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By David Catron on 11.11.13

Our progressive friends dislike the taste of their own cooking.

It is wrong, of course, to take pleasure in the misfortune of others. Still, I must confess that I have derived no small amount of schadenfreude from news stories about Obamacare advocates who have been adversely affected by the not-so-Affordable Care Act. It would take a stronger man than yours truly to suppress a smile as the law’s media pimps pule about their canceled health plans, when smug urban progressives get mugged by the reality of “reform,” and lifelong Democrats publicly denounce President Obama as a brazen liar while declaring their intention to become foot soldiers for the Republican Party.

One of the most exquisitely ironic complaints about Obamacare has come from former MSNBC blowhard, Dylan Ratigan. During the debate preceding the law’s passage, this character regularly suggested that we who opposed the Democrat plan to take over U.S. health care were all racists. It appears, however, that this erstwhile scourge of bigotry has now joined the knuckle-dragging enemies of our first black president. Recently, he fired off the following querulous tweet:“I bought a catastrophic health policy for $170/mo when I left MSNBC. Obamacare cancelled the policy. New rate $600/mo. Thnx Mr. President!”

If Ratigan had stopped abusing his opponents long enough to hear what we were saying, he wouldn’t have been surprised by the cancellation. What did he think Obamacare’s authors intended when they stipulated that a plan must provide “minimum” levels of coverage? What did he think the President meant by “cut-rate insurance”? If he had shut up long enough he would have learned the truth, as he himself expressed it in a follow up tweet when he finally pulled his head out of … er … the sand:“I have been a long time advocate of catastrophic with a transparent mkt for routine. Struck me as interesting that that is illegal now.”

Few of the liberals lamenting the loss of their health plans are media types like Ratigan, however. Most are garden variety progressives naďve enough to believe the President’s promise that they could keep their coverage....

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the legacy news media has finally been forced to tell the truth:“Even as President Barack Obama sold a new health care law in part by assuring Americans they would be able to keep their insurance plans, his administration knew that tens of millions of people actually could lose those policies.” Included among those millions is Cathy Wagner, one of 250,000 Coloradans who lost their coverage this fall. CBSDenver reports,“She was a nurse for 35 years and championed Obamacare, until she received a letter from her insurance company saying it was canceling her policy.”

Wagner, like Hammack and Brothers, was shocked.... she was further dismayed to discover that she will now pay 35 percent more for her coverage and be responsible for a higher deductible:“Our premium for next year is going up to over $1,000 a month.” And her words for the man who repeatedly promised she could keep her coverage if she liked it?“Oh my gosh, President Obama. This is not what we hoped for. It’s not what we were told.” Wagner is not merely disillusioned, however. The costs of the required policy are such that she is actually considering going without health insurance.

Some of Obamacare’s disillusioned supporters are taking even more drastic steps. The Seattle Times reports that the President’s brazen perfidy has transformed some Democrats into Republicans:“Bill Fullner has reached his breaking point. It started with the letter from his health-insurance company informing him it was canceling his plan.” When Fullner searched unsuccessfully for an acceptable replacement for his insurance plan, he had a “road to Damascus” moment. Fullner described his epiphany thus:“This whole experience has converted a lifelong Democrat into a foot soldier for the Republican Party.”

“I am always right.”

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Demystifying liberal myth wrote:
Our progressive friends dislike the taste of their own cooking.
It is wrong, of course, to take pleasure in the misfortune of others.
In this instance, there is nothing wrong with taking pleasure in other's misfortune.

The stated goal of Obamacare was to provide 30 million uninsured with insurance at free or reduced prices.

Who the hell did these fools think was going to pay for the free or reduced costs for the uninsured?

Screw them and the horse they rode in on. If you were stupid enough to support this boondoggle, you deserve to pay through the nose.

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IrishMN wrote:
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In this instance, there is nothing wrong with taking pleasure in other's misfortune.
The stated goal of Obamacare was to provide 30 million uninsured with insurance at free or reduced prices.
Who the hell did these fools think was going to pay for the free or reduced costs for the uninsured?
Screw them and the horse they rode in on. If you were stupid enough to support this boondoggle, you deserve to pay through the nose.
That's what they get for listening to Pelosi and not reading the damned thing before they passed it.

Back to my old message. When election time comes, no republicans, no democrats and especially, no incumbents.

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The main person I see crying about the ACA is Irish.

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Snake Dr wrote:
The main person I see crying about the ACA is Irish.
I think you need to look harder Snake. Even a number of ACA supporters on both sides of the fence are coming forward and chastising the administration for lying about people losing insurance or no longer being able to visit their family doctors. And yes, they lied. Plain and simple. Even if they lied because they were ignorant, they still lied. It's all too common in Washington.

It is just plain bad form to vote in legislation when you don't have a clue what is in that legislation. Or just because you can. And voting it in to find out what's wrong with it? Really?

People really need to stop voting for Democrats, Republicans, and most importantly, incumbents.

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Snake Dr wrote:
The main person I see crying about the ACA is Irish.
Snake, you really are foolish.

My insurance is mostly paid for by my company. My company also pays for a percentage of the premiums for our employees. When the rates go up, the employees will pay the differential.

If you are making $50K per year and your insurance costs double, as they will for some in our employ, will you not feel it? Will your kids not go without something as a result? That is part of what infuriates me about this boondoggle.

Obamacare is a scam - always has been and always will be.
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Just a day after former President Bill Clinton urged the White House to honor its “you can keep it” health plan promise, and as more congressional Democraps have added their voices to support action to allow people to keep their existing insurance, MSNBC’s Donnie Deutsch called President Barack Obama’s signature piece of legislation a “quagmire.”

Appearing on “Morning Joe,” show co-host Joe Scarborough asked Deutsch, a Madison Avenue advertising legend, what would happen if General Motors had experienced such a disaster in launching a new car. That’s when Deutsch delivered the devastating verdict:“I think he’s in a quagmire either way, to tell you the truth.”

Is MSNBC’s generally unflinching support of Obamacare experiencing a shift?

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IrishMN wrote:
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Snake, you really are foolish.

Obamacare is a scam - always has been and always will be.
Absolutely correct. I know of someone whose wife will soon be kicked off her husbands insurance, forcing her to go on her own companies insurance, to the tune of about 4 times the cost for her. This may force her to apply for Obamacare, assuming she can qualify, and the cost will probably still be prohibitive since their combined salaries is just shy of $100K.

You would think educated senators and congressman would be smart enough to read something before they sign off on it. But, apparently not.
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remember my liberal socialist friends, NOT ONE REPUBLICAN voted for this un affordable heal care tax, the voters will send a strong conservative message at the ballot box !!

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not a single republican wrote:
remember my liberal socialist friends, NOT ONE REPUBLICAN voted for this un affordable heal care tax, the voters will send a strong conservative message at the ballot box !!
What you say is probably true. But let's not forget that they too are stumping for amnesty for illegals, have done little or nothing to stop the flow of money and weapons to countries like Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, have done little or nothing to prevent the feds from controlling what we eat or drink, etc. They are no better than the democrats. They are all bought and paid for.
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not a single republican wrote:
remember my liberal socialist friends, NOT ONE REPUBLICAN voted for this un affordable heal care tax, the voters will send a strong conservative message at the ballot box !!
What about Rep.Joseph Cato(R)LA he voted for the ACA bill Bagger.
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It has been a good month and a half for HealthCare.gov . They actually signed up 27,000 people through their website! How many million have we spent so far? What is the cost per registration?
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Ernie wrote:
<quoted text>What about Rep.Joseph Cato(R)LA he voted for the ACA bill Bagger.
Cao was a RINO that got voted out of office faster than he got voted in. Currently, no sitting republican voted for the unaffordable care act.

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IrishMN wrote:
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Snake, you really are foolish.
My insurance is mostly paid for by my company. My company also pays for a percentage of the premiums for our employees. When the rates go up, the employees will pay the differential.
If you are making $50K per year and your insurance costs double, as they will for some in our employ, will you not feel it? Will your kids not go without something as a result? That is part of what infuriates me about this boondoggle.
Obamacare is a scam - always has been and always will be.
AWWWW am I foolish?? What a joke you are. The ONLY thing you care about is that some poor people will now be able to aford insurance and you don`t like it.

Maybe under a single payer plan your precious greedy company could have gave their employees a raise because they would have no longer had to pay any portion of the costs.Then your employees could have gotten insurance. No a company like yours would have just pocketed the money.

What suprises me the most is your infactuation with the part of the ACA that involves the exchange. I would have thought you would be more up in arms about the increase of medicaid. Working poor people getting free insurance is more up your alley for something to cry about.
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Snake Dr wrote:
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Maybe under a single payer plan your precious greedy company could have gave their employees a raise because they would have no longer had to pay any portion of the costs.Then your employees could have gotten insurance. No a company like yours would have just pocketed the money.
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More like his company will have to give the employees a pay cut - then they will qualify for a larger healthcare subsidy and more Obama free stuff.
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Cao was a RINO that got voted out of office faster than he got voted in. Currently, no sitting republican voted for the unaffordable care act.
Idiot that not was said Cato (R) voted for the ACA and he lost his seat to a Black democrat fool.
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LIbEralS wrote:
Just a day after former President Bill Clinton urged the White House to honor its “you can keep it” health plan promise, and as more congressional Democraps have added their voices to support action to allow people to keep their existing insurance, MSNBC’s Donnie Deutsch called President Barack Obama’s signature piece of legislation a “quagmire.”
Appearing on “Morning Joe,” show co-host Joe Scarborough asked Deutsch, a Madison Avenue advertising legend, what would happen if General Motors had experienced such a disaster in launching a new car. That’s when Deutsch delivered the devastating verdict:“I think he’s in a quagmire either way, to tell you the truth.”
Is MSNBC’s generally unflinching support of Obamacare experiencing a shift?
Joe S. is a republican and Obama will straight out the ACA
and them whinning cry babies who lost their junk insurance policy
will get them back and watch them cancel there policies and go crying for some Obama care.

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Snake Dr wrote:
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AWWWW am I foolish?? What a joke you are. The ONLY thing you care about is that some poor people will now be able to aford insurance and you don`t like it.
Maybe under a single payer plan your precious greedy company could have gave their employees a raise because they would have no longer had to pay any portion of the costs.Then your employees could have gotten insurance. No a company like yours would have just pocketed the money.
What suprises me the most is your infactuation with the part of the ACA that involves the exchange. I would have thought you would be more up in arms about the increase of medicaid. Working poor people getting free insurance is more up your alley for something to cry about.
You know what Snake? You come after me time and time again. You make asinine accusations about my company and me. Yet you show every time that you know nothing of what you talk about.

You have admitted that you have no knowledge of even basic economics. You demonstrate that you are out of your league when you talk about employees of companies faced with real problems such as gigantic premium increases brought on by Obamacare.

Your little lawn cutting business does not qualify you to speak about anything with authority other than how tall the grass gets before you take your lawn mower out of the back of your pickup truck.

But one thing you are right about, I am mad that moochers are going to cause insurance premiums for middle class working families to double. You see, I care about my employees making a good living, and keeping what they earn rather than having the government redistribute their earned income to those that did not earn it.

Since you are such a big hearted individual, I suggest you adopt a couple of multi-generational welfare families. Have them live at your palatial mansion. Feed them. Pay all of their bills. And save the rest of the hard working Americans from having their pockets picked by the moochers.

Quit being charitable with other people's money.
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I cut grass when I was 10 years old.

Nowadays they have BIG truck, multiple mowers, fat arse and call themselves small business owners.

We've came a long ways.

We used to collect deposit bottles for cash, nowadays they collect with BIG trucks and call it recycling business.

Polishing a turd!!

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