To smoke, or not? In Minn., that is the question

Mar 4, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The State

Vanda smokes for only about a minute before dropping the cigarette into her coffee mug, but it's a pivotal moment that begins the character's transformation into an assertive woman.

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liBeRALs

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Mar 5, 2013
The famed Schmahl "blank stare"!
UP IN SMOKE

Winnipeg, Canada

#27 Mar 5, 2013
I'm not going to debate the issue. I just want to say I decided in my teens not to smoke. The brown fingers and teeth, the stenck of breath and clothes and the hole in the throat DID NOT seem cool to me.
Ralph

Saint Paul, MN

#28 Mar 5, 2013
UP IN SMOKE wrote:
I'm not going to debate the issue. I just want to say I decided in my teens not to smoke. The brown fingers and teeth, the stenck of breath and clothes and the hole in the throat DID NOT seem cool to me.
Good for you, I have never smoked one butt.

However there are a ton of people addicted to cigarettes and many are poor people.

They won't quit smoking no matter the price but buy from out of state to avoid the high Minnesota taxes.

Meanwhile Minnesota will end up losing revenue because of the out of state taxes being paid.

I saw this first hand in the military. Guys from NYC would buy cartons of butts for $2.50 a carton and haul them to NYC for sales.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#29 Mar 5, 2013
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
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Liberals make me ill. Liberals make my blood pressure skyrocket. Liberals make me want to kill.
Ban them. Make them stay in their homes and be quiet. People like me shouldn't have to suffer.
if you think I'm a libtard. get real.
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thing is, having dealt with folks with allergies like my husband. I realize at least that one can alter one's life to make it easier. that also, one's family can help those with a allergy to avoid situations where a allergy could have fatal consequences for the person with it.
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like banning anyone who uses cigarettes from entering our house here. if they do still insist on being here. meeting outside the house only. even in the dead of winter.
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I also have other reasons for hating smoking. but I will not expand on it here.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#30 Mar 5, 2013
Ralph wrote:
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Good for you, I have never smoked one butt.
However there are a ton of people addicted to cigarettes and many are poor people.
They won't quit smoking no matter the price but buy from out of state to avoid the high Minnesota taxes.
Meanwhile Minnesota will end up losing revenue because of the out of state taxes being paid.
I saw this first hand in the military. Guys from NYC would buy cartons of butts for $2.50 a carton and haul them to NYC for sales.
How much are they now in MN.$6 per pack?

As bad as they are here, I was recently in New York. While filling my rental car with gas just prior to returning home, I noticed a sign in the gas station window touting their great prices on cigarettes.

$12.60 per pack and that was for the bargain type smokes. Not the Marlboro or other names you would recognize.

The only ones who can afford to smoke any more are the super rich and they typically are too smart to do so - or the poor.

It is the government assistance programs for other things that allows them buy cigarettes. If not for their food being paid for, their housing being paid for, their medical care being paid for, their transportation being paid for...they could not afford cigarettes.

It is Obama's fault. Right, Dumbo?

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#31 Mar 5, 2013
UP IN SMOKE wrote:
I'm not going to debate the issue. I just want to say I decided in my teens not to smoke. The brown fingers and teeth, the stenck of breath and clothes and the hole in the throat DID NOT seem cool to me.
how about the fact that smokers have a higher rate of aneurysms. or that many of them end up on tanked air.
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or the fact that many who can not stand the stink from smoking tend to find ways to avoid being with smokers. at least until the smoker's funeral.
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#32 Mar 5, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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how about the fact that smokers have a higher rate of aneurysms. or that many of them end up on tanked air.
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or the fact that many who can not stand the stink from smoking tend to find ways to avoid being with smokers. at least until the smoker's funeral.
If you think you're off the hook for all the weed you smoked, think again. You're going to wind up with COPD. You will be in the nursing home and Slew will only wipe your arse once per shift.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#33 Mar 5, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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How much are they now in MN.$6 per pack?
As bad as they are here, I was recently in New York. While filling my rental car with gas just prior to returning home, I noticed a sign in the gas station window touting their great prices on cigarettes.
$12.60 per pack and that was for the bargain type smokes. Not the Marlboro or other names you would recognize.
The only ones who can afford to smoke any more are the super rich and they typically are too smart to do so - or the poor.
It is the government assistance programs for other things that allows them buy cigarettes. If not for their food being paid for, their housing being paid for, their medical care being paid for, their transportation being paid for...they could not afford cigarettes.
It is Obama's fault. Right, Dumbo?
People are making a killing buying smokes in other states and smuggling them in to cities like NY. And that's probably where the lower income people are buying them. I've no doubt they are also smuggling bulk tobacco and the tool to "roll your own".
Bloomberg is a serious wanker who uses his money and political position to force his will on the city he rules.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#34 Mar 5, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
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That's not quite accurate. While the smoke may cause some discomfort or irritation for people already prone to allergies, it does not contain anything that can trigger a histamine reaction.(the root of allergic reactions) When the organic compound of tobacco burns, it is converted in to inorganic chemical compounds by the process of burning. Things like wool,peanuts, or carrots are still in an organic state. A histamine reaction can only be triggered by organic molecules.
there you are wrong. folks can be allergic to non-organic compounds like paint. along with other chemicals that are man made.
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http://www.ehso.com/environmentaldiseases.htm
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http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_disease...
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http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm...

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#35 Mar 5, 2013
UP IN SMOKE wrote:
OR, To stink in Minn or not.
they can commit slow suicide the way they have. they forget that they have family that has to clean up their act once they die. and have to answer the questions on why the family member committed suicide via smoking.
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something my family will not have to do. since I refuse to smoke. this includes things like pot. I have never touched that stuff. never saw any reason to smoke. saw what cigarette smoking did to my parents.
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plus, it was something only for popular kids to do was to smoke pot. and I was not one of the popular ones. plus with various members of my dad's side being in LE. and not wanting to be on their bad side. as well as not wanting to ruin my family's name and reputation. I stayed away from the stuff. not all of us born in the early 60s was into smoking.
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I refuse to smell like a ashtray overdue for a washing with lye.
UP IN SMOKE

Winnipeg, Canada

#36 Mar 5, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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they can commit slow suicide the way they have. they forget that they have family that has to clean up their act once they die. and have to answer the questions on why the family member committed suicide via smoking.
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something my family will not have to do. since I refuse to smoke. this includes things like pot. I have never touched that stuff. never saw any reason to smoke. saw what cigarette smoking did to my parents.
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plus, it was something only for popular kids to do was to smoke pot. and I was not one of the popular ones. plus with various members of my dad's side being in LE. and not wanting to be on their bad side. as well as not wanting to ruin my family's name and reputation. I stayed away from the stuff. not all of us born in the early 60s was into smoking.
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I refuse to smell like a ashtray overdue for a washing with lye.
You are the only sane poster on this forum. Smoking is ONLY for imbeciles who have little ability to understand the repercussions. Then they die.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#37 Mar 5, 2013
UP IN SMOKE wrote:
<quoted text> You are the only sane poster on this forum. Smoking is ONLY for imbeciles who have little ability to understand the repercussions. Then they die.
No, it is also for poor people who are addicted to tobacco. Why do you hate poor people?

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#38 Mar 5, 2013
plus for those who really do desire their nicotine. there is that chemical in other plants in the same family.
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plants like belladonna, tomatoes, potatoes, & eggplants to name three at least. it is what gives the bitterness to the edible parts of said plants.
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also both sweet and hot peppers also contain nicotine as well. same goes for celery. though they do not contain as much as the main member of the Solanaceae family does. another one that contains nicotine is the form of datura known as jimson weed
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#39 Mar 5, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
plus for those who really do desire their nicotine. there is that chemical in other plants in the same family.
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plants like belladonna, tomatoes, potatoes, & eggplants to name three at least. it is what gives the bitterness to the edible parts of said plants.
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also both sweet and hot peppers also contain nicotine as well. same goes for celery. though they do not contain as much as the main member of the Solanaceae family does. another one that contains nicotine is the form of datura known as jimson weed
Because I am an educated college student and Sangelia is stupid, I will tell you that the balladonna is an extremely deadly plant. "Atropine is a naturally occurring tropane alkaloid extracted from deadly nightshade (Atropa belladonna)."

Svengoolie tried to poison her first husband with this plant.

"Belladonna is a perennial plant that has oval dark-green leaves, bell-shaped violet blossoms and black cherry-like fruit. The latter is particularly attractive, especially to children, who happen to be the usual victims of this dangerous herb. The symptoms of poisoning appear quickly: dizziness, dry mouth, flush, nausea and vomiting, visual impairment, increased heart frequency, agitation and raving, followed by weakness and sleepiness, breathing compression and death. These toxic effects of belladonna are due to the high content of the alkaloids such as atropine (the most important one), scopolamine, hyoscyamine, and belladonnine in all parts of the plant."
http://library.thinkquest.org/C007974/1_2bel....
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#40 Mar 5, 2013
CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>If you think you're off the hook for all the weed you smoked, think again. You're going to wind up with COPD. You will be in the nursing home and Slew will only wipe your arse once per shift.
STFU qweer capt cruncie wipe's your ass,you two beech suck each other off. I read your BS on the phoneix forum and Bob England kicks your trash ass all over that forum,and your beetch illegal gruncie the child molester is to scare to even post on his home forum just like you who won't post on green Bay forum.whats up with maggie?is she your fat ass mama hmmm?

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#42 Mar 5, 2013
redeemer wrote:
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STFU qweer capt cruncie wipe's your ass,you two beech suck each other off. I read your BS on the phoneix forum and Bob England kicks your trash ass all over that forum,and your beetch illegal gruncie the child molester is to scare to even post on his home forum just like you who won't post on green Bay forum.whats up with maggie?is she your fat ass mama hmmm?
I think maggie even gave up trying to get that troll into her home. though they would be perfect for each other.
UP IN SMOKE

Winnipeg, Canada

#43 Mar 5, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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No, it is also for poor people who are addicted to tobacco. Why do you hate poor people?
I hate smokers rich or poor. The only good smoker is a dead smoker.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#44 Mar 5, 2013
Smokers and education

Adults with 16 or more years of education had the lowest smoking prevalence (11.3 percent). Adults with 9 to 11 years of education had higher smoking prevalence (36.8 percent) compared to adults with fewer or more years of education.

Smokers by socio-economic status

Smoking prevalence was higher among adults living below the poverty level (32.3 percent) than those living at or above the poverty level (23.5 percent).

http://oralcancerfoundation.org/tobacco/demog...

Talk about a regressive tax. Yikes! Taxing cigarettes is the same as taking food out of the mouths of the children of the poor people.

Why do Democrats always want to hurt the poor children?

When do the poor people get their Food Stamps replaced with Cigarette Stamps?

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#45 Mar 5, 2013
UP IN SMOKE wrote:
<quoted text>I hate smokers rich or poor. The only good smoker is a dead smoker.
Including the guy smoking a cigarette in the picture underneath my name?
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#46 Mar 5, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Including the guy smoking a cigarette in the picture underneath my name?
nope not the picture just the name!

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