Hitler was not a leftist
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Jan 13, 2013
Hitler was not a leftist

National Socialism had nothing to do with what we term Socialism.

Hitler was a Fascist. National Socialism was/is a Fascist, extreme Right ideology.

Very briefly, and very simplistically:

Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior which were said to be a threat to national survival.



This has NOTHING to do with any gun stuff, but I just read a post made today stating that yes, Hitler was a Leftist. It was not connected to a gun OP in any way.

That is BS. Anyone who says that either really needs to study up on Nazi (even just watch the Military History Channel or read Wikipedia), or they have an agenda.

Hitler was the First Teabagger. Got that? He was extreme Right. All current Nazis also are.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#27 Jan 13, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Hitler was not a leftist
National Socialism had nothing to do with what we term Socialism.
Hitler was a Fascist. National Socialism was/is a Fascist, extreme Right ideology.
Very briefly, and very simplistically:
Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It was designed to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Major elements of Nazism have been described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior which were said to be a threat to national survival.
This has NOTHING to do with any gun stuff, but I just read a post made today stating that yes, Hitler was a Leftist. It was not connected to a gun OP in any way.
That is BS. Anyone who says that either really needs to study up on Nazi (even just watch the Military History Channel or read Wikipedia), or they have an agenda.
Hitler was the First Teabagger. Got that? He was extreme Right. All current Nazis also are.
From Wikipedia on fascism:

Fascism recognizes the occurrence of class conflict, and advocates a resolution to end the division of classes within a nation and secure national solidarity.[8] However fascism publicly favours proletarian culture while it rejects bourgeois culture, due to its association of proletarian culture with economic production and claims that proletarians as producers must have a dominant role in the nation.[9] Fascism claims that cultural nationalization of society emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into a proletarian nation.[8]

Fascism advocates a state-controlled and regulated mixed economy; the principal economic goal of fascism is to achieve autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence, through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[10] It promotes regulated private enterprise and private property contingent whenever beneficial to the nation and state enterprise and state property whenever necessary to protect its interests.

In the first paragraph, just substitute "unions" for "proletariat", and you have the Democratic party's platform.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#29 Jan 13, 2013
So, you have to substitute words, in YOUR proof, to make a point, your proof didn't make ??? Sounds "right", wing nut ???
Not From Iowa

Saint Paul, MN

#30 Jan 13, 2013
Just substitute "right" for "wrong" then it makes sense.

What!?!

Union and proletariat are NOT interchangeable.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#31 Jan 13, 2013
Sure, give the NUTCASE a few minutes and he'll "update" the Urban Dictionary for "his" proof"... LMAOROTFU~!
He starting a "Wing Nuts Against Sand" coalition ??? LMAOROTFU~! Poor NO INTEGRITY...non-sense...
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#32 Jan 13, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
So, you have to substitute words, in YOUR proof, to make a point, your proof didn't make ??? Sounds "right", wing nut ???
I only have to substitute so you can understand, low integrity poster. It says it all in black and white without the substitution.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#33 Jan 13, 2013
Actually, it doesn't, but you are a proven liar, right ??? LMAOROTFU~! Tell us the raise "conclusion", again, non-sense the NO INTEGRITY NUT-SO ~!
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#34 Jan 13, 2013
New rules, word "substitution" in "proof" is ALL-"right" ???


How's your "Wing Nuts Against Sand" coalition coming, MORON ??? LMAOROTFU~! Poor NO INTEGRITY...non-sense...
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#35 Jan 13, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>I only have to substitute so you can understand, low integrity poster. It says it all in black and white without the substitution.
You don't "get" to substitute words, unless they're synonyms, DUMBASS !
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#36 Jan 13, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>
In the first paragraph, just substitute "unions" for "proletariat", and you have the Democratic party's platform.
Do you always lie or is today a special occasion?
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#37 Jan 13, 2013
Here's a little more from Wikipedia:

Position in the political spectrum

There is some dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[33][34][35][36] Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"[37][38] although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[39] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[34] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[35][36] Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

Fascism is considered by certain scholars to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[40][41] Roderick Stackleberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the right, explaining that "the more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[42]

Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[11][12] A major element of fascism that has been deemed as clearly far-right is its goal to promote the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements.[15]
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Jan 13, 2013
"Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#39 Jan 13, 2013
You like Wikipedia?

Here is a little more:

Opponents of gun control often state that past totalitarian regimes passed gun control legislation, which was later followed by confiscation, with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany during World War II, as well as some communist states being cited as examples.[12][13][14] They often cite the example of the Nazi regime, claiming that once the Nazis had taken and consolidated their power, they proceeded to implement gun control laws to disarm the population and wipe out the opposition, and the genocide of disarmed Jews, gypsies, and other "undesirables" followed.[15][16][17] Historians have pointed out, however, that the preceding democratic Weimar Republic already had restrictive gun laws, which were actually liberalised by the Nazis when they came to power. According to the Weimar Republic 1928 Law on Firearms & Ammunition, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were “only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, and—in the case of a firearms carry permit—only if a demonstration of need is set forth.” The Nazis replaced this law with the Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, which was very similar in structure and wording, but relaxed gun control requirements for the general population. This relaxation included the exemption from regulation of all weapons and ammunition except handguns, the extension of the range of persons exempt from the permit requirement, and the lowering of the age for acquisition of firearms from 20 to 18.
The Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#40 Jan 13, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you always lie or is today a special occasion?
This must be a special occasion. You are stealing my name again. Lying is in your blood, Dumbo.

By the way, how do you justify berating others for posting sources that you say are opinion when the "source" for your claim that 'Hitler was not a leftist' is a comment from an radical Leftist on an extremist Socialistic blog?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022182...

Leftists love unions. Hitler was a big union supporter. So is Barry Obama.
Leftists hate citizens being armed. Hitler took away the guns. Exactly what Barry Obama wants to do too.
Hitler and Barry Obama have a lot in common.
The Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#41 Jan 13, 2013
The Truth wrote:
You like Wikipedia?
Here is a little more:
Opponents of gun control often state that past totalitarian regimes passed gun control legislation, which was later followed by confiscation, with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany during World War II, as well as some communist states being cited as examples.[12][13][14] They often cite the example of the Nazi regime, claiming that once the Nazis had taken and consolidated their power, they proceeded to implement gun control laws to disarm the population and wipe out the opposition, and the genocide of disarmed Jews, gypsies, and other "undesirables" followed.[15][16][17] Historians have pointed out, however, that the preceding democratic Weimar Republic already had restrictive gun laws, which were actually liberalised by the Nazis when they came to power. According to the Weimar Republic 1928 Law on Firearms & Ammunition, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were “only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, and—in the case of a firearms carry permit—only if a demonstration of need is set forth.” The Nazis replaced this law with the Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, which was very similar in structure and wording, but relaxed gun control requirements for the general population. This relaxation included the exemption from regulation of all weapons and ammunition except handguns, the extension of the range of persons exempt from the permit requirement, and the lowering of the age for acquisition of firearms from 20 to 18.
Hitler's own words:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country."

-Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426.

Hitler was a big fan of gun control. Barry Obama wants gun control. Facts are not your friend, Dumbo.
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#42 Jan 13, 2013
Hitler was a beer drinker, so is Obama...Oddly they're all 3 men, did you have a point ???
Le Dumbo

Saint Paul, MN

#43 Jan 13, 2013
Consistent wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no clue about history. Hitler was very anti-unionn and quashed all socialist movements in Germany.
Hitler did not disarm his citizens. He had to reason to.
Hitler quashed all socialist movements in Germany the were not Aryan. He was all for the Aryan socialist movement to promote racial purity.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#44 Jan 13, 2013
But the problems with using Hitler's table talk conversations as evidence for Hitler's apostasy are manyfold:

1) The reliability of the source (hearsay and editing by the anti-Catholic, Bormann)

2) The reliability of multiple translations, from German to French to English.

3) The bias of the translators (especially Genoud).

4) The table-talk reflects thoughts that do not occur in Hitler's other private or public conversations.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#45 Jan 13, 2013
Personal ownership of firearms was not restricted for citizens (it was however restricted for registered aliens, i.e. Jews). For citizens, it was encouraged, so much so that Axis partisans typically used standard home-weapons, hunting rifles and shotguns, during the waning days of WWII.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#46 Jan 13, 2013
Consistent wrote:
But the problems with using Hitler's table talk conversations as evidence for Hitler's apostasy are manyfold:
1) The reliability of the source (hearsay and editing by the anti-Catholic, Bormann)
2) The reliability of multiple translations, from German to French to English.
3) The bias of the translators (especially Genoud).
4) The table-talk reflects thoughts that do not occur in Hitler's other private or public conversations.
Yeah, it is much better to take a source that has little credibility than one translated from the original source. Good one, mr low integrity poster.

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