Moms Talk: The Vaccine Debate

Mar 24, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

A measles outbreak has hit Minnesota-10 cases have now been confirmed. Before this recent surge, only 10 cases of measles had been reported in the state over the last decade.

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Well, here's some more research info for any one who cares to read it

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Well, here's some more research info for any one who cares to read it
Very interesting, BUT it still doesn't tell us where these kids that got the measles were born or if they were U.S. citizens.
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I never said anything about the kids who had measles being US born. I was talking about the autism rates within the Somali in Mn, in Pre k, being US born when you suggested they were double vaccinated.

This article answers your question about "So can we ASSUME that the other 8 cases were vaccinated?
I bet they were all born in the U.S. and most of them were old enough to be vaccinated and were.".

You just cant seem to stick to topic and is easily confused and get points mixed up with others. I guess that's what happens when you come to topics to rant and attack.

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I never said anything about the kids who had measles being US born. I was talking about the autism rates within the Somali in Mn, in Pre k, being US born when you suggested they were double vaccinated.
This article answers your question about "So can we ASSUME that the other 8 cases were vaccinated?
I bet they were all born in the U.S. and most of them were old enough to be vaccinated and were.".
You just cant seem to stick to topic and is easily confused and get points mixed up with others. I guess that's what happens when you come to topics to rant and attack.
Trying to lie your way out of what you DID say.
Do I have to remind you that people can go back and read what you have put up here in the past?
The thread "Minnesota health department comfrims six measles cases"
YOUR post #19
" Try doing a search these children ARE U.S. CITIZENS MEANING THEY WERE BORN HERE"
So do you want to take back the first line of your last post?
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Number one, I never used caps and number two, that was in reference to the autism cases in MN and IEP's. The autism rates of the Somalis in MN are US born children. What part of that is difficult for you to comprehend??

Doesn't matter anyway. Of the 11 with the measles, only one has unknown vaccine history, the rest were not vaccinated yet they were old enough to be and the others were too young.

Back to Wakefield.
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So now that they've had the measles, they have life long immunity. And if you are so all powerful-knowledge-wise, you'd know that live measle vaccine and live polio vaccine can infect others, and most outbreaks you here about are stated that way. Vaccines don't give lifelong immunity. They don't enhance or strengthen the immune system. Vaccines suppress and cripple the immune system. Those lucky enough not to be damaged can thank their lucky stars.

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And if you knew anything transmission of the vaccine viruses does not occur from a vaccinated person of the MMR and certainly not of the polio vaccine since most countries are no longer even using the live virus. You did get one thing correct, vaccine don't always give lifelong immunity and 2 to 5 percent don't even build any immunity.
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A microcosm of an issue. Very pro-vaccine, unbalanced, propaganda. None of these children have died. They will have life long immunity that only this experience and the body's immune system can provide. No $$ for pharma..boo-hoo. Isolate these children, let the natural process occur, and they will never be a threat again. Vaccinate them, and they may experience vac failure immediately or have it wear off, thereby making them dangerous to others too, and vulnerable themselves. What sounds better?
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FBOMBER wrote:
A microcosm of an issue. Very pro-vaccine, unbalanced, propaganda. None of these children have died. They will have life long immunity that only this experience and the body's immune system can provide. No $$ for pharma..boo-hoo. Isolate these children, let the natural process occur, and they will never be a threat again. Vaccinate them, and they may experience vac failure immediately or have it wear off, thereby making them dangerous to others too, and vulnerable themselves. What sounds better?
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Vaccines Cause Autism wrote:
<quoted text> Awesome
The only way that the Winnipeg anti-vaxer can find anyone to agree with him is by talking to himself.

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Not only that, he went back to 12 very old topics to do it. Can you tell someone has way too much time on their hands??

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ric99 wrote:
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The only way that the Winnipeg anti-vaxer can find anyone to agree with him is by talking to himself.
thing is, is that it was disproven about the link between vaccines and autism.
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http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/aut... As the country's leading public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is committed to protecting the health of all Americans–including infants, children, and adolescents. CDC shares with parents and many others great concern about the number of children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD). We are committed to understanding what causes autism, how it can be prevented, and how it can be recognized and treated as early as possible.
....CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children.
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php... British GMC told it like it is, so to speak, and found Wakefield guilty of research misconduct and in no uncertain terms called him “irresponsible and dishonest.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13t... The report that first triggered scares that a vaccine to prevent measles, mumps and rubella might cause autism in children has received another devastating blow to its credibility. The British Medical Journal has declared that the research was not simply bad science, as has been known for years, but a deliberate fraud.
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thing is, trying to cure autism. is in many ways like trying to cure someone of having blue eyes. reason why. autism is NOT a disease. but a genetic condition. and like blue eyes a mutation in one or more areas of the genome structure. and since many folks centuries ago had women pregnant as many times until the woman was no longer able to become pregnant.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/health/rese... The new research — reported in three papers posted online on Wednesday in the journal Nature — provides some measure of both, some experts said. There are probably hundreds, perhaps more than a thousand, gene variations that could disrupt brain development enough to result in social delays.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne... Now three studies of autistic children who had no family history of the condition suggest it could in some cases be caused by gene mutations which are not shared by either parent and occur for the first time in sperm or egg cells as they develop.
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Autism now 1 in 50 in the USA. Explain Einsteins. You Dumbo's are playing fiddles while Rome burns. Repeat after me...DUH!
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ric99 wrote:
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The only way that the Winnipeg anti-vaxer can find anyone to agree with him is by talking to himself.
Its because I'm bored exchanging posts with imbeciles .
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Sangelia wrote:
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thing is, is that it was disproven about the link between vaccines and autism.
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http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/aut... As the country's leading public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is committed to protecting the health of all Americans–including infants, children, and adolescents. CDC shares with parents and many others great concern about the number of children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD). We are committed to understanding what causes autism, how it can be prevented, and how it can be recognized and treated as early as possible.
....CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children.
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http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php... British GMC told it like it is, so to speak, and found Wakefield guilty of research misconduct and in no uncertain terms called him “irresponsible and dishonest.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13t... The report that first triggered scares that a vaccine to prevent measles, mumps and rubella might cause autism in children has received another devastating blow to its credibility. The British Medical Journal has declared that the research was not simply bad science, as has been known for years, but a deliberate fraud.
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thing is, trying to cure autism. is in many ways like trying to cure someone of having blue eyes. reason why. autism is NOT a disease. but a genetic condition. and like blue eyes a mutation in one or more areas of the genome structure. and since many folks centuries ago had women pregnant as many times until the woman was no longer able to become pregnant.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/health/rese... The new research — reported in three papers posted online on Wednesday in the journal Nature — provides some measure of both, some experts said. There are probably hundreds, perhaps more than a thousand, gene variations that could disrupt brain development enough to result in social delays.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne... Now three studies of autistic children who had no family history of the condition suggest it could in some cases be caused by gene mutations which are not shared by either parent and occur for the first time in sperm or egg cells as they develop.
Sangelia, that is an excellent collection of links to autism studies, but as far as convincing the Winnipeg anti-vaxer is concerned, you might as well bang your head against a brick wall. Some of us here have been posting links to peer reviewed scientific/medical studies showing no links between vaccines and autism for months/years now, but he just declares that they are all “junk science” promoted by those in the pay of “Big Pharma”. There is much evidence that he doesn't even read these links, and he has never given any logical reasons why he declares them to be junk science.

You could say that we should just ignore him, but by so doing, it is possible that parents may we worried by what he says and not get their kids vaccinated against potentially serious diseases that could be disabling or even fatal.

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try the fact that folks with autism are BREEDING. especially those with high functioning form of autism.
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and if one or both parents are on the spectrum. or are mere carriers. that their offspring have a higher chance of being born with autism.
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this is especially true for those folks who are on the high functioning form of autism like aspergers. and the ratio of guys vs gals born with it is about equal. but the reason more males are diagnosed. is because girls are expected to be reticent in behavior. and aspergers is the one that can
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there is no one form of it. but a entire SPECTRUM of autism. because it can range from the most severe up to the high functioning form of it. plus on each point of the spectrum one can have a mild form to a full blown form of that point of it. as well as what levels of intelligence is required to be diagnosed. the most severe is the one with the lowest intelligence. whereas on the other hand. the high functioning forms especially aspergers require the one being diagnosed to have average to mensa levels.
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found this out when I got tested for aspergers. seems that I have it. and when I told my daughter's doctor the results. he placed that into my daughter's files. since my daughter also has the same kind I do. but we do not know at this point on if she is a mild to full blown. that is in a future test.
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I come from a long line of aspies. and in that family line of aspies. the men were teachers and professors for their jobs.

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Sangelia, that is an excellent collection of links to autism studies, but as far as convincing the Winnipeg anti-vaxer is concerned, you might as well bang your head against a brick wall. Some of us here have been posting links to peer reviewed scientific/medical studies showing no links between vaccines and autism for months/years now, but he just declares that they are all “junk science” promoted by those in the pay of “Big Pharma”. There is much evidence that he doesn't even read these links, and he has never given any logical reasons why he declares them to be junk science.
You could say that we should just ignore him, but by so doing, it is possible that parents may we worried by what he says and not get their kids vaccinated against potentially serious diseases that could be disabling or even fatal.
he or she is that way on a different forum about autism. refuses to learn from actual folks with autism like me.
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the person does NOT realize that their HERO Dr Andrew Wakefield has had his medical license revoked in the UK due to his fraudulent research on the subject. and Wakefield is not licensed to practice here in the US. where he has a place in TX doing 'research' on kids.
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even when I pointed out that autism is NOT new. it has been noted for hundreds of year. most common thing that was done was to toss the kids with it into a insane hospital. or outright kill the kids as being 'demon possessed'.

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Let's give this a try, "Einstein". The study references 'school aged children', meaning they're gaining statistics based on primary disabilities listed on IEP's. It even goes further, "The parents’ reports of diagnoses weren’t substantiated through clinical evaluation or medical records, the authors wrote." An educational diagnosis is not the same as a medical diagnosis, nor is each states criteria the same.
The autism rates are not accurate. "Repeat after me...DUH"!
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Hey, nice to see you again. You're right, Winnipeg is the same on any forum. That place in Texas, Thoughtful House, they booted hero Wakefield out and renamed it Johnson Center for Child Health and Development. Currently, Wakefield was degraded down to unemployed holding a green card.
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he or she is that way on a different forum about autism. refuses to learn from actual folks with autism like me.
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the person does NOT realize that their HERO Dr Andrew Wakefield has had his medical license revoked in the UK due to his fraudulent research on the subject. and Wakefield is not licensed to practice here in the US. where he has a place in TX doing 'research' on kids.
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even when I pointed out that autism is NOT new. it has been noted for hundreds of year. most common thing that was done was to toss the kids with it into a insane hospital. or outright kill the kids as being 'demon possessed'.
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try the fact that folks with autism are BREEDING. especially those with high functioning form of autism.
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and if one or both parents are on the spectrum. or are mere carriers. that their offspring have a higher chance of being born with autism.
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this is especially true for those folks who are on the high functioning form of autism like aspergers. and the ratio of guys vs gals born with it is about equal. but the reason more males are diagnosed. is because girls are expected to be reticent in behavior. and aspergers is the one that can
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there is no one form of it. but a entire SPECTRUM of autism. because it can range from the most severe up to the high functioning form of it. plus on each point of the spectrum one can have a mild form to a full blown form of that point of it. as well as what levels of intelligence is required to be diagnosed. the most severe is the one with the lowest intelligence. whereas on the other hand. the high functioning forms especially aspergers require the one being diagnosed to have average to mensa levels.
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found this out when I got tested for aspergers. seems that I have it. and when I told my daughter's doctor the results. he placed that into my daughter's files. since my daughter also has the same kind I do. but we do not know at this point on if she is a mild to full blown. that is in a future test.
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I come from a long line of aspies. and in that family line of aspies. the men were teachers and professors for their jobs.
Shows you're ignorant of classic and regressive autism. I won't waste time explaining it to another imbecile.

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