Moms Talk: The Vaccine Debate

Mar 24, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

A measles outbreak has hit Minnesota-10 cases have now been confirmed. Before this recent surge, only 10 cases of measles had been reported in the state over the last decade.

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1. 2002 repeating author 'Might' be related to pathogenesis of autism
2. 1998 repeating author Hypothesis not confirmed
3. 2011 Hypothesis
4. 2000 Data study- design limit our ability to make firm causal inferences about the true magnitude of effect.
5. 1958 This isn't a study
6. 2010 Survey study
7. 2011 repeating author Data study
8. 2009 repeating author This study had nothing to do with childhood vaccines
9. 2011 repeating author This really isn't a study, but opinion on other studies
data study
10. 2011 not a study
11. 2004 Geier study- based off VAERS
12. 2010 repeating author Mouse study, even though thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines already
13. 2011 'If similar changes occur in children' this study never determined that it did.
14. 2012 hypothesis not confirmed
15. 2012 might induce excitotoxic
16. 2006 the flu vaccine comes thimerosal-free for pregnant women
part of the reasons that folks look to claiming that vaccines are the monster.
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is that they, the parents want to have 'perfect' children. mini copies of how they view themselves as parents.
they, the parent assumes they have 'perfect' genes
that they married the one with 'perfect' genes.
that anything is is a aberration.
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thing is, there is NO ONE with 'perfect' genes.
even looking at a average looking person. you can not tell if their DNA may or may not be the average. they may be a human chimera, intersexed, one of hundreds of possibilities of things.
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these same folks assume that only 'perfect' people go to college, date, get married, buy a house, have kids.
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in their minds, that 'imperfect' people can not do what 'perfect' people can do.
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thing is, many folks on the spectrum CAN and DO what those 'perfect' folks think we can not do. date, marry, own our own homes, have kids. be stars on TV shows like The Beauty & the Geek.
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thing is, since autism has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. it is a major part of lives here.
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in many ways, I bet those folks who think they did not have the DNA were to look at their own family. they would notice that 'weird' aunt or uncle by blood. maybe even their own parents had a slight sense of 'weirdness' to them. since having one family member with it increases the chances of more kids being found in their family to be on the spectrum. in many ways the genes for autism are like the genetics for blue eyes or even red hair. the more that have it in their DNA marries into a family. the more likely it will pop up.
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why do I say this, because I come from a looong line of folks on the spectrum. as well being the mom of a child with high functioning autism as well. and she is using computer programs geared to teach older kids how to do computer based stuff. and reading and understanding words that many fourteen year olds struggle with. and she is only eight. as well as easily pronouncing words that even stump adults. as well as using them in proper sentences as in how those words are used. words like onomatopoeia.
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plus I'm a person on the spectrum as well. what many of us want is for a supposed 'norm' is to give us the same chance to do stuff you think only 'norms' can do. we just might amaze you on how well we can do things. we are people too.
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plus, in my daughter's case, I noticed it well before she got her shots. even if I hadn't I would still have her get her shots. my family has lost too many to those diseases as well as those who lived but were handicapped. like a aunt who died just two days before her eighth birthday to the Spanish flu. as well as having a grandma who was stuck using two canes due to polio due to the effects of it.
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thing is, is that it was disproven about the link between vaccines and autism.
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http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/aut... As the country's leading public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is committed to protecting the health of all Americans–including infants, children, and adolescents. CDC shares with parents and many others great concern about the number of children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD). We are committed to understanding what causes autism, how it can be prevented, and how it can be recognized and treated as early as possible.
....CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children.
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php... British GMC told it like it is, so to speak, and found Wakefield guilty of research misconduct and in no uncertain terms called him “irresponsible and dishonest.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13t... The report that first triggered scares that a vaccine to prevent measles, mumps and rubella might cause autism in children has received another devastating blow to its credibility. The British Medical Journal has declared that the research was not simply bad science, as has been known for years, but a deliberate fraud.
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thing is, trying to cure autism. is in many ways like trying to cure someone of having blue eyes. reason why. autism is NOT a disease. but a genetic condition. and like blue eyes a mutation in one or more areas of the genome structure. and since many folks centuries ago had women pregnant as many times until the woman was no longer able to become pregnant.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/health/rese... The new research — reported in three papers posted online on Wednesday in the journal Nature — provides some measure of both, some experts said. There are probably hundreds, perhaps more than a thousand, gene variations that could disrupt brain development enough to result in social delays.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne... Now three studies of autistic children who had no family history of the condition suggest it could in some cases be caused by gene mutations which are not shared by either parent and occur for the first time in sperm or egg cells as they develop.
Only retardo's cut and paste, retardo.
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part of the reasons that folks look to claiming that vaccines are the monster.
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is that they, the parents want to have 'perfect' children. mini copies of how they view themselves as parents.
they, the parent assumes they have 'perfect' genes
that they married the one with 'perfect' genes.
that anything is is a aberration.
.
thing is, there is NO ONE with 'perfect' genes.
even looking at a average looking person. you can not tell if their DNA may or may not be the average. they may be a human chimera, intersexed, one of hundreds of possibilities of things.
.
these same folks assume that only 'perfect' people go to college, date, get married, buy a house, have kids.
.
in their minds, that 'imperfect' people can not do what 'perfect' people can do.
.
thing is, many folks on the spectrum CAN and DO what those 'perfect' folks think we can not do. date, marry, own our own homes, have kids. be stars on TV shows like The Beauty & the Geek.
.
thing is, since autism has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. it is a major part of lives here.
.
in many ways, I bet those folks who think they did not have the DNA were to look at their own family. they would notice that 'weird' aunt or uncle by blood. maybe even their own parents had a slight sense of 'weirdness' to them. since having one family member with it increases the chances of more kids being found in their family to be on the spectrum. in many ways the genes for autism are like the genetics for blue eyes or even red hair. the more that have it in their DNA marries into a family. the more likely it will pop up.
.
why do I say this, because I come from a looong line of folks on the spectrum. as well being the mom of a child with high functioning autism as well. and she is using computer programs geared to teach older kids how to do computer based stuff. and reading and understanding words that many fourteen year olds struggle with. and she is only eight. as well as easily pronouncing words that even stump adults. as well as using them in proper sentences as in how those words are used. words like onomatopoeia.
.
plus I'm a person on the spectrum as well. what many of us want is for a supposed 'norm' is to give us the same chance to do stuff you think only 'norms' can do. we just might amaze you on how well we can do things. we are people too.
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plus, in my daughter's case, I noticed it well before she got her shots. even if I hadn't I would still have her get her shots. my family has lost too many to those diseases as well as those who lived but were handicapped. like a aunt who died just two days before her eighth birthday to the Spanish flu. as well as having a grandma who was stuck using two canes due to polio due to the effects of it.
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Another reason is because some claim to be self employed, and they're looking for a great big pay-day from suing. Of course these people don't think their genes at all could carry any risk to their offspring nd they call it 'blame'. It's these people who are very weak-minded and cant handle truths. It wouldn't matter what their child's disability was, those types of peoplecant even handle that, let alone the cause of it.

Disabled people of many types can do many things and live great lives, just as anyone else can but many times they are held back with the belief that they are 'damage' and that they cant do anything because they are disabled.

That said, the 15 studies of course is just like the 28 studies that was floating around.
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/autism/T97F...
And that's all anti vaxxers have. A list of 15 which are meaningless if one was to look at the actual study, not what some blogger deems worthy of copy and paste.
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Hey if Sang couldn't get SSI for her and her kid, how would she support her rapist-hubbie?
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<quoted text>Only retardo's cut and paste, retardo.
Only retards don't know the difference between cut and paste and copy and paste, retard. Only retards spell the word as "retardo's", which is a possessive form, not a plural.
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Only retards don't know the difference between cut and paste and copy and paste, retard. Only retards spell the word as "retardo's", which is a possessive form, not a plural.
Only people from the UK have nasty teeth and a ho for a queen
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<quoted text>Only people from the UK have nasty teeth and a ho for a queen
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Only retards don't know the difference between cut and paste and copy and paste, retard. Only retards spell the word as "retardo's", which is a possessive form, not a plural.
don't mind the bigoted troll.
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it assumes that there is no spectrum. that all folks with autism are all alike. that supposedly even aspies need control helmets and can not talk intelligently.
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it assumes that even if a person has high functioning autism. that the person is eligible for the special olympics. even though the intelligence level of a aspie is much higher than what is allowed to participate in the SO.
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it assumes that aspies can not marry for love and do so.
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it also assumes that aspies can not hold a job and are on SSI. it has trouble wrapping it's mind around the fact I used to work in a factory. even at one point being a type of supervisor known as a Line Lead for the assembly lines I worked on. that I gave it up to be a housewife.
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it will not realize that there are many computer type jobs for aspies. like being a IT aka information technologist. as well as other well paying jobs for folks on the spectrum.
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it claims that my child was born of rape. my daughter was conceived out of love.
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it assumes that my husband does not have a full time job. which by the way he does.
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if you go to the other posts the troll has done. most of them are after I have posted and it makes the bigoted comments about aspies. making the troll look like the idiot fool it is.
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don't mind the bigoted troll.
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it assumes that there is no spectrum. that all folks with autism are all alike. that supposedly even aspies need control helmets and can not talk intelligently.
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it assumes that even if a person has high functioning autism. that the person is eligible for the special olympics. even though the intelligence level of a aspie is much higher than what is allowed to participate in the SO.
.
it assumes that aspies can not marry for love and do so.
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it also assumes that aspies can not hold a job and are on SSI. it has trouble wrapping it's mind around the fact I used to work in a factory. even at one point being a type of supervisor known as a Line Lead for the assembly lines I worked on. that I gave it up to be a housewife.
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it will not realize that there are many computer type jobs for aspies. like being a IT aka information technologist. as well as other well paying jobs for folks on the spectrum.
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it claims that my child was born of rape. my daughter was conceived out of love.
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it assumes that my husband does not have a full time job. which by the way he does.
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if you go to the other posts the troll has done. most of them are after I have posted and it makes the bigoted comments about aspies. making the troll look like the idiot fool it is.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

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Troll alert.
make that a pair of trolls
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sun must have fried the brains of one.
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and the other troll used Latin for 'coarse' as it's handle.
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meanwhile I need to get to work. husband has me working in Carrara making designs for our 3D printers.
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He thinks those 15 'studies' from some blog are peer reviewed/ evidence. Most if not all are old, and done by the same authors. It isn't peer reviewed if they themselves review their own work! And he never asks himself, if it was valid evidence, why has nothing at all come of it? If the Pharma was so big and bad, they would had quashed the authors by now. No sense in providing any more links to peer reviewed studies. He wont understand them anyways.
What a hoot the way these bozo's keep giving weak reasons for NOT providing evidence. Blaming me for not doing research AND providing evidence. He I'm not stopping you. Do your worst. Of course you won't and can't. We've been through this before and its always the same.

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