Mayor Chris Coleman to host re-election fundraiser

Dec 3, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TwinCities

St. Paul Mayor Coleman speaks before the Senate finance panel at the State Capitol on Wednesday, April 25, 2012.

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Just so you are all aware, Hennepin and Ramsey Countires contribute $335 million to the state's coffers just from sales tax from the leisure/tourism/hospitality industry. Nowhere else in the state even comes close and you want to squabble over $50 million in LGA.
Hennepin and Ramsey counties include a lot more than just St Paul and Minneapolis. Minneapolis has 350,000 residents, but Hennepin county is over 1 million people. How much is from Bloomington? From Eden Prairie, Plymouth, Minnetonka, Wayzata, etc? Nice "bad" stat to back up your Minneapolis and St Paul assertions.
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Lastly, this is not a debate about the salaries of cellists or who may or may not be smug and/or bitter. I joined this conversation to have a reasonable discussion and to flesh out the truth. If your so stuck in your ideology then perhaps you should hide from the world.
Your postings turned the tone bitter. Go back and re-read them. I was ready for a discussion, you told me I had no business commenting on Coleman. Maybe you should look in the mirror while you re-read your last sentence.
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Just so you are all aware, Hennepin and Ramsey Countires contribute $335 million to the state's coffers just from sales tax from the leisure/tourism/hospitality industry. Nowhere else in the state even comes close and you want to squabble over $50 million in LGA.
If you include Minneapolis in the discussion, it is $116 million in LGA between St Paul and Minneapolis. If you want to quote $335 million in tax revenues from two counties, you have to include all the LGA in those counties as well. I didn't include inner ring suburbs that get LGA as well, like Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center, Crystal, Fridley, Robbinsdale, etc. It is all fine and dandy to apply the fuzzy math, but you don't get to compare $50 million in LGA for just St Paul to $335 million in taxes collected from a much larger area, the counties of Hennepin and Ramsey.
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<quoted text>If you include Minneapolis in the discussion, it is $116 million in LGA between St Paul and Minneapolis. If you want to quote $335 million in tax revenues from two counties, you have to include all the LGA in those counties as well. I didn't include inner ring suburbs that get LGA as well, like Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center, Crystal, Fridley, Robbinsdale, etc. It is all fine and dandy to apply the fuzzy math, but you don't get to compare $50 million in LGA for just St Paul to $335 million in taxes collected from a much larger area, the counties of Hennepin and Ramsey.
So, you have no real argument, just your usual nonsense ???
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<quoted text>I was born and raised in St Paul and escaped in the early 70's. I have lived in Ramsey County, have several friends who have served on the police force both in St Paul and Ramsey County. You have minority violence galore! Highland, Arlington, Johnson, Harding, Humboldt all have had more than a dozen police calls in this school year alone. You have gang issue up and down Rice Street. Payne Avenue requires a pass from Vietnam and noone goes downtown unless the Wild are playing and the crime rate up and down 7th street jumps every game night. Don't tell me Frogtown is coming along. I know too many people at St Agnes and that is BS. You can keep you crime ridden piece of earth, I move to Sconnieville and still attend Viking games, Season ticket holder for Twins Games and catch a few Gopher hockey tilts as well, and I don't have to worry about getting mugged.
You seem obsessed by the 'minorities.' I won't defend gangs but hyperbole doesn't make you correct. My wife knows this city better than most and Councilmember Melvin Carter is someone we have access to for in depth city government policy and overall city development knowledge. Sorry, but I'll take his word above someone who left over 30 years ago. By the way, I specifically said the Eastside had a lower crime rate in most cases than the rest of the city and the St. Paul crime stats back that up. As for a rise in crime during Wild games, I'm not surprised; take a bunch of ginned up and drunk hockey fans from outside the city and mix them with criminals who know you're going to be there and yes that happens. I didn't defend St. Paul by saying the crime rate is less than the 'burbs. In fact I admitted it, so thanks for backing up my point. Urban area=dense population=higher overall crime. That's the way it goes. Besides if you had bothered reading the entire post, you would know that this debate was really about Mayor Coleman and LGA to the city, so debate that instead of taking what I already owned up to and adding your little bitter, snide remarks. AND YES......FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!! Ain't it great. Now go ahead and call me a socialist or something, cuz I know your burning to rip that one out.
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<quoted text>If you include Minneapolis in the discussion, it is $116 million in LGA between St Paul and Minneapolis. If you want to quote $335 million in tax revenues from two counties, you have to include all the LGA in those counties as well. I didn't include inner ring suburbs that get LGA as well, like Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center, Crystal, Fridley, Robbinsdale, etc. It is all fine and dandy to apply the fuzzy math, but you don't get to compare $50 million in LGA for just St Paul to $335 million in taxes collected from a much larger area, the counties of Hennepin and Ramsey.
Well if you really want to go there, remember I said it was the tourism industry not overall sales tax contributions. On that note St. Paul alone has over $209,000 in sales tax collections as of 2010. Once again more than any other city in the state by far with of course the exception of Minneapolis. So let's squabble over $50 million again.

As for getting personal, you opened it up the whole smug urban liberal comment, so I turn the mirror back to you.

Honestly guys, if you wish to complain about Mayor Rybak's artistic water fountains or subsidized stadiums or even bureaucratic largess and public employee protections and compensation, you would find I'm an ally on many of those issues. I'm not unreasonable, but attacking minor issues that really aren't issues at all is pointless.

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Well if you really want to go there, remember I said it was the tourism industry not overall sales tax contributions. On that note St. Paul alone has over $209,000 in sales tax collections as of 2010. Once again more than any other city in the state by far with of course the exception of Minneapolis. So let's squabble over $50 million again.
As for getting personal, you opened it up the whole smug urban liberal comment, so I turn the mirror back to you.
Honestly guys, if you wish to complain about Mayor Rybak's artistic water fountains or subsidized stadiums or even bureaucratic largess and public employee protections and compensation, you would find I'm an ally on many of those issues. I'm not unreasonable, but attacking minor issues that really aren't issues at all is pointless.


And obviously that number is actually $209,000,000.
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You turned it negative on Burnsville in posting #5

"You live in Burnsville, why do you care about who runs for Mayor in St. Paul? Compared to the crazed fanatic that is Elizabeth Kautz, Coleman is mild."

What does it mean when you say "On that note St. Paul alone has over $209,000,000 in sales tax collections as of 2010"? Can you explain the time it took to collect those sales tax collections? Do you mean St Paul took in $209 million in 2010?

In 2011, Minnesota brought in $5.483 billion in sales taxes total.$209,000,000, while a lot of money, isn't even on a per capita par with the rest of the state. Once you subtract $50 million in LGA from that total, it takes it down to $160 million.

The state also subsidizes the St Paul school district at a higher rate than most schools in the state, St Paul gets a larger average payment per student enrolled than most schools around the state as well.

$50 million in LGA is not the only aid St Paul gets from the state. Who is funding the Saints stadium? Who funded the Xcel Energy Center? The transit tax is collected in 5 counties, and spent almost exclusively in Minneapolis and St Paul.

St Paul and Minneapolis residents, along with Duluth, get subsidized by the rest of the state.
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Get laid and a life, non-sensical scary sand ....
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Well if you really want to go there, remember I said it was the tourism industry not overall sales tax contributions. On that note St. Paul alone has over $209,000 in sales tax collections as of 2010. Once again more than any other city in the state by far with of course the exception of Minneapolis. So let's squabble over $50 million again.
As for getting personal, you opened it up the whole smug urban liberal comment, so I turn the mirror back to you.
Honestly guys, if you wish to complain about Mayor Rybak's artistic water fountains or subsidized stadiums or even bureaucratic largess and public employee protections and compensation, you would find I'm an ally on many of those issues. I'm not unreasonable, but attacking minor issues that really aren't issues at all is pointless.
And then you really went negative in post #13, which is part of the reason for the smug comment. You should re-red your stuff. Coleman shouldn't be re-elected, but then I don't think any Democrat should be elected in St Paul unless they are fiscally conservative and quit asking for money from the state, and complaining when they don't get as much money as they want. The state general fund should not be a piggy bank for Minneapolis and St Paul.
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"You should re-red your stuff."

Yeah, you don't think....

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You turned it negative on Burnsville in posting #5
"You live in Burnsville, why do you care about who runs for Mayor in St. Paul? Compared to the crazed fanatic that is Elizabeth Kautz, Coleman is mild."
What does it mean when you say "On that note St. Paul alone has over $209,000,000 in sales tax collections as of 2010"? Can you explain the time it took to collect those sales tax collections? Do you mean St Paul took in $209 million in 2010?
In 2011, Minnesota brought in $5.483 billion in sales taxes total.$209,000,000, while a lot of money, isn't even on a per capita par with the rest of the state. Once you subtract $50 million in LGA from that total, it takes it down to $160 million.
The state also subsidizes the St Paul school district at a higher rate than most schools in the state, St Paul gets a larger average payment per student enrolled than most schools around the state as well.
$50 million in LGA is not the only aid St Paul gets from the state. Who is funding the Saints stadium? Who funded the Xcel Energy Center? The transit tax is collected in 5 counties, and spent almost exclusively in Minneapolis and St Paul.
St Paul and Minneapolis residents, along with Duluth, get subsidized by the rest of the state.
I went negative on Burnsville and criticized Kautz. I never called you anything like 'smug urban liberal.'

As for subsidies, the state gives education aid based upon need. Since we insist on have this stupid tax-levy system to fund schools, the state pays out more to schools in depressed areas due lower per capita income and housing values. I agree its a screwed up system. As for the Saints stadium and Excel, the state subsidizes it yes, but the city pays a sizable portion and if either were located elsewhere the same subsidy would also be the case, so that's really a non-starter. I am not fan of public subsidies for professional sports as I've already stated, but plenty of your buddies also supported it so that's on both parties.

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You turned it negative on Burnsville in posting #5
"You live in Burnsville, why do you care about who runs for Mayor in St. Paul? Compared to the crazed fanatic that is Elizabeth Kautz, Coleman is mild."
What does it mean when you say "On that note St. Paul alone has over $209,000,000 in sales tax collections as of 2010"? Can you explain the time it took to collect those sales tax collections? Do you mean St Paul took in $209 million in 2010?
In 2011, Minnesota brought in $5.483 billion in sales taxes total.$209,000,000, while a lot of money, isn't even on a per capita par with the rest of the state. Once you subtract $50 million in LGA from that total, it takes it down to $160 million.
The state also subsidizes the St Paul school district at a higher rate than most schools in the state, St Paul gets a larger average payment per student enrolled than most schools around the state as well.
$50 million in LGA is not the only aid St Paul gets from the state. Who is funding the Saints stadium? Who funded the Xcel Energy Center? The transit tax is collected in 5 counties, and spent almost exclusively in Minneapolis and St Paul.
St Paul and Minneapolis residents, along with Duluth, get subsidized by the rest of the state.
To summarize the negative comments, you started with the smart-ass remark about Macy's in post #6, called me egocentric in post #10, in post #15 was the smug urban liberal bit as well as insults to classical musicians needing to work at McDonalds and referring to St. Paul as the ugly sister. You insult St. Paul councilmembers in both posts #10 and #15, referring to them as idiots.

Now I don't really care about insulting third parties in such discussions because neither of us really needs to defend someone who isn't in this discussion anyway. And I don't terribly mind insults to the city itself.

My only real beef is when you attack me personally in the middle of all of this. You feel I am an egocentric, smug urban liberal. Now I re-read all of the posts and washing away the smart-ass comments from both of us it reveals that I never made any comment about you personally, but you have about me and when you make such generalizations these discussions go nowhere.

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You seem obsessed by the 'minorities.' I won't defend gangs but hyperbole doesn't make you correct. My wife knows this city better than most and Councilmember Melvin Carter is someone we have access to for in depth city government policy and overall city development knowledge. Sorry, but I'll take his word above someone who left over 30 years ago. By the way, I specifically said the Eastside had a lower crime rate in most cases than the rest of the city and the St. Paul crime stats back that up. As for a rise in crime during Wild games, I'm not surprised; take a bunch of ginned up and drunk hockey fans from outside the city and mix them with criminals who know you're going to be there and yes that happens. I didn't defend St. Paul by saying the crime rate is less than the 'burbs. In fact I admitted it, so thanks for backing up my point. Urban area=dense population=higher overall crime. That's the way it goes. Besides if you had bothered reading the entire post, you would know that this debate was really about Mayor Coleman and LGA to the city, so debate that instead of taking what I already owned up to and adding your little bitter, snide remarks. AND YES......FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!! Ain't it great. Now go ahead and call me a socialist or something, cuz I know your burning to rip that one out.
Your Wife, really, well that is an interesting piece of news. Having access to a city councilperson doesn't necessarily give you anymore insights than anyone else. I known several council memebers in prior years and have had unlimited access and found out, they knew less about what was happening than I did. Don't like diversion or deflection huh?, sorry I thought that was the DFL/DNC SOP, so I played along! Explain to me this, Since 1940 the DFL has controlled the Mayor office, except for Vavoulis for 6 years in the 60's, and for most of the past 50 years St Paul is still is a distant second to Minneapolis in just about everything. The current Mayor had a chance to actually bring the Vikings to Ramsey County giving the County a nice financial boost and the largest city in Ramsey County basically said, "nothing in for me" and blew em off! Now I oppose any corporate welfare, but here was a chance to really help the people of Ramsey County and the mayor blew em away. The Liberal politics of the past 50 years has done little to solve the problems St Paul faces and yet they continue to be vote in time after time after time. Quite Frankly it make Chicago look like a bunch of conservatives! Why??

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To summarize the negative comments, you started with the smart-ass remark about Macy's in post #6, called me egocentric in post #10, in post #15 was the smug urban liberal bit as well as insults to classical musicians needing to work at McDonalds and referring to St. Paul as the ugly sister. You insult St. Paul councilmembers in both posts #10 and #15, referring to them as idiots.
Now I don't really care about insulting third parties in such discussions because neither of us really needs to defend someone who isn't in this discussion anyway. And I don't terribly mind insults to the city itself.
My only real beef is when you attack me personally in the middle of all of this. You feel I am an egocentric, smug urban liberal. Now I re-read all of the posts and washing away the smart-ass comments from both of us it reveals that I never made any comment about you personally, but you have about me and when you make such generalizations these discussions go nowhere.
If you have thin skin, your in the wrong medium. Noone here knows anyone else so the language and the comments get pretty raw. If and it appears you are, a liberal, stay low, there are not a lot of registered Liberals on this site.
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To summarize the negative comments, you started with the smart-ass remark about Macy's in post #6, called me egocentric in post #10, in post #15 was the smug urban liberal bit as well as insults to classical musicians needing to work at McDonalds and referring to St. Paul as the ugly sister. You insult St. Paul councilmembers in both posts #10 and #15, referring to them as idiots.
Now I don't really care about insulting third parties in such discussions because neither of us really needs to defend someone who isn't in this discussion anyway. And I don't terribly mind insults to the city itself.
My only real beef is when you attack me personally in the middle of all of this. You feel I am an egocentric, smug urban liberal. Now I re-read all of the posts and washing away the smart-ass comments from both of us it reveals that I never made any comment about you personally, but you have about me and when you make such generalizations these discussions go nowhere.
I said your defense of St Paul showed egocentricism. Look up the definition. A feeling that the place one is from is the best. Hardly an insult, mostly a true term to you, and many of us. I have no attachment for Burnsville, I didn't grow up there,etc, so my egocentricism is likely more toward the southern suburbs, but more likely Dakota County in general. As for the smug remark, you implied that you in the city were better than us in the suburbs because you could bike or walk. You ripped on the school district that my children might have gone to school at, and picked on things that are personal to my family. If you want to return to a civil discussion I am OK with that.

I am against Coleman and any Democrat that would run in St Paul because they ask for too many subsidies from the rest of the state.

As for insulting councilmembers of St Paul, Thune is a complete loon. Just look at many of his statements, I can pull some up for you if you want proof.

I have other issues with Helgen that will take far more characters than these posts allow.

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<quoted text>I said your defense of St Paul showed egocentricism. Look up the definition. A feeling that the place one is from is the best. Hardly an insult, mostly a true term to you, and many of us. I have no attachment for Burnsville, I didn't grow up there,etc, so my egocentricism is likely more toward the southern suburbs, but more likely Dakota County in general. As for the smug remark, you implied that you in the city were better than us in the suburbs because you could bike or walk. You ripped on the school district that my children might have gone to school at, and picked on things that are personal to my family. If you want to return to a civil discussion I am OK with that.
I am against Coleman and any Democrat that would run in St Paul because they ask for too many subsidies from the rest of the state.
As for insulting councilmembers of St Paul, Thune is a complete loon. Just look at many of his statements, I can pull some up for you if you want proof.
I have other issues with Helgen that will take far more characters than these posts allow.
Here's the deal: I never said I thought St. Paul was the greatest place on Earth, so you saying I "implied" that is one you, not me. Also egocentrism is about one's self-worth, one's own ego, not a feeling that where one lives is somehow greater, so that doesn't even fit. As for Thune, I've met him, so I know he's a complete a-hole. As I said, I don't care if you insult him because neither of us needs to defend a third party. You need to read my posts with more depth. You keep stating things from my posts that are contrary to what I actually wrote. I don't live in Thune's Ward or even Helgens.

As for the school district, if you're really insulted by it, think about this: early on I stated I grew up Burnsville, which means I went to ISD 191 schools. My criticism hurts my background as much as it insults you or your family. Depth.
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Here's the deal: I never said I thought St. Paul was the greatest place on Earth, so you saying I "implied" that is one you, not me. Also egocentrism is about one's self-worth, one's own ego, not a feeling that where one lives is somehow greater, so that doesn't even fit. As for Thune, I've met him, so I know he's a complete a-hole. As I said, I don't care if you insult him because neither of us needs to defend a third party. You need to read my posts with more depth. You keep stating things from my posts that are contrary to what I actually wrote. I don't live in Thune's Ward or even Helgens.
As for the school district, if you're really insulted by it, think about this: early on I stated I grew up Burnsville, which means I went to ISD 191 schools. My criticism hurts my background as much as it insults you or your family. Depth.
I voted for the Democrat that lived in his mother's basement over Kautz two elections ago and Willenberg this time. I am dead set against the use of TIF to "revitalize". I lived in St Paul for a couple of years, and it drove me nuts.

Egocentricism was the wrong choice of words, sorry. I will have to find the one I wanted that says 'homer".

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Trust me, alot in St. Paul drives me nuts as well. Thune, Helgen, and Bostrom are a part of this good ol' boys club of DFLers that have dominated this city's politics for too long. I cut my political chops in Minneapolis, where this kind of political BS is more rare and I moved to St. Paul 2 years ago to find something I didn't expect. Unfortunately this little insiders club is dying a slower death than it should and its shutting younger activists with more reasonable approaches to things. On the Eastside things are a bit different simply because of demographics and Bostrom will have to deal with that if he wants long-term electoral success.

Back to original issue of LGA, I tend to view things like sports arenas as regional economic drivers so while the state subsidizes it, it benefits more than just the local community or city that its in. Similar to the businesses and corporations that are subsidized within St. Paul and Minneapolis much more so, the economic drivers of those businesses are regional because people come from outside of the city to both shop there and work there. When it comes to transit, I'll give you some room to complain, because I feel that much of the transit subsidies have been spent within the cities while much of the congestion remains in the suburbs. Our transit planning hasn't been as regional as it should be in my opinion.

I live in St. Paul because I like the diversity of people and neighborhoods plain and simple. When I lived in the suburbs it took forever to get anywhere and as much as I tried to get to know my neighbors, they wanted no part of it. I know my neighbors in St. Paul and yes some of them are 'eccentric' but I have to accept that. I understand the desire to be in a safe community outside of the city. I have a child as well, but I feel that all of us need to think more in a regional sense. It should more about the Metro and less about the cities themselves. And honestly, I look back on Burnsville with more nostalgia than contempt. My criticisms of Kautz come more from conservative buddy who still lives in Burnsville and has remained politically active in the Second District as a whole.

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