To smoke, or not? In Minn., that is the question

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Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#48 Mar 6, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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there you are wrong. folks can be allergic to non-organic compounds like paint. along with other chemicals that are man made.
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http://www.ehso.com/environmentaldiseases.htm
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http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_disease...
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http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm...
I don't see where any of the links you posted contradicted what I said.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#49 Mar 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Smokers and education
Adults with 16 or more years of education had the lowest smoking prevalence (11.3 percent). Adults with 9 to 11 years of education had higher smoking prevalence (36.8 percent) compared to adults with fewer or more years of education.
Smokers by socio-economic status
Smoking prevalence was higher among adults living below the poverty level (32.3 percent) than those living at or above the poverty level (23.5 percent).
http://oralcancerfoundation.org/tobacco/demog...
Talk about a regressive tax. Yikes! Taxing cigarettes is the same as taking food out of the mouths of the children of the poor people.
Why do Democrats always want to hurt the poor children?
When do the poor people get their Food Stamps replaced with Cigarette Stamps?
Gallup poll, 2008 - Smoking % by income bracket

$6000 and under - 30%
$6000 -$12000 - 34%
$12000 -$24000 - 30%
$24000 -$36000 - 26%
$36000 -$48000 - 22%
$48000 -$60000 - 21%
$60000 -$90000 - 16%
$90000 -$120000- 13%
$120000 and up - 13%

You make the call which group of potential employees barring employment because of smoking will hurt the most.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-ameri ...
Ralph

Saint Paul, MN

#50 Mar 6, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Gallup poll, 2008 - Smoking % by income bracket
$6000 and under - 30%
$6000 -$12000 - 34%
$12000 -$24000 - 30%
$24000 -$36000 - 26%
$36000 -$48000 - 22%
$48000 -$60000 - 21%
$60000 -$90000 - 16%
$90000 -$120000- 13%
$120000 and up - 13%
You make the call which group of potential employees barring employment because of smoking will hurt the most.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-ameri ...
Soooo smarter people don't smoke and make more money?

OR do smarter people smoke and make less money?

DFL want to tax the rich more, they won't do it by increasing taxes on butts.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#51 Mar 6, 2013
Ralph wrote:
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Soooo smarter people don't smoke and make more money?
OR do smarter people smoke and make less money?
DFL want to tax the rich more, they won't do it by increasing taxes on butts.
Addiction runs across all brackets of income, but in general, more education equals more money and less smoking. Not hiring people because they smoke will likely disproportionately hurt the poor and less educated more.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#52 Mar 6, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Addiction runs across all brackets of income, but in general, more education equals more money and less smoking. Not hiring people because they smoke will likely disproportionately hurt the poor and less educated more.
What about drinkers,do their addiction run across income brackets? just askin.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#53 Mar 6, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>What about drinkers,do their addiction run across income brackets? just askin.
Read up.

http://www.columbia.edu/~dsh2/pdf/ProbAlcohol...

I haven't given it too much thought, the couple studies I looked at run both ways on this.

Studies seem to show that higher income may lead to more DWI's, but that may just be that people with more money are more able to go out and drink, instead of staying home and spending less to get drunk.
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#54 Mar 6, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>What about drinkers,do their addiction run across income brackets? just askin.
What about crack and heroin addicts. Mostly African American.
Bridgework

Minneapolis, MN

#55 Mar 6, 2013
liBeRALs wrote:
Your freedom ends where it starts to intrude on the freedom of others, hence the smoking laws and high tobacco taxes, which most Americans agree with.
If you are dumb enough to smoke, you deserve to pay the taxes.
Just how does a high tobacco tax increase your freedoms?
UP IN SMOKE

Winnipeg, Canada

#56 Mar 6, 2013
Want a job stop smoking, its simple. Otherwise F.O.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#57 Mar 6, 2013
UP IN SMOKE wrote:
Want a job stop smoking, its simple. Otherwise F.O.
While I agree that people should quit smoking, as one who employs more than a few people, this is something that is perfectly legal in the United States and probably should not be a factor in hiring for a job - in most instances.

If the anti-smoking crowd were to be intellectually honest they would push to have smoking outlawed.

If the politicians were to be honest at all, they would not use the smokers to bankroll their favorite cause of the week.

Sadly, neither the anti-smoking crowd nor the politicians will ever be honest on this issue.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#58 Mar 6, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>What about drinkers,do their addiction run across income brackets? just askin.
yep. look at the late First Lady Ford.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#59 Mar 7, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Read up.
http://www.columbia.edu/~dsh2/pdf/ProbAlcohol...
I haven't given it too much thought, the couple studies I looked at run both ways on this.
Studies seem to show that higher income may lead to more DWI's, but that may just be that people with more money are more able to go out and drink, instead of staying home and spending less to get drunk.
They are also much more able to buy their way out of a DWI. Especially a 2nd or 3rd or 4th (ala Linsdey Lohan, and many others)DWI. In fact, with enough money and the right lawyer, even their records can be expunged. Just look at the NFL.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#60 Mar 7, 2013
any addiction is found across all social and income brackets.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#61 Mar 7, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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While I agree that people should quit smoking, as one who employs more than a few people, this is something that is perfectly legal in the United States and probably should not be a factor in hiring for a job - in most instances.
If the anti-smoking crowd were to be intellectually honest they would push to have smoking outlawed.
If the politicians were to be honest at all, they would not use the smokers to bankroll their favorite cause of the week.
Sadly, neither the anti-smoking crowd nor the politicians will ever be honest on this issue.
you will find both truthful and lying on both sides of any given issue. this includes smoking.
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some do it because when they get presented with some of the things that are with it. they can not believe the facts. while others do see the truth in the facts and realize that they are true.
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like my father could not believe that second hand smoke is dangerous. I to this day wished I could have pointed out a few facts that would have made him realize that his thoughts on second hand smoke was wrong.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#63 Mar 7, 2013
liBeRALs wrote:
I believe exactly what I wrote:
Your freedom ends where it starts to intrude on the freedom of others
Therefore, your freedom ends when you intrude on another's right to religious freedom?(IE forcing Catholic Institutions, such as hospitals etc to provide free birth control measures) Ban the cigs and the booze OH, wait, we did the booze thing already and that didn't work well at all.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#64 Mar 7, 2013
sofa King Cool wrote:
I quit smoking three years ago. My health didn't make me do it. My wife didn't make me do it. Laws and inconvenience didn't make me do it. I quit because I could deprive the left wing behavior Nazi's the f-n tax money they live on.
BTW: Feel great, look great and love the fact the state of California leftist's has to get by without my money.
and you have that money that would have been wasted on cigarettes for other things.
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maybe like a fishing license to go catch fish. and make lifetime memories with maybe your wife. and or the rest of your family.
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or treating your wife to a restaurant that requires reservations.
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or even take up a hobby like Viking Wire Weaving.
Iowan

West Des Moines, IA

#65 Mar 7, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
any addiction is found across all social and income brackets.
but mostly rethuglican poltical brackets
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#68 Mar 7, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
and you have that money that would have been wasted on cigarettes for other things.
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maybe like a fishing license to go catch fish. and make lifetime memories with maybe your wife. and or the rest of your family.
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or treating your wife to a restaurant that requires reservations.
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or even take up a hobby like Viking Wire Weaving.
Did you get a degree in basket weaving? Did you learn it on the reservation?
Iowan

West Des Moines, IA

#69 Mar 7, 2013
sofa King Cool wrote:
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Try the ghetto, lefty. Menthols. 99% Demoncrats.
lots of democrats smoke at my gas station but only the rethuglicans chain smoke with beer and then come back for more
Iowan

West Des Moines, IA

#71 Mar 7, 2013
sofa King Cool wrote:
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If you can bust away from washin' windows check this study. Then shut up.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/3/93...
I don't like to read. I work at the gas station I don't clean windows

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