Desperate Times for Labor Unions

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“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#1 Nov 20, 2012
You have seen a lot of headlines in the past couple of years regarding labor unions.

First we had the public union members rioting in WI and OH after the 2010 elections. Then we had American Crystal Sugar's lock-out of the union members when they refused to accept a 15% wage increase.

Now, we have LAX workers threatening a walk-out tomorrow, the busiest travel day of the year. Hostess made some huge headlines when they decided to liquidate the business after the labor union refused to accept a bankruptcy judge’s directive to accept an 8% wage decrease. And lastly we have a few Wal-Mart stockroom people who are threatening to walk out on Black Friday.

It certainly seems that these unions are everywhere – and oh, so very powerful.

Actually, what we have is a mob mentality and childish temper tantrums. The unions in the past decade have become meaningless.

With the advent of the Obama generation and their mentality of wanting their FREE STUFF paid for by others, this seemed like a perfect time for the unions to make a push for their rebirth in the age of automation.

Yet, it is the automation of production in the USA that helped push labor unions to the brink of extinction. It is the automation of production that will kill future union jobs. It is the automation of production, that the unions need to find a way to overcome. However, unless you fully automate your manufacturing plant, you will not be price competitive and you may as well shut your doors today.

Union members are less than 7% of the workers in the private sector. The numbers are falling each and every year.

As the CNBC article below says, the need for labor unions is past. The unions are going to have to find a way to unionize inanimate objects since the future of production in American is robotics.

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Total union membership in 2011 was at an all-time low of 11.8 percent in the U.S., according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The number of members split among private and public unions, about 7.4 million in each — with public-sector workers having a union membership rate (37 percent) more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers (6.9 percent).

And there's the issue of unity. Just look at the 780 striking Caterpillar machinists in Joliet, Ill., said Michael Zweig, professor of economics at Stony Brook University. The workers voted in August — after a four-month walkout — against their union leaders in ratifying a contract that basically gave the equipment manufacturer concessions on wage and pensions freezes.

"People at Caterpillar were afraid of losing their jobs," Zweig said. "The lesson is that you really have to mobilize workers and organize your base."

"Companies work hard to keep unions out when it comes to pay and benefits," said John Malloy, an executive search consultant with Sanford Rose Associates. "Why join a union when you are making more money without them."

For Pace University's James, unions have more or less become irrelevant in today's business world.
"Since World War II, companies developed their human resource departments to help keep unions out of the private sector and even the public sector," said James. "With HR, there's better motivation and empathy and pay programs that make most workers feel rewarded. Unions haven't adjusted their attitude toward capitalism and are too old."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49762716/Unions_Seekin...
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Nov 20, 2012
Unions in an unskilled workforce are dommed to fail, automation will replace those unskilled tasks.

In some skilled trades that require extensive training AND where Unions cooperate with the corporations they work for there may be a future for Unions. Electricians, plummers, pipefitters, framers, concrete forming and finishing, sideing/stucco, insulation.

Obviously you can use unskilled labor for those tasks BUT there are cases where shoddy workmenship ends up with bad results. Oh ya building inspectors are paid to make sure a house is built correctly BUT even they will tell you they cannot catch every problem.

Outcomes include: unancored walls with resultant death, stucco causing severe damage, NG explosions, basement wall collapses, roof leaks, inadaquate insulation, sewer gas leaks causing sickness, plumbing leaks with water damage, etc..
Dan C

Roseville, CA

#3 Nov 21, 2012
Those who support unions are nothing more than socialist lazy filth that have no place in our country.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#4 Nov 21, 2012
Those who hate unions, like sweat shops and no retirement...Funny, you got rejected, but keep attacking the American worker...

Bain will not fly...
That's NOT the American way...

Funny, you forget pride, experience, and sharing the benefits of success with the WORKERS !!!

As for TrashyLiar, of course YOU hate labor, after YOUR failure.

Oddly, you're against the workers WHO DO THE WORK, getting a living wage... Of course, WE remember your 2 hours and 15 minutes at "real work"...FAILURE !!! Sorry son, it's a man topic, you don't get respect, YOU NEVER EARNED !!!
Amused at Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Nov 22, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
Those who hate unions, like sweat shops and no retirement...Funny, you got rejected, but keep attacking the American worker...
Bain will not fly...
That's NOT the American way...
Funny, you forget pride, experience, and sharing the benefits of success with the WORKERS !!!
As for TrashyLiar, of course YOU hate labor, after YOUR failure.
Oddly, you're against the workers WHO DO THE WORK, getting a living wage... Of course, WE remember your 2 hours and 15 minutes at "real work"...FAILURE !!! Sorry son, it's a man topic, you don't get respect, YOU NEVER EARNED !!!
Only about 10% of the American workers are union, and that number shrinks each year. That means unions are dying. Just like we all wish you would do.
Bob

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Nov 22, 2012
Amused at Slew wrote:
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Only about 10% of the American workers are union, and that number shrinks each year. That means unions are dying. Just like we all wish you would do.
I see you're running in the race to the bottom. I bet you're doing pretty well in it too.
Sour Grapes POOR BABY

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Nov 22, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
Union members are less than 7% of the workers in the private sector. The numbers are falling each and every year.---------
Total union membership in 2011 was at an all-time low of 11.8 percent in the U.S., according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
It's more like a desperate post by someone who suffered a major loss this past election.

Truth be told, the unions are taking America back for the middle class.

Years ago people were working for the airlines, the post office, the railroad, automobile plant and making good union wages with benefits and pensions.

They were able to take vacations, buy a new appliance, and stimulate the local economy.

Sadly, with the beginning of union busting by Republican President, Ron Reagan, unions have gone bust and all the good high paying jobs have been shipped to China by conservatives like Romney for higher profits.

Equally damaging is the loss of benefits and wages for the jobs that remained in this country for higher profits.

With all the savings from stripping people of wages and benefits, our prices have not gone down, they've gone up!

The money is still there, it's just gone to the top 1% who don't pay their fair share of taxes.

The people are what has given life back to the unions. Our economy deserves no less!!

With all the working poor who had their pensions stripped away, we are heading for a crash when they all retire. Are the rich republican CEO's going to pay for all these people who can no longer support themselves? NO! We the tax payers are!! Beware!

As for Hostess, the union workers had agreed to a wage cut two times before they were asked to do it again recently. This while the CEO was given a 300% raise before the second bankruptcy filing.

Fortunately the people are giving their union the power to stop the greed and are standing up against this corporate suicide!

Unions are coming back, not because they're great, but like in the 30's, they're necessary!

The future is bright America!

Just beware of the sour grapes posted by the angry white male who has lost his grip of the country and has been reduced to ranting on this blog.

Ah Hahahahahaha!!!
goose

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Nov 22, 2012
Sour Grapes POOR BABY wrote:
<quoted text>

Unions are coming back, not because they're great, but like in the 30's, they're necessary!
care to back that up with any links/facts?
Didn't think so!
The Truth Squad

Rancho Mirage, CA

#9 Nov 22, 2012
In truth, it is the Union leaders who are cutting off their nose to spite their face as the old saying goes. Hostess was a perfect example of that. The obstinate dumb leaders of the smaller union just cost their minions plus the larger teamsters union employees their jobs. HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU? By the way those brands will survive. Understand the largest bakery in Mexico wants to purchase those snack brands. maybe those union employees should look for bakery jobs in Mexico. OLE!
Gordy

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Nov 22, 2012
Sour Grapes POOR BABY wrote:
<quoted text>
It's more like a desperate post by someone who suffered a major loss this past election.
Truth be told, the unions are taking America back for the middle class.
Years ago people were working for the airlines, the post office, the railroad, automobile plant and making good union wages with benefits and pensions.
They were able to take vacations, buy a new appliance, and stimulate the local economy.
Sadly, with the beginning of union busting by Republican President, Ron Reagan, unions have gone bust and all the good high paying jobs have been shipped to China by conservatives like Romney for higher profits.
Equally damaging is the loss of benefits and wages for the jobs that remained in this country for higher profits.
With all the savings from stripping people of wages and benefits, our prices have not gone down, they've gone up!
The money is still there, it's just gone to the top 1% who don't pay their fair share of taxes.
The people are what has given life back to the unions. Our economy deserves no less!!
With all the working poor who had their pensions stripped away, we are heading for a crash when they all retire. Are the rich republican CEO's going to pay for all these people who can no longer support themselves? NO! We the tax payers are!! Beware!
As for Hostess, the union workers had agreed to a wage cut two times before they were asked to do it again recently. This while the CEO was given a 300% raise before the second bankruptcy filing.
Fortunately the people are giving their union the power to stop the greed and are standing up against this corporate suicide!
Unions are coming back, not because they're great, but like in the 30's, they're necessary!
The future is bright America!
Just beware of the sour grapes posted by the angry white male who has lost his grip of the country and has been reduced to ranting on this blog.
Ah Hahahahahaha!!!
Even a Democrat like myself would not say the unions are coming back. You must be brainwashed by union hacks to think that. The main problem with union is that they reduce business flexability of production and pricing. That is probably something you have never thought of when wishing for a raise to buy the big flat screen TV you lust after. Too bad your left wing wacko nonsense is not true but if we start believing crap like that, we would be no different than the Republicans and their denial of the obvious.

“HHhhhoooowwwlll”

Since: Feb 08

Craigville

#11 Nov 22, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
Unions in an unskilled workforce are dommed to fail, automation will replace those unskilled tasks.
Dommed?
You mean Doomed of course.
Nothing like all active intelligence bouncing off that 'dome' of yours.

Spell check is your friend, unless there is another legitimate word that sounds the same......LOL
Bobby

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Nov 22, 2012
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dommed?
You mean Doomed of course.
Nothing like all active intelligence bouncing off that 'dome' of yours.
Spell check is your friend, unless there is another legitimate word that sounds the same......LOL
Going after fake Slew now? You're a bright one alright.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#13 Nov 22, 2012
Guy's a dishonest moron, welcome your fellow dumb teabagger.... LMAOROTFU~!

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#14 Nov 22, 2012
Sour Grapes POOR BABY wrote:
<quoted text>
It's more like a desperate post by someone who suffered a major loss this past election.
Truth be told, the unions are taking America back for the middle class.
Years ago people were working for the airlines, the post office, the railroad, automobile plant and making good union wages with benefits and pensions.
They were able to take vacations, buy a new appliance, and stimulate the local economy.
Sadly, with the beginning of union busting by Republican President, Ron Reagan, unions have gone bust and all the good high paying jobs have been shipped to China by conservatives like Romney for higher profits.
Equally damaging is the loss of benefits and wages for the jobs that remained in this country for higher profits.
With all the savings from stripping people of wages and benefits, our prices have not gone down, they've gone up!
The money is still there, it's just gone to the top 1% who don't pay their fair share of taxes.
The people are what has given life back to the unions. Our economy deserves no less!!
With all the working poor who had their pensions stripped away, we are heading for a crash when they all retire. Are the rich republican CEO's going to pay for all these people who can no longer support themselves? NO! We the tax payers are!! Beware!
As for Hostess, the union workers had agreed to a wage cut two times before they were asked to do it again recently. This while the CEO was given a 300% raise before the second bankruptcy filing.
Fortunately the people are giving their union the power to stop the greed and are standing up against this corporate suicide!
Unions are coming back, not because they're great, but like in the 30's, they're necessary!
The future is bright America!
Just beware of the sour grapes posted by the angry white male who has lost his grip of the country and has been reduced to ranting on this blog.
Ah Hahahahahaha!!!
The sour grapes are all from your side. Your rantings could have been taken word for word from your daily SEIU Talking Points e-mail.

I do like your quote where you say "With all the savings from stripping people of wages and benefits, our prices have not gone down, they've gone up!"

Computers? TVs? Telephones? All way down. Made by non union labor elsewhere. Even if you want to pay double or triple for an American made product, I bet you would be hard pressed to find one.

Cars? Washing machines? Groceries? Government? All way up, but they are done by union labor.

How many union members shop Wal-Mart? Target? Costco? Aldi's? Without union members as customers, each of those businesses would be suffering.

BUY AMERICAN! BUY UNION MADE! Yeah, sure. I will as soon as you union hypocrites do.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#15 Nov 22, 2012
We will be buying American made and made in worker friendly countries, as we take back OUR money management has squeezed out of the worker... The path is clear and our leader was elected... Hertz, huh loser !
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#16 Nov 22, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
The sour grapes are all from your side. Your rantings could have been taken word for word from your daily SEIU Talking Points e-mail.
I do like your quote where you say "With all the savings from stripping people of wages and benefits, our prices have not gone down, they've gone up!"
Computers? TVs? Telephones? All way down. Made by non union labor elsewhere. Even if you want to pay double or triple for an American made product, I bet you would be hard pressed to find one.
Cars? Washing machines? Groceries? Government? All way up, but they are done by union labor.
How many union members shop Wal-Mart? Target? Costco? Aldi's? Without union members as customers, each of those businesses would be suffering.
BUY AMERICAN! BUY UNION MADE! Yeah, sure. I will as soon as you union hypocrites do.
As for buying Costco some of them are union and the rest pay a decent wage & benefit package, PUTZ !~ Gee, what a moronic loser, no wonder ALL you can afford is a 4 door Corvair.... LMAOROTFU~!

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#17 Nov 22, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
We will be buying American made and made in worker friendly countries, as we take back OUR money management has squeezed out of the worker... The path is clear and our leader was elected... Hertz, huh loser !
Another brilliant observation made by the MN basement dweller.

The Bakers Union (are the LGBT union?) is doing so well lately with pissing away 1,100 jobs in Fargo, and now 18,500 jobs with Hostess.

If I were a Bakery Union member, I would not show my face to a Teamster. Remember Jimmy Hoffa?

“HHhhhoooowwwlll”

Since: Feb 08

Craigville

#18 Nov 22, 2012
Bobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Going after fake Slew now? You're a bright one alright.
And who are you..........usually that is?
Too many slews runnning around, which doesn't amount to squat.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#19 Nov 22, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Another brilliant observation made by the MN basement dweller.
The Bakers Union (are the LGBT union?) is doing so well lately with pissing away 1,100 jobs in Fargo, and now 18,500 jobs with Hostess.
If I were a Bakery Union member, I would not show my face to a Teamster. Remember Jimmy Hoffa?
Poor drama queen ...LMAOROTFU~! Children stories as your "reality", seems right ...

Sea-Tac Hertz counter.
10/10/12
9:15 AM PDT

NO SUCH PLACE....
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#20 Nov 22, 2012
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
And who are you..........usually that is?
Too many slews runnning around, which doesn't amount to squat.
Great election, who'd you have "runnning", dip shit ??? LMAOROTFu~

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