Little Falls man man who shot, killed teens heads to trial

Apr 13, 2014 Full story: TwinCities 47

After a central Minnesota man repeatedly shot a teen who entered his home, he dragged the boy's bloodied body into a basement workshop, authorities say, sat down -- and waited.

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Ralph

Saint Paul, MN

#42 Apr 30, 2014
Of course we can look forward to more cannibus use in Minnesota with the Legislature passing the legalization law for "medical" cannibus. Will there be MORE people high on Pot breaking into houses?.Of course we know the answer is YES!! Pot like booze, is a mind altering drug.

But But But the new law only will allow medical use of Pot, for untreatable pain in the arse like a nagging wife.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#43 Apr 30, 2014
Wade Gustafsn wrote:
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What is the MN CC" law?
A hokeowner does not need to wait to see if someone breaking into their home to see if they are armed. Deardy force can also be used to stop a felony. If Smith had shot once and called 911 he would never have been charged.
I agree with the verdict.
And I agree with you Wade. On all points. It is not the homeowners responsibility to wait for an intruder to show their intent, or their weapons. It is perfectly legal to assume their intent is a danger to the homeowners family, property, and anything else and take appropriate action. Especially if you feel your life, or other lives are threatened. Inside or outside the home.(although outsied can be a little trickier in this state) In this case, the shooter was apparently a bit, off. He recorded his conversations with himself, worked far too hard to make sure his attackers were dead and failed to call police as soon as it happened.
So he was convicted.
Wade Gustafsn

Saint Paul, MN

#44 Apr 30, 2014
Ralph wrote:
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Conceal Carry
This case had nothing to do with conceal carry.
Ralph

Saint Paul, MN

#45 Apr 30, 2014
Wade Gustafsn wrote:
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This case had nothing to do with conceal carry.
Did I say it had anything to do with CC?

I simply stated CC training would help in identifying when you can shoot someone without being convicted of a crime.
or maybe

Saint Paul, MN

#46 May 2, 2014
Ralph wrote:
This is a very sad case. Two youngsters who made stupid decisions using drugs and breaking in to a house. An old retired guy who also made mistakes that he should have know were inappropriate. Net result two dead young people missing out on a long life and the old guy sitting in prison for the remainder of his life. I guess the defense attorney makes a bunch of money about the only "winner", lawyers are like stock brokers, they always make money even if their clients lose or win.
Seems to me only a crazy person would do what this old guy did, it's almost like he's a relative of Ed Gein letting the dead kids lay in his work shop and not calling authorities. He would have been better off pleading nuts.
Ed Gein? Seriously?

I am not a gun owner, but believe these rug rats had no business breaking, unlawfully, into this guy's house. You claim you are a gun owner. I previously posted this guy should have called police immediately, and deserves consequences for not doing so.

Other than that, under the identical circumstances, what would you have done?
Ralph

Saint Paul, MN

#47 May 2, 2014
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Ed Gein? Seriously?
I am not a gun owner, but believe these rug rats had no business breaking, unlawfully, into this guy's house. You claim you are a gun owner. I previously posted this guy should have called police immediately, and deserves consequences for not doing so.
Other than that, under the identical circumstances, what would you have done?
The Ed reference was a "bit" of stretch, the only reason that came to mind is that he plugged the man and dragged him into his workshop. Then waited 11 mins for the woman to walk down the steps and plugged her and moved her into the workshop and after seeing her gasping for air he plugged her under the chin to finish her off. Then left them piled up in the workshop overnight, what were his long term plans for the bodies? The guy next door had to convince him to call the Police. He isn't right upstairs at all, gun owner or not, NRA member or not. IMHO and insanity defense would have been a better fit for old Byron.

Having been attacked by an armed intruder I will tell you it isn't fun.

The intruders were clearly violating the law but they didn't intend or anticipate meeting Byron because they had no weapons. They must have figured the house was empty with Byron having turkey elsewhere. That's no excuse for breaking into the house.

If I were Bryon with multiple break ins I would have been armed with cameras and alarms installed. If I was home and heard breaking glass from somebody entering the house I'd dial 911 and confirm my address with dispatch and tell them I'm armed with intruders entering the house. That would get COPs there ASAP. According to CC instructions as a gun owner you should run away from any threat, not stand your ground. I would take cover in my house behind a substantial wall etc and if they entered I'd tell them to get on the floor and if they didn't they may be shot. If they kept coming at me I'd shoot them with my .40 and keep shooting them until they stopped coming at me. My .40 would stop anyone with 1 or 2 shots to the chest. Of course unless you are really prepared after shooting any handgun in a house you can't hear anything.

If they ran away my cameras would have captured their identities for law enforcement. I have multiple high res wildlife cameras around my house that have worked very well in capturing strangers near entryways to my house.

After shooting intruders you go to jail and have to hire a high priced lawyer and pray in your haste to protect yourself you didn't phock up.
Beth

Saint Paul, MN

#48 May 8, 2014
Ralph wrote:
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The Ed reference was a "bit" of stretch, the only reason that came to mind is that he plugged the man and dragged him into his workshop. Then waited 11 mins for the woman to walk down the steps and plugged her and moved her into the workshop and after seeing her gasping for air he plugged her under the chin to finish her off. Then left them piled up in the workshop overnight, what were his long term plans for the bodies? The guy next door had to convince him to call the Police. He isn't right upstairs at all, gun owner or not, NRA member or not. IMHO and insanity defense would have been a better fit for old Byron.
Having been attacked by an armed intruder I will tell you it isn't fun.
The intruders were clearly violating the law but they didn't intend or anticipate meeting Byron because they had no weapons. They must have figured the house was empty with Byron having turkey elsewhere. That's no excuse for breaking into the house.
If I were Bryon with multiple break ins I would have been armed with cameras and alarms installed. If I was home and heard breaking glass from somebody entering the house I'd dial 911 and confirm my address with dispatch and tell them I'm armed with intruders entering the house. That would get COPs there ASAP. According to CC instructions as a gun owner you should run away from any threat, not stand your ground. I would take cover in my house behind a substantial wall etc and if they entered I'd tell them to get on the floor and if they didn't they may be shot. If they kept coming at me I'd shoot them with my .40 and keep shooting them until they stopped coming at me. My .40 would stop anyone with 1 or 2 shots to the chest. Of course unless you are really prepared after shooting any handgun in a house you can't hear anything.
If they ran away my cameras would have captured their identities for law enforcement. I have multiple high res wildlife cameras around my house that have worked very well in capturing strangers near entryways to my house.
After shooting intruders you go to jail and have to hire a high priced lawyer and pray in your haste to protect yourself you didn't phock up.
Good luck with your plan.

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