Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#23 Jun 23, 2014
Old Vet wrote:
<quoted text>
If he/she did that they would have to escape the USA like Snowden. The Gestapo would be after his/her arse. They would not be a whistle blower but a traitor. You can do the right thing in the USA but the system WILL find a way to persecute you for some reason.
USA broken!
Very much so. While our legislators encourage whistle blowing in the private sector, they fear it in the public sector. Which is why Snowden has been labeled a traitor.
Gee, wonder what they are so afraid of.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Jun 23, 2014
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>
The obstructionist already have over 2500 IRS emails,how many do you need to have a valid case against them? so now why don't you crooked liars just make up some e-mails to validate your witch hunt? that's the only way you can win anything with your nonsense,and Stockman along with paul Ryan is full of Sheet.
If the IRS was guility of some wrong during against the GOP,then why would they sent out a E-mail to incrimate themselve's? that would be dumber then the GOP itself,the teaparty should be trying to get telephones records instead.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#25 Jun 23, 2014
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>
If the IRS was guility of some wrong during against the GOP,then why would they sent out a E-mail to incrimate themselve's? that would be dumber then the GOP itself,the teaparty should be trying to get telephones records instead.
Probably for the same reason that someone would tell a grand jury and the american public that he did "not have sexual relations with that woman" when the DNA evidence proved, with little room for doubt, the exact opposite.(because apparently, in his world, it's not a "sexual relation" unless she swallows)

Probably for the same reasons that Obama lies about, well, everything.

And most likely because they know damned well that as government employees they are immune to almost any form of prosecution.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#26 Jun 23, 2014
cantmakeitup wrote:
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Probably for the same reason that someone would tell a grand jury and the american public that he did "not have sexual relations with that woman" when the DNA evidence proved, with little room for doubt, the exact opposite.(because apparently, in his world, it's not a "sexual relation" unless she swallows)
Probably for the same reasons that Obama lies about, well, everything.
And most likely because they know damned well that as government employees they are immune to almost any form of prosecution.
And what about your Lies?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#27 Jun 23, 2014
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>
And what about your Lies?
You have yet to even attempt to disprove anything I have said in these forums.
Because, lacking the skillset, you cannot.
What about the incredible nonsense you spew out on a daily basis? Often caused by a perceived "bromance" with Obama and most of which is unintelligible.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#28 Jun 29, 2014
Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union,” the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) said embattled former IRS official Lois Lerner’s attorney William Taylor “outright lied” a number of times while defending her role in the targeting of Tea Party groups for extra scrutiny.

The California congressman said,“Her attorney has said things that are not correct, or disingenuous or outright lied a number of times, it's been shown by e-mail.”
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#29 Jul 2, 2014
Another federal judge tells IRS to explain itself on lost emails

I guess that "the dog ate it" isn't a valid excuse...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/another-federal...

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#30 Jul 3, 2014
How does the IRS get away with saying that there was a hard drive crash and they no longer have the e-mails?

1. The typical American is more interested in Kim Kardashian's boob job than in what impacts their lives and their wallets.

2. The typical American is too stupid to know that e-mails are not stored on computer hard drives.

3. The MSM is nothing but a lap dog for the Obama Administration and simply re-publishes the fabrications printed off the Dem printing presses.

4. The GOP has no backbone and no gonads.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#31 Jul 3, 2014
IrishMN wrote:
How does the IRS get away with saying that there was a hard drive crash and they no longer have the e-mails?
1. The typical American is more interested in Kim Kardashian's boob job than in what impacts their lives and their wallets.
2. The typical American is too stupid to know that e-mails are not stored on computer hard drives.
3. The MSM is nothing but a lap dog for the Obama Administration and simply re-publishes the fabrications printed off the Dem printing presses.
4. The GOP has no backbone and no gonads.
Well stated and, welcome back.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#32 Jul 3, 2014
cantmakeitup wrote:
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Well stated and, welcome back.
Thank you, my friend. But probably just a quick visit.

As much as anything I was curious whether the stupid people on here had grown any brain cells. Sadly, it appears they haven't.

happy 4th of July to you and yours! Celebrate the freedom that we all take way too lightly.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#33 Jul 9, 2014
Well, it looks like Lois Lerner took steps to hide conversations, possibly relying on OCS [Microsoft Office Communications Server] messages because they are not set to automatically be saved.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee released emails Wednesday from disgraced former Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Director of Exempt Organizations Lois Lerner wherein she advised her colleagues that "We need to be cautious about what we say in emails" because "we have several occasions where Congress has asked for emails and there has been an electronic search for responsive emails."

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads...
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#34 Jul 10, 2014
A federal judge has ordered the IRS to explain "under oath" how the agency lost a trove of emails from the official at the heart of the Tea Party targeting scandal.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave the tax agency 30 days to file a declaration by an "appropriate official" to address the computer issues with ex-official Lois Lerner.

The decision came Thursday as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, which along with GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill has questioned how the IRS lost the emails and, in some cases, had no apparent way to retrieve them.

The IRS first acknowledged it lost the emails in a letter to senators last month.

"In our view, there has been a cover-up that has been going on," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said. "The Department of Justice, the IRS, had an obligation, an absolute obligation ... to alert the court and alert Judicial Watch as soon as they knew when these records were supposedly lost."
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#35 Jul 21, 2014
MORE lost hard drives and still no idea what is going on inside the IRS:

IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane said in transcribed congressional testimony that more IRS officials experienced computer crashes, bringing the total number of crash victims to “less than 20,” and also said that the agency does not know if the lost emails are still backed up somewhere.

The new round of computer crash victims includes David Fish, who routinely corresponded with Lois Lerner, as well as Lerner subordinate Andy Megosh, Lerner’s technical adviser Justin Lowe, and Cincinnati-based agent Kimberly Kitchens.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/21/now-irs-rep...
liberals have bad breath

Minneapolis, MN

#36 Jul 21, 2014
redeemer wrote:
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Your time is about up anyway and you already know don't it you rat and the piper plays the death march for you rats.
two years of emails ( LOST ) very interesting. This so called leader, is a train wreck in the making. Funny even the liberal left wing is running from the dictators camp, great news the new tax cost ( of health care ) is out, and before the mid term elections people will have to pay to play this socialist tax and spend game.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#37 Jul 21, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
MORE lost hard drives and still no idea what is going on inside the IRS:
IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane said in transcribed congressional testimony that more IRS officials experienced computer crashes, bringing the total number of crash victims to “less than 20,” and also said that the agency does not know if the lost emails are still backed up somewhere.
The new round of computer crash victims includes David Fish, who routinely corresponded with Lois Lerner, as well as Lerner subordinate Andy Megosh, Lerner’s technical adviser Justin Lowe, and Cincinnati-based agent Kimberly Kitchens.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/21/now-irs-rep...
That's just fabulous. And how convenient that all of those hard drives are being swallowed up by aliens or black holes at such an opportune moment. Can you say "conspiracy to hide evidence"?
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#38 Jul 21, 2014
They claim to have lost the emails from those hard drives AND the backups because of reusing the backup tapes.

A typical back & restore scenario would be for the crashed hard drives to be replaced and the backed up information restored from those backup tapes (before they were reused). If you suddenly lost all of your emails, among other things, that would be the first thing you would restore in order to move on with your work.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#39 Jul 21, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
They claim to have lost the emails from those hard drives AND the backups because of reusing the backup tapes.
A typical back & restore scenario would be for the crashed hard drives to be replaced and the backed up information restored from those backup tapes (before they were reused). If you suddenly lost all of your emails, among other things, that would be the first thing you would restore in order to move on with your work.
Pretty sure that for most companies, the law requires data be saved for about seven years before it is over written. But maybe those laws don't apply to the IRS.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#40 Jul 21, 2014
You miss my entire point. If, in fact, their hard drives really did die, they should have been replaced with new drives and their emails restored on those drives. Anyone in an office setting would want this done asap. Those new drives should still exist and be in use right now as long as the employee is still there..

Whatever hard drive they are using right now should have a start date that roughly corresponds with the restore date of the dead drives.

If not, they are caught in a lie.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#41 Jul 21, 2014
I didn't come up with these numbers, but the give you an idea as to how much of a lie we are dealing with here.

The odds of winning the Powerball is 1 in 175,223,510.

The odds of a disk drive failing in any given month are roughly one in 36.

The odds of two different drives failing in the same month are roughly one in 36 squared, or 1 in about 1,300.

The odds of three drives failing in the same month is 36 cubed or 1 in 46,656.

The odds of seven different drives failing in the same month (like what happened at the IRS when they received a letter asking about emails targeting conservative and pro Israeli groups) is 37 to the 7th power = 1 in 78,664,164,096.(that’s over 78 Billion)

In other words, the odds are greater that you will win the Powerball 448 times than having those seven IRS hard drives crashing in the same month.

NOTHING fish going on at the IRS...

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#42 Jul 21, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
You miss my entire point. If, in fact, their hard drives really did die, they should have been replaced with new drives and their emails restored on those drives. Anyone in an office setting would want this done asap. Those new drives should still exist and be in use right now as long as the employee is still there..
Whatever hard drive they are using right now should have a start date that roughly corresponds with the restore date of the dead drives.
If not, they are caught in a lie.
You're right about people wanting their email restored ASAP. For this reason and more, in most environments, email is not stored on local hard drives. It is stored on email servers which get backed up to tape. This is usually done daily, weekly and monthly. The monthly tapes (assuming best practices) are stored off site in a secured area in order to preserve the data for exactly the purposes being seen in this case. Most companies don't back up individual drives but rather, use shared network drives that are also backed up daily, weekly monthly. So yes, there is some serious lying going on at the IRS.

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