Eagan OKs purchase of Cedar Grove par...

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#22 Dec 26, 2012
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Eagan, home of Tim Pawlenty. Come for the outlet mall, stay for the eminent domain.
Corporate welfare is always a bad idea. Except for the pols who profit from it. They always seem to make out like bandits. And whatever party they belong to, they are heartily defended as doing what's best for the community by their minions, who then crucify the other side for doing the same thing. As for the rest of us, the construction jobs are temporary, the retail jobs are low paying and provide no benefits, the rents are usually quite high which usually rules out the local mom and pop stores, and the mini-mall eventually becomes run down and draws down property values.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#23 Dec 26, 2012
cantmakeitup wrote:
<quoted text>
Corporate welfare is always a bad idea. Except for the pols who profit from it. They always seem to make out like bandits. And whatever party they belong to, they are heartily defended as doing what's best for the community by their minions, who then crucify the other side for doing the same thing. As for the rest of us, the construction jobs are temporary, the retail jobs are low paying and provide no benefits, the rents are usually quite high which usually rules out the local mom and pop stores, and the mini-mall eventually becomes run down and draws down property values.
Good points, and the issue I see here is you can travel north on Cedar, across the river to the greatest ediface ever build to the the Shopping Gods, the Mall of America. The access into the area is marginal, so I am assuming the infrastructure will need to be upgraded. No offense to Eagan but the hell are you thinking about??
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Dec 26, 2012
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Good points, and the issue I see here is you can travel north on Cedar, across the river to the greatest ediface ever build to the the Shopping Gods, the Mall of America. The access into the area is marginal, so I am assuming the infrastructure will need to be upgraded. No offense to Eagan but the hell are you thinking about??
Paragon got a deal though,$14 million total for land it cost Eagan $40 million to take. There will be 16 acres of land left for development, should sell really well, after all, its next to an outlet mall.

Eagan, come for the eminent domain, stay for the outlet mall.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#25 Dec 26, 2012
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Paragon got a deal though,$14 million total for land it cost Eagan $40 million to take. There will be 16 acres of land left for development, should sell really well, after all, its next to an outlet mall.
Eagan, come for the eminent domain, stay for the outlet mall.
This is strikingly close to the old Northwest Quadrant/Twin City Arsenal issue up in New Brighton/Arden Hills a couple of years ago. I think it cost the Mayor his job and left a lot of city tax payers holding the bag.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#26 Dec 26, 2012
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>This is strikingly close to the old Northwest Quadrant/Twin City Arsenal issue up in New Brighton/Arden Hills a couple of years ago. I think it cost the Mayor his job and left a lot of city tax payers holding the bag.
That almost became the site of the new Vikings stadium, it probably should have, until Minneapolis flexed its bully muscles over Dayton.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#27 Dec 26, 2012
cantmakeitup wrote:
<quoted text>
Corporate welfare is always a bad idea. Except for the pols who profit from it. They always seem to make out like bandits. And whatever party they belong to, they are heartily defended as doing what's best for the community by their minions, who then crucify the other side for doing the same thing. As for the rest of us, the construction jobs are temporary, the retail jobs are low paying and provide no benefits, the rents are usually quite high which usually rules out the local mom and pop stores, and the mini-mall eventually becomes run down and draws down property values.
The purpose of eminent domain is to get land for the good of the public. That includes roads, schools, public buildings, etc. Using eminent domain to take land from one private landowner and give it to another "better" or "preferred" landowner oversteps the bounds of good government. It directly picks winners and losers. I hope the Eagan council pays the price.

“Liberty and Justice for ALL!”

Since: Jun 10

Bloomington, MN

#28 Dec 27, 2012
The purpose of eminent domain is to get land for the good of the public.

Tearing down an abandoned mall and a blighted area to encourage new development - and new tax dollars - IS for the good of the public.
Elmo

Saint Paul, MN

#29 Dec 27, 2012
Le Jumbo wrote:
The purpose of eminent domain is to get land for the good of the public.
Tearing down an abandoned mall and a blighted area to encourage new development - and new tax dollars - IS for the good of the public.
Gawd, you're a dumfuck!

“Liberty and Justice for ALL!”

Since: Jun 10

Bloomington, MN

#30 Dec 27, 2012
You never cease to amaze me with you lack of knowledge, John.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#31 Dec 27, 2012
Le Jumbo wrote:
The purpose of eminent domain is to get land for the good of the public.
Tearing down an abandoned mall and a blighted area to encourage new development - and new tax dollars - IS for the good of the public.
The math -City spends $40 million,(their price) and sells to a private developer for $14 million. I will not argue with the merits of eminent domain, in some cases it is needed, but the math here looks a lot like Obama's plan to fix the deficit!
Scooby Slew

South Saint Paul, MN

#32 Dec 27, 2012
Le Jumbo wrote:
The purpose of eminent domain is to get land for the good of the public.
Tearing down an abandoned mall and a blighted area to encourage new development - and new tax dollars - IS for the good of the public.
That particular use of eminent domain is now illegal under Minnesota law. Taking from the poor to give to the rich, not something I thought you liberals espoused....but then.......
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#34 Dec 27, 2012
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>The math -City spends $40 million,(their price) and sells to a private developer for $14 million. I will not argue with the merits of eminent domain, in some cases it is needed, but the math here looks a lot like Obama's plan to fix the deficit!
Taking land from one private landowner to give to another has no merits. Getting more revenue to fund the tax and spend Dems is the reason the land was taken. It only took 5 years and $40 million to be able to re-sell the majority of the land for $14 million. What is the time value of that $40 million again? Why is an outlet mall a higher purpose than an automotive repair shop, a racing engine building shop, a U Haul franchise, a successful mediterranean themed restaurant, etc? This was a land grab by the City of Eagan, much like Richfield for the Best Buy headquarters. I think those buildings are 60% empty now.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#35 Dec 27, 2012
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Taking land from one private landowner to give to another has no merits. Getting more revenue to fund the tax and spend Dems is the reason the land was taken. It only took 5 years and $40 million to be able to re-sell the majority of the land for $14 million. What is the time value of that $40 million again? Why is an outlet mall a higher purpose than an automotive repair shop, a racing engine building shop, a U Haul franchise, a successful mediterranean themed restaurant, etc? This was a land grab by the City of Eagan, much like Richfield for the Best Buy headquarters. I think those buildings are 60% empty now.
Each instance obviously need to be evaluated on it's own merit. I certainly don't claim to know all the details behind Eagan's move, but elected officials should be held accountable, at the ballot box if no where else, when these type of decisions go south. The right of eminent domain is a tool that must be used judiciously by city councils or states, because even though they have the right, it never looks good, and is normally a PR nightmare. Richfield's move surely improved the city and helped it's tax base tremendously, so I applaud that move.
More NRA Carnage

Minneapolis, MN

#36 Dec 27, 2012
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>The math -City spends $40 million,(their price) and sells to a private developer for $14 million. I will not argue with the merits of eminent domain, in some cases it is needed, but the math here looks a lot like Obama's plan to fix the deficit!
1) The city sold a PORTION of the land (still s owns part)
2) A blighted area was removed
3) Ultimately more taxes will be brought in
4) Thousands of new jobs created
5) This will spur more development bringing in more jobs and more people

So by your reckoning it is a bad thing when the city of Minneapolis buys the crack house off an otherwise healthy blobk, tears it down, and sells the land to a developer?

I'll tell you where Republicans are dead wrong - money is not the only thing in this world.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#37 Dec 27, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
<quoted text>
1) The city sold a PORTION of the land (still s owns part)
2) A blighted area was removed
3) Ultimately more taxes will be brought in
4) Thousands of new jobs created
5) This will spur more development bringing in more jobs and more people
So by your reckoning it is a bad thing when the city of Minneapolis buys the crack house off an otherwise healthy blobk, tears it down, and sells the land to a developer?
I'll tell you where Republicans are dead wrong - money is not the only thing in this world.
You see we finally agree on something, money is not the only thing in the world. Many of my republican friends, as well as my democrat friends have families, go to church, hire employees for their business, pay taxes, all the things one might think you do! Each instance obviously need to be evaluated on it's own merit. I certainly don't claim to know all the details behind Eagan's move, but elected officials should be held accountable, at the ballot box if no where else, when these type of decisions go south. The right of eminent domain is a tool that must be used judiciously by city councils or states, because even though they have the right, it never looks good, and is normally a PR nightmare. Richfield's move surely improved the city and helped it's tax base tremendously, so I applaud that move.
DFL Carnage

United States

#38 Dec 27, 2012
In South Saint Paul the city manager used eminent domain and LGA to build a Community Center. The Center is now empty and the city is scurrying about trying to find a buyer for the White Elephant.

Nothing more wasteful than Government, all they do if a mistake is made is raise taxes.
Scooby Slew

South Saint Paul, MN

#39 Dec 27, 2012
DFL Carnage wrote:
In South Saint Paul the city manager used eminent domain and LGA to build a Community Center. The Center is now empty and the city is scurrying about trying to find a buyer for the White Elephant.
Nothing more wasteful than Government, all they do if a mistake is made is raise taxes.
How is that new government campus in North St Paul doing? North St Paul has some of the highest property taxes per $1000 of value in the metropolitan area.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#40 Dec 27, 2012
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>You see we finally agree on something, money is not the only thing in the world. Many of my republican friends, as well as my democrat friends have families, go to church, hire employees for their business, pay taxes, all the things one might think you do! Each instance obviously need to be evaluated on it's own merit. I certainly don't claim to know all the details behind Eagan's move, but elected officials should be held accountable, at the ballot box if no where else, when these type of decisions go south. The right of eminent domain is a tool that must be used judiciously by city councils or states, because even though they have the right, it never looks good, and is normally a PR nightmare. Richfield's move surely improved the city and helped it's tax base tremendously, so I applaud that move.
SO, you visit my city frequently, but couldn't make a dojo meeting UNTIL YOUR BALLS DESCEND ?? Funny, you've been claiming you left, but now you're just ALWAYS frightened, huh ??? LMAOROTFU~!
Amused at Slew

Saint Paul, MN

#41 Dec 27, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>SO, you visit my city frequently, but couldn't make a dojo meeting UNTIL YOUR BALLS DESCEND ?? Funny, you've been claiming you left, but now you're just ALWAYS frightened, huh ??? LMAOROTFU~!
Why don't you tell us again how you are opposed to the "pool tax" the Republicans want?
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#42 Dec 27, 2012
Sounds right, as long as you piff puff neither regions...

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