutes, or 1000 lies in 39 minutes?
You are a willing dupe. It took the Chicago Mob about 36 hours to find some kind of excuse for the "Leader of the Free World". Have you ever contemplated why you are so willfully ignorant and a supplicant Sheeple?
Oh, and watch the video I linked to where the REAL Liar reveals himself vs the "Spin" that the Plantation Masters spoon feed you Sheeple.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#40 Oct 5, 2012
Toidi Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Candidates are not elected on popular vote, or we would have had a President Gore.
I'd love to hear what you think the electoral college vote will be and how you think Romney will get to a majority without Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Son,
Do not try and School me on anything in our Electoral System.....I have been enlightened on the subject before you were shaaating yellow in your diapers.

Since: Jul 12

Minneapolis, MN

#41 Oct 5, 2012
Todi Slayer wrote:
now ther is a liberal name from the past BIG al gore me - hey i invented the internet. if this liberal was president during 911 we would all be bowing to allah by now.
hey al how is your halloween costume comming, try going as barry soetoro the muslim.
<quoted text>
I love illiterate posters that are so ignorant that they even misspell their posting name.

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