Gabrielle Giffords’ Husband Smacks Down Wayne LaPierre

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Lawton

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jan 30, 2013
Gabrielle Giffords’ Husband Smacks Down Wayne LaPierre

Source: Washington Post

Perhaps the most important moment so far in today’s Senate Judiciary hearing on guns came when astronaut Mark Kelly directly confronted NRA head Wayne LaPierre over the shooting of his wife, Gabrielle Giffords. Between that exchange and another one involving Senator Dick Durbin, LaPierre’s argument was completely unmasked for the sham that it is.

During the hearing, LaPierre repeatedly voiced the talking point that there’s no need to expand the background check system because criminals don’t cooperate with background checks. Kelly responded:


The Tuscon shooter was an admitted drug user. He was rejected from the U.S. Army because of his drug use. He was clearly mentally ill. And when he purchased that gun in November, his plan was to assassinate my wife and commit mass murder at that Safeway in Tucson. He was a criminal. Because of his drug use, and because of what he was planning on doing. But because of these gaps in the mental health system, in this case, those 121,000 records, I admit did not include a record on him. But it could have.

And if it did, he would have failed that background check. he would have likely gone to a gun show, or a private seller, and avoided that background check. But if we close that gun show loophole, if we require private sellers to complete a background check, and we get those 121,000 records and others into the systems, we will prevent gun crime. That is an absolute truth. It would have happened in Tucson. My wife would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line...
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#3 Jan 30, 2013
Gotta love wing nuts, they won the election, FOR US ~!
Philo Beddoe

Mesa, AZ

#4 Jan 30, 2013
Not to mention that the 'gun show loophole' is a fallacy.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#5 Jan 30, 2013
Oddly, cantgetitup chides me all the time, because I showed no ID at a private sale, so NO...not a fallacy.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#6 Jan 30, 2013
Just how would expanding the background checks have caused the Aurora theater massacre not to have happend?

How about Sandy Hook?

Or, is the only thing that matters to you the fact that a very liberal Democrat got shot by an anarchist?

If it had been a very conservative Republican, you would be celebrating.
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#7 Jan 30, 2013
Lawton wrote:
Gabrielle Giffords’ Husband Smacks Down Wayne LaPierre
Source: Washington Post
Perhaps the most important moment so far in today’s Senate Judiciary hearing on guns came when astronaut Mark Kelly directly confronted NRA head Wayne LaPierre over the shooting of his wife, Gabrielle Giffords. Between that exchange and another one involving Senator Dick Durbin, LaPierre’s argument was completely unmasked for the sham that it is.
During the hearing, LaPierre repeatedly voiced the talking point that there’s no need to expand the background check system because criminals don’t cooperate with background checks. Kelly responded:
The Tuscon shooter was an admitted drug user. He was rejected from the U.S. Army because of his drug use. He was clearly mentally ill. And when he purchased that gun in November, his plan was to assassinate my wife and commit mass murder at that Safeway in Tucson. He was a criminal. Because of his drug use, and because of what he was planning on doing. But because of these gaps in the mental health system, in this case, those 121,000 records, I admit did not include a record on him. But it could have.
And if it did, he would have failed that background check. he would have likely gone to a gun show, or a private seller, and avoided that background check. But if we close that gun show loophole, if we require private sellers to complete a background check, and we get those 121,000 records and others into the systems, we will prevent gun crime. That is an absolute truth. It would have happened in Tucson. My wife would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line...
What would the stronger background check have done?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#8 Jan 30, 2013
Hey putz, wrong thread.... this was an area where guns weren't banned, UNFORTUNATELY !!!

Nice ATTEMPT at deflection, DUMB*SS ~!

LMAOROTFU~!
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#9 Jan 30, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Just how would expanding the background checks have caused the Aurora theater massacre not to have happend?
How about Sandy Hook?
Or, is the only thing that matters to you the fact that a very liberal Democrat got shot by an anarchist?
If it had been a very conservative Republican, you would be celebrating.
How would it have changed what happened to Gabrielle Giffords (since he said it would)?

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#10 Jan 30, 2013
Bridgework wrote:
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How would it have changed what happened to Gabrielle Giffords (since he said it would)?
It would not have changed a damned thing.

In the words of Rahm Emanuel: Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#11 Jan 30, 2013
Ahhh ? It's wrong to "use" a crisis, if you're NOT a teabagger, right ???

Love that TrashyLiar hypocrisy...
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#12 Jan 30, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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It would not have changed a damned thing.
In the words of Rahm Emanuel: Never let a good crisis go to waste.
He had no criminal record, so that is why I am wondering why he said that a stronger background check and it wouldn't have happened.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#13 Jan 30, 2013
A check of his mental health before he bought an arsenal, silly...
Philo Beddoe

Mesa, AZ

#14 Jan 30, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
A check of his mental health before he bought an arsenal, silly...
Arsenal? Please post a link to information about Loughner's gun. The only gun used in the shooting was a single handgun. When did one gun become and 'arsenal'?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#15 Jan 30, 2013
Loughner had a history of drug possession charges and had been suspended by his college for disruptive behavior. Court filings include notes allegedly handwritten by Loughner indicating he planned to assassinate Giffords.

As for the "handgun", nice deflection, since 18 people were shot and 6 people died....
Philo Beddoe

Mesa, AZ

#16 Jan 30, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Loughner had a history of drug possession charges and had been suspended by his college for disruptive behavior. Court filings include notes allegedly handwritten by Loughner indicating he planned to assassinate Giffords.
As for the "handgun", nice deflection, since 18 people were shot and 6 people died....
You mentioned an arsenal in regards to Loughner. I had not heard that before. I was only asking for clarification on your part.

For once I agree with you. The problem with background checks is that the mental health community has been reluctant to participate. The common denominator in most of these mass shootings is the shooterss are batshit crazy.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#17 Jan 30, 2013
Crazy and available guns... We cannot continue to escalate weaponry availability, it's as stupid as nuclear proliferation.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Jan 30, 2013
Philo Beddoe wrote:
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You mentioned an arsenal in regards to Loughner. I had not heard that before. I was only asking for clarification on your part.
For once I agree with you. The problem with background checks is that the mental health community has been reluctant to participate. The common denominator in most of these mass shootings is the shooterss are batshit crazy.
More to the point. Psychotropic drugs have been involved in every mass killing in recent memory. That is one reason that my gay husband, Slewsie, is not let out of the exercise yard very often.

In tragic mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears the recent Newtown event is headed in the same direction.

According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having "mental illness" and a "personality disorder." These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being "treated" with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.

No gun can, by itself, shoot anyone. It must be triggered by a person who makes a decision to use it. After all, medication alters the mind that controls the finger that pulls the trigger. The saying that "guns kill people" is physically impossible. People kill other people.
Amused Slew

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Jan 30, 2013
Has Madonna issued a statement on this? I'd be very interested to hear her sage words.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Jan 30, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Has Madonna issued a statement on this? I'd be very interested to hear her sage words.
You know. I was just thinking the same thing. She is one of the icons of knowledge for all of us progressive types. TY redeemer.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#22 Jan 30, 2013
The Teabaggers were getting really pissed off about people telling all these Teabagger jokes, so they decided to stage a march on Washington ... When last heard from, they were 10 miles out of Seattle.

Fake Slew, was one of the folks who dropped out, the rest never went to school in the first place... LMAOROTFU~!

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