Ruben Rosario: Playing catch-up with the stowaway boy and keepaway church

Oct 13, 2013 Full story: TwinCities 8

I leave town for a while and all heck breaks loose in the Twin Cities. A 9-year-old Minneapolis boy evades airport security and winds up on a flight to Sin City.

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PB in Saint Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Oct 13, 2013
I say give the kid's dad a break, maybe he really would like to whup the brat's butt, but is afraid of going to jail in a society that frowns upon punishing a child, then wonders why kids go so wrong.. A couple minor whuppings set me on the straight & narrow decades ago, and I'm thankful for it.
Or, maybe they should just turn the kid over to the Catholic Church authorities.
The church brings much of the disgust on themselves in the way they cover things up in their holier than thou attitude. Maybe people would have a little more faith in the system if these "leaders" were prosecuted for withholding evidence and interfering with police investigations.
There is supposedly a separation of church & state in our government. Too many times, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Oct 13, 2013
PB in Saint Paul wrote:
I say give the kid's dad a break, maybe he really would like to whup the brat's butt, but is afraid of going to jail in a society that frowns upon punishing a child, then wonders why kids go so wrong.. A couple minor whuppings set me on the straight & narrow decades ago, and I'm thankful for it.
Or, maybe they should just turn the kid over to the Catholic Church authorities.
The church brings much of the disgust on themselves in the way they cover things up in their holier than thou attitude. Maybe people would have a little more faith in the system if these "leaders" were prosecuted for withholding evidence and interfering with police investigations.
There is supposedly a separation of church & state in our government. Too many times, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Many folks need to learn that spanking in Minnesota IS legal. As long as it does not reach abuse levels. As well as the one administering it does not do it out of anger.
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http://jonathanturley.org/2008/06/01/get-the-... Parents across Minnesota this morning are searching for switches. The state supreme court has held that parents who spanked their son with a paddle did not commit a crime.
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http://deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com/2008... Good news for parents who fear being locked up for swatting their kids: the Minnesota Supreme Court has ruled it's okay to spank.
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As for 'holier than thou' attitudes. Better take a look at the Protestant Sects. They too also have that attitude. And the Protestant Sects have a higher rate of abuse.
GreenBay Troll

Hanoi, Vietnam

#5 Oct 13, 2013
GreenBay Troll wrote:
<quoted text>Sangelia had many a picture of bare but spankings on her computer. She blamed her husband.
She is guilty

“We have 545 traitors.”

Since: May 11

Parts Unknown

#6 Oct 13, 2013
PB in Saint Paul wrote:
I say give the kid's dad a break, maybe he really would like to whup the brat's butt, but is afraid of going to jail in a society that frowns upon punishing a child, then wonders why kids go so wrong.. A couple minor whuppings set me on the straight & narrow decades ago, and I'm thankful for it.
Or, maybe they should just turn the kid over to the Catholic Church authorities.
The church brings much of the disgust on themselves in the way they cover things up in their holier than thou attitude. Maybe people would have a little more faith in the system if these "leaders" were prosecuted for withholding evidence and interfering with police investigations.
There is supposedly a separation of church & state in our government. Too many times, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Yes, what that kid needs is some good old sexual abuse by those Catholics. That will teach him.

What is this, the first difficult child on earth? They used to go to military school and get their spirit broken. Either way, it isn't up to the rest of us to do the job this father is supposed to do.
PB in Saint Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Oct 14, 2013
Blern wrote:
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Yes, what that kid needs is some good old sexual abuse by those Catholics. That will teach him.
What is this, the first difficult child on earth? They used to go to military school and get their spirit broken. Either way, it isn't up to the rest of us to do the job this father is supposed to do.
My comment re the church was facetious .... I agree 100% it's his parents' problem, not ours. And I think it's ridiculous we are even hearing about it. "News" is not what it used to be.
PB in Saint Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Oct 14, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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Many folks need to learn that spanking in Minnesota IS legal. As long as it does not reach abuse levels. As well as the one administering it does not do it out of anger.
.
http://jonathanturley.org/2008/06/01/get-the-... Parents across Minnesota this morning are searching for switches. The state supreme court has held that parents who spanked their son with a paddle did not commit a crime.
.
http://deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com/2008... Good news for parents who fear being locked up for swatting their kids: the Minnesota Supreme Court has ruled it's okay to spank.
.
As for 'holier than thou' attitudes. Better take a look at the Protestant Sects. They too also have that attitude. And the Protestant Sects have a higher rate of abuse.
So, who decides if it reaches abuse level, and/or if the parent is doing it out of anger? Do they need to bring in a cop to watch the spanking?
Parents should be responsible for their children, and should be allowed to be responsible for them.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Oct 14, 2013
PB in Saint Paul wrote:
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So, who decides if it reaches abuse level, and/or if the parent is doing it out of anger? Do they need to bring in a cop to watch the spanking?
Parents should be responsible for their children, and should be allowed to be responsible for them.
When the discipline starts to leave bruises. As well as the child becomes afraid of you. Then it is way past time to realize that it is no longer spanking, but abuse
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As for it being out of anger. That is when it can escalate very easily to abuse without the parent realizing that they might be going too far in how many times and as well as how hard they are hitting. It is too easy to go into abusive levels when the parent does not have control over their anger.
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http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-paul-j-dean... Of course, even when we spank, we must do so in love and not out of anger.
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http://www.wikihow.com/Include-Spanking-in-Ch... Cool off first. If you are angry, do not attempt to give your child a spanking. Tell them you need to think about this for a while and let yourself cool off and then re-evaluate the situation.
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Best type is at most a couple of swats to the rump. Also explain WHY your offspring is getting swatted just before or right after it. As well as talk about alternatives to that child's behavior on how THEY could change themselves into behaving better to avoid future swats for the same type of action.
PB in Saint Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Oct 15, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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When the discipline starts to leave bruises. As well as the child becomes afraid of you. Then it is way past time to realize that it is no longer spanking, but abuse
.
As for it being out of anger. That is when it can escalate very easily to abuse without the parent realizing that they might be going too far in how many times and as well as how hard they are hitting. It is too easy to go into abusive levels when the parent does not have control over their anger.
.
http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-paul-j-dean... Of course, even when we spank, we must do so in love and not out of anger.
.
http://www.wikihow.com/Include-Spanking-in-Ch... Cool off first. If you are angry, do not attempt to give your child a spanking. Tell them you need to think about this for a while and let yourself cool off and then re-evaluate the situation.
.
Best type is at most a couple of swats to the rump. Also explain WHY your offspring is getting swatted just before or right after it. As well as talk about alternatives to that child's behavior on how THEY could change themselves into behaving better to avoid future swats for the same type of action.
I understand all that, but there's still the question: who makes those judgements? A bad kid can accuse anyone of anything and get the accused into a whole lot of hassles and trouble with the law, even if the accusation is totally unjustified. I think nowadays many parents choose to let bad behavior go to avoid the possible hassles, and I can't say that I blame them.

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