One-Minute Poetry Slam Eviscerates Michele Bachmann's Bigotry

Apr 16, 2013 Full story: Advocate 497

A finalist in the 2013 Women of the World Poetry Slam has a few powerful words for Minnesota Rep.

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“Happiness comes through giving”

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#414 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>I thought so, it is the Church you have an issue with. Ok, how does the Catholic Church discrimate against woman? Or better yet the current laws of the US?
This should be very interesting!
When women are allowed to become priests, you may have a point.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#415 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>I have prayed every night for the past several years for that statement to be true
Hope your God heard and realized the failure she created....

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#416 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text> no i have a problem with cults trying to impose their stone-age myths on the real world. be a bigot in your church...i don't care.
if a business prevented women from being a priest or a CEO, they would be sued, but your cult can do it in your tax subsidized churches all you want.
your false scenario was proven to not come true before you were told to parrot it...
So, your response is you have nothing but the fact the Church doesn't allow woman to be priest? You do know there are private clubs in this country that still do not allow woman members? You know that many religious sects don't allow woman to show their face or get an education! Yet the Catholic Church has granted Sainthood to more woman. Has give Blessed Virgin Mary the most visible of positions in the Church after Jesus. Sorry, your example is weak.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#417 Apr 24, 2013
Your making excuses is weakest... Of course, you're not the brightest bulb in any room....

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#418 Apr 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>When women are allowed to become priests, you may have a point.
Woman have not been priests in the RCC since it's inception. There are very few, if any concerns about it from other countries, such as Spain or Portugual. Why do Americans have an issue?

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#419 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Woman have not been priests in the RCC since it's inception. There are very few, if any concerns about it from other countries, such as Spain or Portugual. Why do Americans have an issue?
I'm speaking for me, not "Americans", though I'm sure the question arises here and elsewhere too. You inquired how women were discriminated against in the Catholic Church. I simply pointed out one example, in a reportorial rather than an opinionated way. It is a simple fact that the Church bars women from being priests. That other Catholics don't mind does not make it any less discriminatory.

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#420 Apr 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What you suggest is a possibility. If the Church were to win the case, so be it. I would personally hope they'd lose.
You first sentence in this post makes my previous point. The law trumps any church tenet or alleged freedom that does not comply with the law.
I disagree with your assertion that religious freedoms have been impinged upon by the administration, or by Obamacare. What you are pointing out is a perfect example of the law being the final word. The Affordable Care Act is law, and if the Church chooses to disobey that law, that is not a "freedom" the Church has any right to claim.
I think it's a simple fact that, in the U.S., the Church has to operate within the confines of the law. It has no freedoms beyond that, whether they come from "on high", or from some scribe with too much time on his hands.
We will have to agree to disagree. When the law imposes demands on a religion that are in direct opposition to its beliefs, I call that impingement.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#421 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>So, your response is you have nothing but the fact the Church doesn't allow woman to be priest? You do know there are private clubs in this country that still do not allow woman members? You know that many religious sects don't allow woman to show their face or get an education! Yet the Catholic Church has granted Sainthood to more woman. Has give Blessed Virgin Mary the most visible of positions in the Church after Jesus. Sorry, your example is weak.
yes, private clubs can also get away with it. this does not detract from the proven point that your religious cult is in no way threatened from practicing its bigotry within the confines of the church by any US laws.

no, my example is spot on. your made up scenario was proven to be false before you parroted it and you just proved it to be false also.

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#422 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>We will have to agree to disagree. When the law imposes demands on a religion that are in direct opposition to its beliefs, I call that impingement.
I call it victory over the Church's desire to overstep its bounds. Anyway, nice chatting with you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#423 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>We will have to agree to disagree. When the law imposes demands on a religion that are in direct opposition to its beliefs, I call that impingement.
no law has imposed upon your religious right. only when the church plays in the real world do those laws affect them. it is that church's choice to open hospitals or universities or such.

you may disagree all you want, but the facts are the facts regardless of your opinion or feelings about them.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#424 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text> You know that many religious sects don't allow woman to show their face or get an education!
yes, the othrer sects of your abrahamic cult. great that you worship the same god, huh?

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#425 Apr 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I call it victory over the Church's desire to overstep its bounds. Anyway, nice chatting with you.
As with you, I enjoy an intelligent exchange

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#426 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no law has imposed upon your religious right. only when the church plays in the real world do those laws affect them. it is that church's choice to open hospitals or universities or such.
you may disagree all you want, but the facts are the facts regardless of your opinion or feelings about them.
Woody: Fact, the first amendment of the Constitution grants all of us freedom of religion. All religious institutions are granted tax-exemption, not just the Catholic Church. Why? I don’t have an answer; I wasn’t around at the time the laws were imposed. Your right the Catholic Church opened not only hospitals and universities, but also elementary and secondary schools. These are, by law, also tax –exempt entities. If the United States Government wishes to change those laws, they have the power to do so. I would suggest, if you are that impassioned about it, to write your congressional delegation and see what they can do for you. Fact: The Catholic Church was the first to offer education to woman and children of the poor in Europe, a tradition they carried over to this country. Fact: Catholic Charities is one of the largest single charitable organizations in the country. The Catholic Church has been “playing” in the real world much longer the United States has been a country. No statement was made about imposing on religious rights. The statement was, the enactment of the Affordable Health Care Act had provisions that were counter to the belief of the Catholic Church. That is a fact! No opinion, just fact!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#427 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Woody: Fact, the first amendment of the Constitution grants all of us freedom of religion. All religious institutions are granted tax-exemption, not just the Catholic Church. Why? I don’t have an answer; I wasn’t around at the time the laws were imposed. Your right the Catholic Church opened not only hospitals and universities, but also elementary and secondary schools. These are, by law, also tax –exempt entities. If the United States Government wishes to change those laws, they have the power to do so. I would suggest, if you are that impassioned about it, to write your congressional delegation and see what they can do for you. Fact: The Catholic Church was the first to offer education to woman and children of the poor in Europe, a tradition they carried over to this country. Fact: Catholic Charities is one of the largest single charitable organizations in the country. The Catholic Church has been “playing” in the real world much longer the United States has been a country. No statement was made about imposing on religious rights. The statement was, the enactment of the Affordable Health Care Act had provisions that were counter to the belief of the Catholic Church. That is a fact! No opinion, just fact!
yes, i clearly understand the first amendment. it is you that seems unclear on it by making your silly, already proven wrong arguments about churches having to marry SS couples!

you stated that the laws were imposing on their religious freedom, it is not in any way.

whey do you continually make false points, and then when they are proven false to you, you try to change what you said?

it seems attempting to defend your cult is beyond your abilities...(don't worry, it is beyond anyone's abilities...)

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#428 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, i clearly understand the first amendment. it is you that seems unclear on it by making your silly, already proven wrong arguments about churches having to marry SS couples!
you stated that the laws were imposing on their religious freedom, it is not in any way.
whey do you continually make false points, and then when they are proven false to you, you try to change what you said?
it seems attempting to defend your cult is beyond your abilities...(don't worry, it is beyond anyone's abilities...)
Last time, Woody, because you obviously are so pissed off at the Catholic Church for something, you are having issues keeping the argumentation straight. I laid out a potential scenario, POTENTIAL scenario of what could, COULD, happen if the Gay Marriage becomes the law in Minnesota. Not saying it is going to happen, I am saying, given enough money and the right publicity, it could potentially happen. The Affordable Health Care Act, When is was enacted, did, by forcing Religious Organizations to pay for health coverage which included coverage of birth control measures. As of today, I am not sure that it is still in effect, but my comment as to it being an infringement or impingement on the religious organizations is a fact! They were or would be forced to do something directly opposite of their beliefs. Nowhere did I make a false statement or point about my Church. Perhaps if you talked to a professional you could get over this general hatred you have about religion and Catholics. Praying for you Woody!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#429 Apr 24, 2013
When she misspells neither to prove a teacher cannot educate her... it's a sign of REAL STUPIDITY !!!!

Try talking about investing, she's a REAL HOOT, there.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#430 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Last time, Woody, because you obviously are so pissed off at the Catholic Church for something, you are having issues keeping the argumentation straight. I laid out a potential scenario, POTENTIAL scenario of what could, COULD, happen if the Gay Marriage becomes the law in Minnesota. Not saying it is going to happen, I am saying, given enough money and the right publicity, it could potentially happen. The Affordable Health Care Act, When is was enacted, did, by forcing Religious Organizations to pay for health coverage which included coverage of birth control measures. As of today, I am not sure that it is still in effect, but my comment as to it being an infringement or impingement on the religious organizations is a fact! They were or would be forced to do something directly opposite of their beliefs. Nowhere did I make a false statement or point about my Church. Perhaps if you talked to a professional you could get over this general hatred you have about religion and Catholics. Praying for you Woody!
and i clearly showed you how and why it cannot.

it is what you were told to parrot to further your cult's bigotry. it has been proven to not come true already and it can't unless we eliminate the first amendment.

i have no more problem with the catholic church than any other sect of your cult or any religious cult at all for that matter.

my objections to religious cults are based on facts.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#431 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Last time, Woody, because you obviously are so pissed off at the Catholic Church for something, you are having issues keeping the argumentation straight. I laid out a potential scenario, POTENTIAL scenario of what could, COULD, happen if the Gay Marriage becomes the law in Minnesota. Not saying it is going to happen, I am saying, given enough money and the right publicity, it could potentially happen. The Affordable Health Care Act, When is was enacted, did, by forcing Religious Organizations to pay for health coverage which included coverage of birth control measures. As of today, I am not sure that it is still in effect, but my comment as to it being an infringement or impingement on the religious organizations is a fact! They were or would be forced to do something directly opposite of their beliefs. Nowhere did I make a false statement or point about my Church. Perhaps if you talked to a professional you could get over this general hatred you have about religion and Catholics. Praying for you Woody!
yes, it may have impinged on their beliefs, but their beliefs are not above the law. they can do whatever they want in theri church, but they do not have the right to do whatever they wish in the real world.

you need to learn that your cult and the real world are not the same thing.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#432 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, it may have impinged on their beliefs, but their beliefs are not above the law. they can do whatever they want in theri church, but they do not have the right to do whatever they wish in the real world.
you need to learn that your cult and the real world are not the same thing.
How many apologies will it take for you to stop being bitter over what a Catholic Clergy-Person did to you?

Life is hard for everyone. Your Victimhood and the "Turning" of you by the Homosexual-Clergy-Person is not Gods Fault! God is not Catholic.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#433 Apr 24, 2013
Breakfast must be completed at the dive bar and "Hertz to be so STOOPID" is on the prowl again.

How long until the mid-morning snack comes?

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