Gunman who ambushed firefighters killed grandmother in 1980

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Minneapolis, MN

#1 Dec 24, 2012
Gunman who ambushed firefighters killed grandmother in 1980, police say

Source: NBC News

"The gunman who ambushed four volunteer firefighters, killing two, in upstate New York had spent 17 years in prison for beating his grandmother to death in 1980, police said.

Williams Spengler opened fire on the volunteers as they responded to a blaze just before 6 a.m. ET in a small cluster of homes along Lake Ontario in Webster, N.Y., police said, rocking this close-knit community.

The 62-year-old convicted felon had apparently set a trap, firing on the first responders from atop an earthen berm...

He was convicted of manslaughter in 1981 after the death of his grandmother, Rose Spengler, and was paroled in 1998.

Spengler's 67-year-old sister Cheryl Spengler is unaccounted for, Pickering said. Spengler lived in the house with his sister and mother, Arline, who died in October.

Prior to Monday's shooting, Webster police had not had any run-ins with Spengler since he was paroled, they said.

Police would not say what kinds of guns Spengler used, but as a convicted felon, he could not legally own firearms."

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Minneapolis, MN

#3 Dec 25, 2012
When the Second Amendment was added to our Constitution, Iím quite certain our forefathers did not envision automatic weapons that are only designed to kill other people. I am totally not against the right of any qualified person to own a gun for protection, hunting or just target practice. This is every Americanís right. However, lately this country is becoming a nation of hatred and violence.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#4 Dec 25, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
When the Second Amendment was added to our Constitution, Iím quite certain our forefathers did not envision automatic weapons that are only designed to kill other people. I am totally not against the right of any qualified person to own a gun for protection, hunting or just target practice. This is every Americanís right. However, lately this country is becoming a nation of hatred and violence.
Psychotic,

Did the Old Dead White Guys that created this Republic "Envision" the HAMMER that this Democrat used to bash in his Grandmothers head back in 1980 when the common character traits he shares with you were 1st revealed?

Dishonest, empty, shallow, Demokrats should not be allowed 1st Amendment Rights!....or a vote.
digger

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Dec 25, 2012
So much for enforcing our CURRENT gun laws, this guy was armed to the TEETH. This isn't the NRA's fault. Trace those guns back to their prior/previous owners, and charge them with selling them to a convicted FELON.
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Minneapolis, MN

#7 Dec 25, 2012
Most likely the guns were legally purchased and stolen.

Gun owners aren't the most responsible people around. They seldom keep their guns locked up.
digger

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Dec 25, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
Most likely the guns were legally purchased and stolen.
Gun owners aren't the most responsible people around. They seldom keep their guns locked up.
"legally purchased and stolen"??? Are you serious?? How does a person legally purchase a STOLEN GUN??

Many gun owners are VERY RESPONSIBLE, obviously, you aren't smart enough to KNOW ONE.
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Minneapolis, MN

#9 Dec 25, 2012
Most guns used illegally were stolen.
digger

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Dec 25, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
Most guns used illegally were stolen.
So, what does that have to do with gun show sales?
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#11 Dec 25, 2012
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Most guns used illegally were stolen.
Psychotic,

You did not reply to the ONLY relevant point....Your Co-Traveller killed Granny with a Hammer....Is the issue the Weapon, or people that share your Sociopaths Defects?
2nd amendment fool

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Dec 25, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
When the Second Amendment was added to our Constitution, Iím quite certain our forefathers did not envision automatic weapons that are only designed to kill other people. I am totally not against the right of any qualified person to own a gun for protection, hunting or just target practice. This is every Americanís right. However, lately this country is becoming a nation of hatred and violence.
I'm quite certian YOU don't understand a non-military rifle fires a projectile with the same potential for destruction as a military rifle.

In fact many non-military rifles are much more powerful than military rifles. There is the macho element with owning a black rifle but normal people understand looks don't matter. Many shooters like a black rifle because they were in the military and got used to the military firearms.

BTW, the second amendment doesn't mention hunting or target practice. It is all about common folk defending themselves.
digger

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Dec 25, 2012
2nd amendment fool wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm quite certian YOU don't understand a non-military rifle fires a projectile with the same potential for destruction as a military rifle.
In fact many non-military rifles are much more powerful than military rifles. There is the macho element with owning a black rifle but normal people understand looks don't matter. Many shooters like a black rifle because they were in the military and got used to the military firearms.
BTW, the second amendment doesn't mention hunting or target practice. It is all about common folk defending themselves.
You sure got that right. You can buy a "nice" Remington 7400 in 30.06 *CHEAP* these days. Then, you mount a nice scope on it and buy an aftermarket 10 round clip that fits it like a glove.

Know what you have then? A "magnum" rifle, with a relatively high capacity clip, and eash round has more killing power than 2 or 3 rounds from an AR-15. PLUS, it is quite accurate, and can hit a target at a long range, and still have good stopping power.

But, this rifle doesn't have a pistol grip, flash suppressor, or bayonet lug (when did you ever here of a mass murder committed by a BAYONET??).
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#14 Dec 25, 2012
digger wrote:
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You sure got that right. You can buy a "nice" Remington 7400 in 30.06 *CHEAP* these days. Then, you mount a nice scope on it and buy an aftermarket 10 round clip that fits it like a glove.
Know what you have then? A "magnum" rifle, with a relatively high capacity clip, and eash round has more killing power than 2 or 3 rounds from an AR-15. PLUS, it is quite accurate, and can hit a target at a long range, and still have good stopping power.
But, this rifle doesn't have a pistol grip, flash suppressor, or bayonet lug (when did you ever here of a mass murder committed by a BAYONET??).
At 60 yards I can hit Center of Mass 10 of 10 shots with my Fred Bear Compound Bow. At 60 yards I can hit a soda can 10 of 10 shots with my Ten Point Titan Crossbow.

Unless I am forced to defend my life or the life of my loved ones I will never need to put an arrow in the eye of somebody that threatens.

But I am willing if I am offered no other choice.

Oh, and I can get off 8-10 shots a minute with my Bow.....I gots one of them there "High Capacity Quivers" right next to the Bible I be thumping as I am shooting and while clinging to my arrows!

Ignorant fauching Sheeple!
Liberal fools

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Dec 25, 2012
Consistent wrote:
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At 60 yards I can hit Center of Mass 10 of 10 shots with my Fred Bear Compound Bow. At 60 yards I can hit a soda can 10 of 10 shots with my Ten Point Titan Crossbow.
Unless I am forced to defend my life or the life of my loved ones I will never need to put an arrow in the eye of somebody that threatens.
But I am willing if I am offered no other choice.
Oh, and I can get off 8-10 shots a minute with my Bow.....I gots one of them there "High Capacity Quivers" right next to the Bible I be thumping as I am shooting and while clinging to my arrows!
Ignorant fauching Sheeple!
Like a knife a arrow/bolt killing is silent.

Since: Sep 11

Champlin, MN

#17 Dec 25, 2012
I think the real issue with this case is this: Why would a parole board unleash someone who beat his own grandma to death on the unsuspecting public?

At the very lease he should have been moved to a room with padded walls and a nice white jacket that buckles in the back.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#18 Dec 25, 2012
At the very lease ???
Yeah, you're "entitled" to an opinion... even though you demonstrate stupidity...Superbly ~!
Liberal fools

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Dec 25, 2012
cantmakeitup wrote:
I think the real issue with this case is this: Why would a parole board unleash someone who beat his own grandma to death on the unsuspecting public?
At the very lease he should have been moved to a room with padded walls and a nice white jacket that buckles in the back.
IF you only knew the number of convicted killers who walk the streets.

Then add in the number of level 4 violent offenders now incarcerted in Moose Lake and St Peter institutions. Those level 4 offenders WILL BE RELEASED because phocking Liberatard Lilliehaug think it's wrong to incarcerate anyone for life with no chance of walking free again.

This idea is so phocking stupid i'd be funny if no so sad.
Liberal fools

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Dec 25, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
At the very lease ???
Yeah, you're "entitled" to an opinion... even though you demonstrate stupidity...Superbly ~!
Somebody sqeeze your head?
Liberal

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Dec 25, 2012
Consistent wrote:
<quoted text>
At 60 yards I can hit Center of Mass 10 of 10 shots with my Fred Bear Compound Bow. At 60 yards I can hit a soda can 10 of 10 shots with my Ten Point Titan Crossbow.
Unless I am forced to defend my life or the life of my loved ones I will never need to put an arrow in the eye of somebody that threatens.
But I am willing if I am offered no other choice.
Oh, and I can get off 8-10 shots a minute with my Bow.....I gots one of them there "High Capacity Quivers" right next to the Bible I be thumping as I am shooting and while clinging to my arrows!
Ignorant fauching Sheeple!
Sliting the throat of some fool gun maniac silently would be rewarding.

Since: Sep 11

Champlin, MN

#22 Dec 25, 2012
Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>Sliting the throat of some fool gun maniac silently would be rewarding.
What a lovely sentiment for the season. Do you want to kill everyone who disagrees with you or just the ones who can shoot?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#23 Dec 25, 2012
You own guns to kill, but haven't figure it out yet...right ??? Poor hypocrite, who cantgetitup...

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