Can't manage the gov & NOT honest or ...

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#249 Jul 11, 2014
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> I'm attacking anything I'm just exposing you and your source as liar's and a fraud,you nothing making sense libby and you're a bad comedian you're not funny,your just silly and stupid as usual,you probably was pretty funny as the class clown in school,that why you're so dumb now.
Call me a stickler, but generally speaking, when you attempt to expose someone and their source as lying frauds, you are expected to put forth some kind of evidence to back up your accusation. Sad as it may seem to you, "because you said so" just does not cut it. It just makes you look that much more the fool.
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#250 Jul 11, 2014
cantmakeitup wrote:
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You mean handing welfare checks to huge corporate entities while their execs and boards of directors collected huge bonuses and stock options. All as payola for union support during the last election. All at the expense of mostly middle class taxpayers.
Yeah!! Good job G. W. Obama.
Not to mention GM has been producing JUNK for the past 20 years. The GM CEO has found blatant cultural problems at GM causing JUNK/dangerous cars to be produced.

Of course this is no surprise to anyone who has owned a GM vehicle, they are JUNK.

Shop Korea or Japan vehicles for reliability.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#251 Jul 11, 2014
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> I'm attacking anything I'm just exposing you and your source as liar's and a fraud,you nothing making sense libby and you're a bad comedian you're not funny,your just silly and stupid as usual,you probably was pretty funny as the class clown in school,that why you're so dumb now.
Translation: Obamabot with low comprehension skills doesn't know an intelligent way to respond to something she doesn't like.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#252 Jul 11, 2014
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> Your republican congress is an equal partner in managing the government,whats the matter the Boner can't even manage his own party or his own drinking problems and your BS polls are not honest or trustworthy you tea party hag lol hahaha your nuttier then a fruitcake Libby.
John Boehner may be forced to drink....due to the partisan and obstructive bullshit he has to put up with from the teaparty House republicans....hell, he even tears up alot.....that's wincing....lol...
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#253 Jul 11, 2014
What arm of Government do you trust?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#254 Jul 11, 2014
Bellweather wrote:
What arm of Government do you trust?
The one that was amputated and tossed in to the Fukushima trash pile that is still floating around somewhere in the Pacific. You?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#255 Jul 11, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> John Boehner may be forced to drink....due to the partisan and obstructive bullshit he has to put up with from the teaparty House republicans....hell, he even tears up alot.....that's wincing....lol...
Let me guess. Because democrats are never, ever, partisan or obstructionist, right?
And there are no wingnuts like some of the so called tea party members in the democratic line up either, right?
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#256 Jul 23, 2014
Sixty-seven percent (67%) of Likely U.S. Voters say America is a MORE DIVIDED nation than it was four years ago.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just seven percent (7%) think the country is less divided now, while 21% rate the level of division as about the same

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_conten...

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#257 Jul 23, 2014
Fox used the Rasmussen Poll, to show us all, how Mitt Romney would be our President......it's a reich favorite.....
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#258 Jul 23, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Fox used the Rasmussen Poll, to show us all, how Mitt Romney would be our President......it's a reich favorite.....
Yes, by now we all know your modus operandi - Can't argue the facts, so attempt to discredit the source. It's funny you didn't also include some other type of deflect...
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#259 Jul 23, 2014
Obama:‘I’m Not Overly Partisan’

The mixed messages aim to cast Obama as being above the fray even as he embarks on one of his most intense fundraising sprees for the Democratic Party.

“I’m not overly partisan,” he insisted Tuesday before 250 donors in a well-to-do lakefront neighborhood in Seattle.“The problem is not the Republican Party per se. The problem is this particular group that has gone kind off the rails.”

“The reason you are here today and the reason I’m here today is because I want a Congress that can actually get the job done,” he continued.

Obama’s fundraising — at least six events over three days in Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles — comes in a week that represented the two extremes of his approach to Congress. On Tuesday he signed a rare piece of bipartisan job-training legislation and hailed it as a symbol of cooperation. On Monday he signed an executive order prohibiting federal contractors from discriminating on the base of sexual orientation, the kind of go-it-alone strategy he has made a keystone of his second term.

Still, the lack of compromise has not only halted progress on a comprehensive overhaul of the immigrationsystem but also raised doubts about legislation to help address an influx of young migrants at the border and to fix the nation’s veterans’ health programs.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/07/23/oba...
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#260 Jul 23, 2014
cantmakeitup wrote:
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The one that was amputated and tossed in to the Fukushima trash pile that is still floating around somewhere in the Pacific. You?
For me it's much easier to identify a level/department of Government that I trust than the ones I don't trust. Said that the Federal Government is 100% untrustworthy. My City, Maplewood, is 100% untrustworthy, the old convicted criminal mayor is a certified convicted criminal. Ramsey County can be trusted somewhat but they waste $$ like drunken sailors. Vadnias Heights wsted MILLIONS on a hockey arena and Ramsey County bailed them out by purchasing the area for County use, How can the County get more revenue out of it than the City? Magic?

Government is wasted!!
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#261 Jul 23, 2014
Bellweather wrote:
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For me it's much easier to identify a level/department of Government that I trust than the ones I don't trust. Said that the Federal Government is 100% untrustworthy. My City, Maplewood, is 100% untrustworthy, the old convicted criminal mayor is a certified convicted criminal. Ramsey County can be trusted somewhat but they waste $$ like drunken sailors. Vadnias Heights wsted MILLIONS on a hockey arena and Ramsey County bailed them out by purchasing the area for County use, How can the County get more revenue out of it than the City? Magic?
Government is wasted!!
Ramsey county bought the facility for 50 cents on the dollar - that should help with the costs.
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#262 Jul 23, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
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Ramsey county bought the facility for 50 cents on the dollar - that should help with the costs.
Is there any demand for services offered by the arena? Getting it for 1/2 price might still be way too much for a ROI. The question is answered before the facility is constructed by a needs analysis and a cost justification. Is it worth 1/2 of the cost? Is it worth anything? The North Saint Paul Community Center went underused for many years before someone said: what does it cost and how many people use it?

If it was a good deal at 1/2 the cost why didn't a private sector firm buy it? Understand, all Government owned facilities pay no taxes, so they are by definition a drain on taxpayers. It would have been much smarter to sell the facility for 1/8 it's value to a private firm and they would pay taxes on the facility AND they would pay for labor etc to keep it running.

Now that the County owns it there will be no taxes paid AND all the labor will be Government labor. Which of course means taxpayers will shoulder the burden of paying for all Government services for the arena AND all the costs of labor will come from the taxpayers.

Welcome to a Socialist USA!
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#263 Jul 24, 2014
Bellweather wrote:
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Is there any demand for services offered by the arena? Getting it for 1/2 price might still be way too much for a ROI. The question is answered before the facility is constructed by a needs analysis and a cost justification. Is it worth 1/2 of the cost? Is it worth anything? The North Saint Paul Community Center went underused for many years before someone said: what does it cost and how many people use it?
If it was a good deal at 1/2 the cost why didn't a private sector firm buy it? Understand, all Government owned facilities pay no taxes, so they are by definition a drain on taxpayers. It would have been much smarter to sell the facility for 1/8 it's value to a private firm and they would pay taxes on the facility AND they would pay for labor etc to keep it running.
Now that the County owns it there will be no taxes paid AND all the labor will be Government labor. Which of course means taxpayers will shoulder the burden of paying for all Government services for the arena AND all the costs of labor will come from the taxpayers.
Welcome to a Socialist USA!
You must not know hockey very well. Ice time is always in very high demand.
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#264 Jul 24, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
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You must not know hockey very well. Ice time is always in very high demand.
Understood, then why did the facility go broke?

Once broke why did a Government agency have to buy it?

I used to play hockey on an outdoor rink with a wood burner for a warming house and the rink was shoveled by the users flooded by parents. We had no, heated locker rooms, zamoni, scoreboard, heated bleachers, plastic over boards, roof overhead, heated rink. And ya we played and had fun. Nowadays we have asbestos insulation on the ceiling, zamboni spewing dangerous fumes, irate "fans" getting arrested for official and coach assaults, etc. Is the game improved?
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#265 Jul 24, 2014
Bellweather wrote:
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Understood, then why did the facility go broke?
Once broke why did a Government agency have to buy it?
I used to play hockey on an outdoor rink with a wood burner for a warming house and the rink was shoveled by the users flooded by parents. We had no, heated locker rooms, zamoni, scoreboard, heated bleachers, plastic over boards, roof overhead, heated rink. And ya we played and had fun. Nowadays we have asbestos insulation on the ceiling, zamboni spewing dangerous fumes, irate "fans" getting arrested for official and coach assaults, etc. Is the game improved?
Since this has gotten WAY off topic, I will sum it up by tieing it back into the root cause. They don't care if they make money. Why would they - it isn't their money. More money is always available from the tax payers. And, what they are doing is for the greater good. You can't have some mites & squirts actually shoveling their own snow of the ice.
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#266 Jul 24, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
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Since this has gotten WAY off topic, I will sum it up by tieing it back into the root cause. They don't care if they make money. Why would they - it isn't their money. More money is always available from the tax payers. And, what they are doing is for the greater good. You can't have some mites & squirts actually shoveling their own snow of the ice.
The topic is on Government honest and/or trustworthy. A discussion of an ice arena constructed by Government gone broke purchased by another Government agency IS right on topic. Can Government be trusted to spend tax dollars?

I'd say NO WAY!!!

Right ON TOPIC!!

People in Government are there in many cases for the wrong reason and would be better off working in the private sector where they have to produce a profit OR they go broke. With those County Comisioners buying an ice arena from a City project is nothing more than Government Welfare. Is there any wonder why taxes are so phocking high. Like you say Government has no concept of producing a profit, they just throw $$ around like monopoly money. IF all of the $$ came ONLY from their back pocket it would be much different!
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#267 Jul 24, 2014
Bellweather wrote:
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The topic is on Government honest and/or trustworthy. A discussion of an ice arena constructed by Government gone broke purchased by another Government agency IS right on topic. Can Government be trusted to spend tax dollars?
I'd say NO WAY!!!
Right ON TOPIC!!
People in Government are there in many cases for the wrong reason and would be better off working in the private sector where they have to produce a profit OR they go broke. With those County Comisioners buying an ice arena from a City project is nothing more than Government Welfare. Is there any wonder why taxes are so phocking high. Like you say Government has no concept of producing a profit, they just throw $$ around like monopoly money. IF all of the $$ came ONLY from their back pocket it would be much different!
The thread was started based off of a CNN | ORC poll about obama...

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/11/2...
Bellweather

Minneapolis, MN

#268 Jul 24, 2014
LIbEralS wrote:
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The thread was started based off of a CNN | ORC poll about obama...
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/11/2...
I'm simple, the heading fits the discussion visa/versa.

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