Suburbs balk at new bus rules

Suburbs balk at new bus rules

There are 126 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Aug 30, 2010, titled Suburbs balk at new bus rules. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Ever ridden on a coach bus in Apple Valley or Maple Grove? You probably found it to be a roomier, more comfortable ride than the Metro Transit buses that operate in downtown St.

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jct

Minneapolis, MN

#27 Aug 31, 2010
jmman wrote:
Uh, Duh! How about bringing inner city buses up to the standards of the suburbs! That way everybody wins. Also, how about electing the Met Council instead of the stupid way they appoint them now!
The suburbs have a longer ride, nicer buses will be appreciated and are coming in to go to work -- I bet 99% are. Whereas many inner city are just using as general transportation for short jaunts, some for work, many not. Comfort is not as important for a few mile ride.

Since: Aug 10

Chicago, IL

#28 Aug 31, 2010
The Real Whatever wrote:
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Where have any of these people mentioned race? They mentioned loudmouthed youths, but I don't see any race. Yet again, the first one to accuse everyone else of racism is the first to mention race, three times. Is anyone but me keeping track of how often this happens?
It's just an easy convenient alibi to avoid facing reality when confronted with FACTS. When you can't justify it or truthfully explain it, throw out the race card and everyone retreats.
suburban

United States

#29 Aug 31, 2010
Sam wrote:
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What, the truth hurts?
Deal with it, thugs s-u-c-k!!!
you truely are a racists, bigot, just about all the government workers that work in the cities are of the white race, that goes for state, county, city, and schools, bus drivers and so on, lays off this government workers and you will see mass suburban people lose their homes and you will also see people homless and on government asisstant like in the cities.
suburban

United States

#30 Aug 31, 2010
jct wrote:
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The suburbs have a longer ride, nicer buses will be appreciated and are coming in to go to work -- I bet 99% are. Whereas many inner city are just using as general transportation for short jaunts, some for work, many not. Comfort is not as important for a few mile ride.
are your saying you don`t work, at least your honest.
what the

United States

#31 Aug 31, 2010
Josef S wrote:
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I guess you either:
1) don't know your numbers.
2) you didn't bother to read the article.
3) you don't understand English.
The article says that the suburban riders provide 6% of the fares but receive 15% of the appropriations. Furthermore, "inner city" fares average a fare subsidy or $2.26 while suburban fares average $4.03.
Additionally, under current rules, the state owns the buses purchased by Metro Transit with state money but the private providers own the buses purchased with state money.
So who's getting the better deal from this welfare giveaway?
Or is it too complicated for folks like you to understand...
I ride the city bus a little over 1 mile and it costs me $2.25, a suburban individual rides the bus for maybe 30 miles and it costs $4.03, you suburban people better pay more or ride your cars, gas $2.70 a gallon and parking about 12 to 16 dollars a day.

Since: Jun 09

Lincoln, NE

#32 Aug 31, 2010
I rode the bus one winter to see if it was easier. I had a small car at the time, so 20 mile drive would have actually cost about the same or even less per day than riding the bus, which then was $2.50 each way,$5.00 per day. It would have been less than 1 1/2 gallons of gas per day, which even at the highest prices of gas came to around $5.25. The fare has now increased to $3.00 each way, and the car I have now would use less than a gallon each way, which would come to no more than $5.00 per day. On top of that, if your connecting bus is late, you have to wait an additional half hour downtown to catch your express route. During that time, you must deal with panhandlers, drunk people, swearing, gang members and the like. I once even saw a guy pee in the drain in the shelter we were waiting in to keep warm. Plus it takes an hour and half to get to and from work, where it never takes that long in the worst traffic in a car.

So basically, I would have to pay more to get to work and put up with a heck of a lot more inconvenience. The system is inconvenient because the Met Council made it that way by poor planning. Now they want more control. Making it more inconvenient and unpleasant for those in the suburbs is in effect cutting off your nose to spite your face.

But I guess that's the way government will do ya.
what the

United States

#33 Aug 31, 2010
WOW wrote:
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If $2.25 is too much to pay......ride a bike!
I`m 62 years old and in ill health due to working over 45 years, but when I was young and healthy I use to ride my bike to work and walk alot, now old age and illness has caught up with me.
S D Salinsky

Saint Paul, MN

#34 Aug 31, 2010
E_Fudd wrote:
"if my taxpayers are paying for their Cadillac service, then I want Cadillac service for my taxpayers, too"
OK, since we are going down this road, let's look at the funding disparity of the urban/suburban school systems, LGA etc. We make it all even and see where we are at.
You may call it redistribution of wealth we call it fairness! Give the people in the intercity the homes in the suburbs, let the people in the intercity send their children to schools in the suburbs! Its time to share the wealth!

Since: Aug 10

Chicago, IL

#35 Aug 31, 2010
what the wrote:
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I ride the city bus a little over 1 mile and it costs me $2.25, a suburban individual rides the bus for maybe 30 miles and it costs $4.03, you suburban people better pay more or ride your cars, gas $2.70 a gallon and parking about 12 to 16 dollars a day.
So are you going to address the disparity on school funding? What various cities get versus what their residents pay in taxes? Or, is this just another race card argument?
Maverick

Reston, VA

#36 Aug 31, 2010
suburban wrote:
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your kidding! right!, your little city doesn`t have enough money to cover all the citiys expenses, your little city would lay off people and cut back on services for the seniors and cut back on projects, which means more people laid laid off, more people in the suburbs would lose their homes.
I see you've changed your name from "white racists bigot".

Idiot.
personal responsibillity

Saint Paul, MN

#37 Aug 31, 2010
The Real Whatever wrote:
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Where have any of these people mentioned race? They mentioned loudmouthed youths, but I don't see any race. Yet again, the first one to accuse everyone else of racism is the first to mention race, three times. Is anyone but me keeping track of how often this happens?
I noticed the "white racist bigot" posts as being the only ones being racist here so far. I think he knows exactly who is causing the most problems on inner city buses and has no alibi or defense other than to cry RACISM. It's hilarious, hypocritical, pathetic and over played at the same time.
Maverick

Reston, VA

#38 Aug 31, 2010
what the wrote:
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I ride the city bus a little over 1 mile and it costs me $2.25, a suburban individual rides the bus for maybe 30 miles and it costs $4.03, you suburban people better pay more or ride your cars, gas $2.70 a gallon and parking about 12 to 16 dollars a day.
Changing your name multiple times to post different idiotic drivel doesn't make you any more palatable.

Idiot.
Gdubs

Saint Paul, MN

#39 Aug 31, 2010
Good Bet wrote:
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People in the suburbs pay more in taxes than the low life city WELFARE SCUM.
All my suburban friends play lower property taxes than I do (SE MPLS). They tease me about it, I tease them about one-way hour long commutes. But, yeah - lots of taxpayers in the city, pal. Lots of welfare moms in the suburbs, too.
personal responsibillity

Saint Paul, MN

#40 Aug 31, 2010
S D Salinsky wrote:
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You may call it redistribution of wealth we call it fairness! Give the people in the intercity the homes in the suburbs, let the people in the intercity send their children to schools in the suburbs! Its time to share the wealth!
Are you being sarcastic or just stupid? Why should I give you everything I have worked so hard for? Did you educated yourself? Did you make good financial decisions? What you want is to TAKE others money. You obviously have nothing to SHARE. We already SHARE every time we get paid with our JOB taxes and everytime we pay property taxes on the homes we earned and pay for. Get a life and quit expecting others to pay for your pathetic detrimental life choices. Really, were you serious?
I Can Relate

Minneapolis, MN

#41 Aug 31, 2010
Living in the Suburbs and working near Downtown Mpls., I tried to ride the bus to and from work for a few months last year, but no more. The cost was only a little less and it took a lot longer, but I was more interested in reducing my carbon footprint, as they say. However, after putting up with the gangs (or gangster wanna-be's), drunks, smelly panhandlers and drivers who refuse to get involved and control these people, I went back to driving my car to work. And now these bus drivers want to strike? For what? They make pretty good money for sitting on their butts all day, driving around the cities and ignoring obnoxious, trouble making passengers. When I was a teenager in the late 70s, I rode two city buses to get to and from high school twice a day. Most people riding buses were not like this then and if they were, bus drivers made them settle down or get off the bus. My how things have changes for the worse.

“Watching the Lemming parade”

Since: Apr 08

St Paul

#42 Aug 31, 2010
S D Salinsky wrote:
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You may call it redistribution of wealth we call it fairness!***GIVE*** the people in the intercity the homes in the suburbs.....
Notice the key word used? "GIVE" homes in the suburbs. Classic liberal nut job. Heck, giving away homes.... Yeah, where do I sign up for THAT program?!! I imagine that your completely "OK" with your taxes paying for this program that your proposing? Right? Or wait, are you one of those growing percentage of people who dont actually pay taxes due to brackets and exemptions? You know that whole "fair" thing creeping up. Oh no, no, I bet your one IN the inner city who would be first in line for that *free* house thats rightfully OWED to you by the rest of us. Which is it?
Johnny Jacob

Minneapolis, MN

#43 Aug 31, 2010
Time for Peter Bell to ride off into the sunset never to be heard from again. Him and his cronies keep pushing shat down our throats.
Not quite true

Owatonna, MN

#44 Aug 31, 2010
suburban wrote:
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you truely are a racists, bigot, just about all the government workers that work in the cities are of the white race, that goes for state, county, city, and schools, bus drivers and so on, lays off this government workers and you will see mass suburban people lose their homes and you will also see people homless and on government asisstant like in the cities.
Have you been to any government offices in recent history in Mpls/St. Paul? Go try to get a birth cert or license plate tabs -- I just did and the vast majority of the employees were immigrants...
More Money - Less Service

Minneapolis, MN

#45 Aug 31, 2010
The opt-out systems were created because the Met Council provided far less transit service to the communities than they were paying for. Once the funding source was changed from property taxes to the motor vehicle sales tax, the proportion of transit funding provided by the opt-out communities likely went up (even though the funding source is now considered "regional" and not "local"). The Met Council lost the political battles over transit control and funding 20+ years when the suburbs had less political power. It would be truely idiotic on the Met Council's part to re-start this battle again.
mmj

Saint Paul, MN

#46 Aug 31, 2010
white racists bigot wrote:
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all my white racists, bigot people are commenting today.
Trash has no color boundries. When people act trashy, they end up living in trash. I am particularly familiar with routes 16, 64, 94, 50 and 265. I testify that the 16 and 64 are very scary to ride. You have to listen to the mouths of the young gangbangers from one ear and listen to a horrible mother swear at their children in the other. People sneak on the bus all the time, and I have seen numerous drug transactions take place. I have also seen weapons on board. I am sorry to say, this behavior is extremely rare on the express buses. So like I said, trash has no color boundaries, but do not expect everyone to be ok with living in it.

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