Suburbs balk at new bus rules

Suburbs balk at new bus rules

There are 126 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Aug 30, 2010, titled Suburbs balk at new bus rules. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Ever ridden on a coach bus in Apple Valley or Maple Grove? You probably found it to be a roomier, more comfortable ride than the Metro Transit buses that operate in downtown St.

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be prepared

West Des Moines, IA

#1 Aug 30, 2010
only one thing can come of this, that the nice buses in the suburbs will turn into the hell buses that the inner city has, all in the name of fairness. spreading the misery equally. they have no intention of getting the nice coaches for the inner city, just punishing the suburbs and making them have roach coaches too!

the suburbs know how to take care of their buses, the riders dont carve up the seats. take an inner city bus and you will see that the riders get what they deserve. when they stop acting like children, maybe they can have a nice bus too!!!!

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jmman

Hutchinson, MN

#2 Aug 30, 2010
Uh, Duh! How about bringing inner city buses up to the standards of the suburbs! That way everybody wins. Also, how about electing the Met Council instead of the stupid way they appoint them now!
yup

Burnsville, MN

#3 Aug 31, 2010
I live in Eagan. If you make the buses less comfortable for people in the nicer suburbs, we will just stop riding them. I know I will. This may sound entitled, but I refuse to ride in a bus that is dirty or uncomfortable. Many of us just won't do it. You want our money, keep it nice and orderly.
How about

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Aug 31, 2010
jmman wrote:
Uh, Duh! How about bringing inner city buses up to the standards of the suburbs! That way everybody wins. Also, how about electing the Met Council instead of the stupid way they appoint them now!
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Lowering Welfare to bring nicer buses to the inner city?
Pizza Boy

Hudson, WI

#5 Aug 31, 2010
As if Alice Hausman gives a crap about inequality in funding. Someone should show her a breakdown of the tax rolls.

If the inner city wants buses like the burbs, then they can pay for their purchase and maintenance with higher fares. There's a reason the main Metro Transit buses have plastic seats.

Metro Transit runs coaches on the Woodbury express route...just wait until somebody sues over that.
Tanaquil

Lindstrom, MN

#6 Aug 31, 2010
I love how nobody actually read the article. The problem is that the suburbs aren't paying for the nice buses either. They used to, but not anymore. Now they are all pulling state money out of the same pool. The suburbs just get to pull more, apparently. Yes, they will have higher costs due to more gas, but that may not explain all of the discrepancy.

And the city buses are not that bad. Good grief. Yes, there is occasionally a little graffiti, but I rode them regularly for 3 years and never saw anything horrifying. If plastic bench seats really bother you that much, just go back to your BMW and stop crying about it.
Pizza Boy

Hudson, WI

#8 Aug 31, 2010
Tanaquil wrote:
I love how nobody actually read the article. The problem is that the suburbs aren't paying for the nice buses either. They used to, but not anymore. Now they are all pulling state money out of the same pool. The suburbs just get to pull more, apparently. Yes, they will have higher costs due to more gas, but that may not explain all of the discrepancy.
And the city buses are not that bad. Good grief. Yes, there is occasionally a little graffiti, but I rode them regularly for 3 years and never saw anything horrifying. If plastic bench seats really bother you that much, just go back to your BMW and stop crying about it.
We read it, we just didn't have the same opinion as you.

The inner city folks would shred cloth seats, so plastic is a good idea.
Copper

Hastings, MN

#9 Aug 31, 2010
Alice is worried about her taxpayers getting a fair shake. Let's talk about how the city of St. Paul gets LGA money Alice. More welfare for the inner city. Let every city pay for itself Alice but the DFL in you would not let that happen.
Shifty

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Aug 31, 2010
I'm with the burbs on this one, leave them alone.
thissucks

Burnsville, MN

#11 Aug 31, 2010
***NEWS FLASH*** This just in. The Met Council after years of research and hundreds of thousands of dollars has discovered that most of the homes in the suburbs are newer, better and worth more than those in the inner city. The council, fearing charges of racism, has now begun to study ways to "junk out the suburbs." Proposals include once a month trash pick-up and lawn mowing. Homes can only be re-painted once every 30 years and banning the replacement of broken windows. Instead broken windows have to be boarded-up, and appropriately covered with graffiti. A spokesman said, "We have more plans in the works, and we will stop at nothing to achieve equality."

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Bobster

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Aug 31, 2010
This is why I will never ride the bus.
the golden eel

Columbus, IN

#13 Aug 31, 2010
thissucks wrote:
***NEWS FLASH*** This just in. The Met Council after years of research and hundreds of thousands of dollars has discovered that most of the homes in the suburbs are newer, better and worth more than those in the inner city. The council, fearing charges of racism, has now begun to study ways to "junk out the suburbs." Proposals include once a month trash pick-up and lawn mowing. Homes can only be re-painted once every 30 years and banning the replacement of broken windows. Instead broken windows have to be boarded-up, and appropriately covered with graffiti. A spokesman said, "We have more plans in the works, and we will stop at nothing to achieve equality."
Awesome.
Sam

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Aug 31, 2010
jmman wrote:
Uh, Duh! How about bringing inner city buses up to the standards of the suburbs! That way everybody wins. Also, how about electing the Met Council instead of the stupid way they appoint them now!
I agree, our mayor of North Saint Paul works for the Met Council making $75,000 per year and lives 1/2 block from a bus route AND drives a car to work..

Do as I say NOT as I do!!!!
again again

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Aug 31, 2010
Equality. Lower the standards so everyone has the same low, miserable service level. Sounds like socialized medicine. Oh, and make sure we start dropping service to the 'burbs (early 1980's recycled) for low ridership, due to... uh, horrible service. What the federal report noted was differences in MAINTENANCE, not appearance, comfort, etc. This is so much, "You can't have what I can't have", it's icredible.
Not quite true

Owatonna, MN

#16 Aug 31, 2010
Tanaquil wrote:
I love how nobody actually read the article. The problem is that the suburbs aren't paying for the nice buses either. They used to, but not anymore. Now they are all pulling state money out of the same pool. The suburbs just get to pull more, apparently. Yes, they will have higher costs due to more gas, but that may not explain all of the discrepancy.
And the city buses are not that bad. Good grief. Yes, there is occasionally a little graffiti, but I rode them regularly for 3 years and never saw anything horrifying. If plastic bench seats really bother you that much, just go back to your BMW and stop crying about it.
How about ending the subsidizing across the board and let the local communities and/or riders pay for their own services directly. That way there is no risk for civil lawsuits because no dollars are being shifted anywhere. If that happened, would there be a single functioning bus in the urban areas? I doubt it. Please be careful of what you wish for...the numbers can be twisted many ways, but in the end you'll see that the bulk of the funding comes from the Eagans and Eden Prairies to pay for the inner city buses/coaches.

Also, before people get too bent about the percentage of wheelage fees being allocated to the suburbs, consider where the bulk of the cars reside.
Bus rider

Cold Spring, MN

#17 Aug 31, 2010
Tanaquil wrote:
I love how nobody actually read the article. The problem is that the suburbs aren't paying for the nice buses either. They used to, but not anymore. Now they are all pulling state money out of the same pool. The suburbs just get to pull more, apparently. Yes, they will have higher costs due to more gas, but that may not explain all of the discrepancy.
And the city buses are not that bad. Good grief. Yes, there is occasionally a little graffiti, but I rode them regularly for 3 years and never saw anything horrifying. If plastic bench seats really bother you that much, just go back to your BMW and stop crying about it.
I agree with you when you say that the story is about the burbs getting more money in comparison to the ridership they draw. I completely disagree with your assertion that Metro Transit buses are not that bad. Have you ever ridden the 5, 16, 22, 21, 19, or 64? Tons of graffiti (scratching the seats and windows), drunk and/or homeless people that defecate on themselves, not to mention the loud, obnoxious youths that scare the living crap out of people. That is why Metro Transit gets plastic is because it gets wrecked because many of the people that ride the buses have ZERO respect for anyone or anything.

Trust me, I ride buses for a living.
Sam

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Aug 31, 2010
white racists bigot wrote:
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all my white racists, bigot people are commenting today.
What, the truth hurts?

Deal with it, thugs s-u-c-k!!!

Since: Aug 10

Chicago, IL

#22 Aug 31, 2010
"if my taxpayers are paying for their Cadillac service, then I want Cadillac service for my taxpayers, too"

OK, since we are going down this road, let's look at the funding disparity of the urban/suburban school systems, LGA etc. We make it all even and see where we are at.
Josef S

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Aug 31, 2010
Pizza Boy wrote:
As if Alice Hausman gives a crap about inequality in funding. Someone should show her a breakdown of the tax rolls.
If the inner city wants buses like the burbs, then they can pay for their purchase and maintenance with higher fares. There's a reason the main Metro Transit buses have plastic seats.
Metro Transit runs coaches on the Woodbury express route...just wait until somebody sues over that.
I guess you either:

1) don't know your numbers.
2) you didn't bother to read the article.
3) you don't understand English.

The article says that the suburban riders provide 6% of the fares but receive 15% of the appropriations. Furthermore, "inner city" fares average a fare subsidy or $2.26 while suburban fares average $4.03.

Additionally, under current rules, the state owns the buses purchased by Metro Transit with state money but the private providers own the buses purchased with state money.

So who's getting the better deal from this welfare giveaway?

Or is it too complicated for folks like you to understand...
suburban

United States

#26 Aug 31, 2010
Copper wrote:
Alice is worried about her taxpayers getting a fair shake. Let's talk about how the city of St. Paul gets LGA money Alice. More welfare for the inner city. Let every city pay for itself Alice but the DFL in you would not let that happen.
your kidding! right!, your little city doesn`t have enough money to cover all the citiys expenses, your little city would lay off people and cut back on services for the seniors and cut back on projects, which means more people laid laid off, more people in the suburbs would lose their homes.

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