One-Minute Poetry Slam Eviscerates Michele Bachmann's Bigotry

Apr 16, 2013 Full story: Advocate 497

A finalist in the 2013 Women of the World Poetry Slam has a few powerful words for Minnesota Rep.

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Don Joe

Minneapolis, MN

#389 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure they can. i gave you examples.
trade groups of ordinary old businessmen and women can form lobbying groups.
concerned citizens can form lobbying groups.
knowing about your own country is fun!
trade groups? Oh, yes, you mean groups of corporations can write laws for their own profit.

concerned citizens? I suppose if you get enough concerned citizens, they could, like OWS did, yet since they didn't have big money behind them, they could not accomplish anything.

Knowing about your own country is depressing. I would much rather have freedom.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#391 Apr 24, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
trade groups? Oh, yes, you mean groups of corporations can write laws for their own profit.
concerned citizens? I suppose if you get enough concerned citizens, they could, like OWS did, yet since they didn't have big money behind them, they could not accomplish anything.
Knowing about your own country is depressing. I would much rather have freedom.
No OWS did nothing as they had nothing to back them up, idea wise. complaining that you are a failure won't get you much...look what it gets you here!

If your representatives let them write the laws they will. get involved and elect better reps.

who has more influence, the person who, for free, gets in at the grass roots level and picks which pols will be on the ballot, or the parson who writes a $10,000 check to the candidate the other person put on the ballot?

your whining about successful people is just that, whining.

your claim about lobbying shows you have no idea of how your own nation works. most would suggest the two are related.

Since: Oct 08

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#392 Apr 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, you have every right to disgree and protest. But please remember, the church does not dictate the law of the land (thank God!). I for one hope the court acts quickly in favor of gay marriage, so we can get past this petty nonsense, and get on with the continuing process of promoting human freedom.
Would not want the Church to dictate the law of the land, just like I don't want the law of land to dictate to the Church what it can or cannot do. And my friend, that is exactly where the gay marriage law is leading. Once passed, the next thing that will happen, someone or group will file a lawsuit against the Church for the right to be married in the Church. Not to so, would be considered discrimation based on gender/race. The odds are better than 2-1 in favor of this happening. Not fear mongering, just being realistic.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#393 Apr 24, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Definition of EVISCERATE
transitive verb
1)
: to take out the entrails of : disembowel
: to deprive of vital content or force
2)
: to remove an organ from (a patient) or the contents of (an organ)
intransitive verb
: to protrude through a surgical incision or suffer protrusion of a part through an incision
Amerika needs to Lovingly "Embrace" you freaks and the evisceration that you wish on other Human Beings, as the Loving Normal Humans that you Deviated Homosexuals are.
Slam People that have a Faith in the God of the Universe.
YOU have a valuable contribution to make to Gods plan and to Humanity.
Wow.... talk about emotional over-involvement.... THERAPY. check into it.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#395 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Would not want the Church to dictate the law of the land, just like I don't want the law of land to dictate to the Church what it can or cannot do. And my friend, that is exactly where the gay marriage law is leading. Once passed, the next thing that will happen, someone or group will file a lawsuit against the Church for the right to be married in the Church. Not to so, would be considered discrimation based on gender/race. The odds are better than 2-1 in favor of this happening. Not fear mongering, just being realistic.
your false scenario was proven to not come true before you were told to parrot it. try thinking for yourself.

we have a constitution that would prevent such lawsuits. your cult can practice whatever bigotry they wish in the confines of their tax subsidized churches.

yes, you are fear mongering and using a proven false scenario to do so.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#396 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Would not want the Church to dictate the law of the land, just like I don't want the law of land to dictate to the Church what it can or cannot do. And my friend, that is exactly where the gay marriage law is leading. Once passed, the next thing that will happen, someone or group will file a lawsuit against the Church for the right to be married in the Church. Not to so, would be considered discrimation based on gender/race. The odds are better than 2-1 in favor of this happening. Not fear mongering, just being realistic.
Complete and total BULLSHIT. Churches are not required to marry ANYBODY, so yes, you are fear mongering.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#397 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>your false scenario was proven to not come true before you were told to parrot it. try thinking for yourself.
we have a constitution that would prevent such lawsuits. your cult can practice whatever bigotry they wish in the confines of their tax subsidized churches.
yes, you are fear mongering and using a proven false scenario to do so.
What in the constitution prevents such lawsuits? Letís take Gay/Lesbian out of the scenario and insert Blacks. Now, do we have a lawsuit? You would have so many lawyers licking their chops to get into the millions of dollars the Church has, just in property alone! It would make your head spin. It is not a false scenario, nor is it proven, anywhere, to be false, by any authority. It has been a concern, in the Congress of US Bishops for years, 13 to be exact!

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#399 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Would not want the Church to dictate the law of the land, just like I don't want the law of land to dictate to the Church what it can or cannot do. And my friend, that is exactly where the gay marriage law is leading. Once passed, the next thing that will happen, someone or group will file a lawsuit against the Church for the right to be married in the Church. Not to so, would be considered discrimation based on gender/race. The odds are better than 2-1 in favor of this happening. Not fear mongering, just being realistic.
I'm sorry, but America is not a theocracy. The law of the land trumps church policy if there is a conflict. The law has every right to dictate to the church what it can or cannot do if they disobey a law. To take an extreme example, suppose a particular church tells its parishioners that they must kill their firstborn, and they do so. It is an act of murder, subject to criminal prosecution, no matter what that church believes.

Personally, I believe marriage is a legal contract, but not necessarily a religious one. I suppose the church has the right to refuse to marry gay couples. But one would wish the church would come out of the dark ages and grow up.

Since: Oct 08

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#400 Apr 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Complete and total BULLSHIT. Churches are not required to marry ANYBODY, so yes, you are fear mongering.
Today, your right, care to predict the future?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#402 Apr 24, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry, but America is not a theocracy. The law of the land trumps church policy if there is a conflict. The law has every right to dictate to the church what it can or cannot do if they disobey a law. To take an extreme example, suppose a particular church tells its parishioners that they must kill their firstborn, and they do so. It is an act of murder, subject to criminal prosecution, no matter what that church believes.
Personally, I believe marriage is a legal contract, but not necessarily a religious one. I suppose the church has the right to refuse to marry gay couples. But one would wish the church would come out of the dark ages and grow up.
Murder is currently forbidden by law, therefore a non issue. The issue is, if Gay Marriage is now allowed, under law, what prevents the ACLU or any other set of lawyers to challenge the Church's stand against marrying Gays/Lesbians. One could easily see a discrimination suit being filed. Religious Freedoms have been impinged upon already by this Administration via the Affordable Health Care Act. I am not sure you can honestly say this isnít a possibility.

Since: Oct 08

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#403 Apr 24, 2013
NSP Phocker wrote:
<quoted text>
I predict that illiterate teabaggers like you that can't even spell will die off of old age.
At some point, I will, as will you. Are you prepared? OH, Iíll match my education versus yours anytime. I went to school when passing wasn't a social mandate!

Since: Oct 08

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#404 Apr 24, 2013
NSP Phocker wrote:
Maybe it is time for churches to quit being bigoted then.
They call it beliefs, and have been for over 2000 years!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#406 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>They call it beliefs, and have been for over 2000 years!
they are still bigoted beliefs...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#407 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>What in the constitution prevents such lawsuits? Letís take Gay/Lesbian out of the scenario and insert Blacks. Now, do we have a lawsuit? You would have so many lawyers licking their chops to get into the millions of dollars the Church has, just in property alone! It would make your head spin. It is not a false scenario, nor is it proven, anywhere, to be false, by any authority. It has been a concern, in the Congress of US Bishops for years, 13 to be exact!
it would be called the first amendment. and yes, if your church wanted to discriminate against blacks, that would be your cult's right to do so...in the confines of your church.

when church's venture out into the real world, they have to play by the real world rules.

the catholic church right now discriminates against women, against the laws in the US, don't they? yes they do.

your scenario was proven false before you were told to parrot it...

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#408 Apr 24, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it would be called the first amendment. and yes, if your church wanted to discriminate against blacks, that would be your cult's right to do so...in the confines of your church.
when church's venture out into the real world, they have to play by the real world rules.
the catholic church right now discriminates against women, against the laws in the US, don't they? yes they do.
your scenario was proven false before you were told to parrot it...
I thought so, it is the Church you have an issue with. Ok, how does the Catholic Church discrimate against woman? Or better yet the current laws of the US?
This should be very interesting!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#409 Apr 24, 2013
More welfare questions, by the biggest loser.....

We don't exist, to make you as intelligent as normals...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#410 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>I thought so, it is the Church you have an issue with. Ok, how does the Catholic Church discrimate against woman? Or better yet the current laws of the US?
This should be very interesting!
no i have a problem with cults trying to impose their stone-age myths on the real world. be a bigot in your church...i don't care.

if a business prevented women from being a priest or a CEO, they would be sued, but your cult can do it in your tax subsidized churches all you want.

your false scenario was proven to not come true before you were told to parrot it...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#411 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>What in the constitution prevents such lawsuits? Letís take Gay/Lesbian out of the scenario and insert Blacks. Now, do we have a lawsuit? You would have so many lawyers licking their chops to get into the millions of dollars the Church has, just in property alone! It would make your head spin. It is not a false scenario, nor is it proven, anywhere, to be false, by any authority. It has been a concern, in the Congress of US Bishops for years, 13 to be exact!
yes, how 'bout that tax subsidized church property...

how long do you think the basilica in Mpls and the cathedral in St. Paul would belong to the church if they had to pay the going rate on that prime real estate?

why do you need your faith subsidized? is it that weak?

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#412 Apr 24, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Murder is currently forbidden by law, therefore a non issue. The issue is, if Gay Marriage is now allowed, under law, what prevents the ACLU or any other set of lawyers to challenge the Church's stand against marrying Gays/Lesbians. One could easily see a discrimination suit being filed. Religious Freedoms have been impinged upon already by this Administration via the Affordable Health Care Act. I am not sure you can honestly say this isnít a possibility.
What you suggest is a possibility. If the Church were to win the case, so be it. I would personally hope they'd lose.

You first sentence in this post makes my previous point. The law trumps any church tenet or alleged freedom that does not comply with the law.

I disagree with your assertion that religious freedoms have been impinged upon by the administration, or by Obamacare. What you are pointing out is a perfect example of the law being the final word. The Affordable Care Act is law, and if the Church chooses to disobey that law, that is not a "freedom" the Church has any right to claim.

I think it's a simple fact that, in the U.S., the Church has to operate within the confines of the law. It has no freedoms beyond that, whether they come from "on high", or from some scribe with too much time on his hands.

Since: Oct 08

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#413 Apr 24, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
We don't exist,...
I have prayed every night for the past several years for that statement to be true

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