The Bus-Train moves
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#23 May 2, 2013
Consistent wrote:
<quoted text>
Child,
"every invention newer than the horse and buggy"
Trolley cars are a step back about 150 years!
Hip and Cool Demokrats of the 1960's decided that to many of the Sheeple were caught in the past, and "Hubert Humphrey the Original", lead the effort to "Modernize" by tearing out the Trolley Cars, and using Newfangled Buses to make the Cities "Cool" and efficient.
(By the way, Huby made a Fortune with his buddies selling the scrap from the Trolley System, and being a silent partner in Bus Manufacturing)
Gawd it must hurt to be so stupid!
........Crickets..........
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24 May 2, 2013
You're a waste of time, you know that, right ?
Christine

Saint Paul, MN

#25 May 4, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
in some ways what they should have done decades before. was to have merged the rail/street car system with the bus system. those cities in like California did it.
.
the rail car aka street car was here in the metro before the buses were. but due to some outside folks, they managed to take over the system
.
http://www.trolleyride.org/History/Narrative/... Many remnants of the streetcars remain, if one knows where to look. Many of today's bus routes travel the same streets and bear the same names. The 1914 North Side Station, 1891 East Side Station and the 1885&#8209;vintage 3rd Avenue N. horsecar barn&#8209;general office still stand, used for other purposes. A modern bus garage occupies the site at 31st & Nicollet where a transit facility was first opened in 1879. The Main Steam Station streetcar power plant by St. Anthony Falls now serves the University of Minnesota. Around the city are scattered overhead wire poles and former power substations. Miles of track lie buried under layers of asphalt, and poke through when the pavement deteriorates.
In the town I live in the street car ran down the alley off the main street. The main street was reserved for motor vehicles. With no mix of street cars and motor vehicles there was no conflict.
Schmahl Theme Song

Minneapolis, MN

#27 May 4, 2013
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause i just got paid
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

I got in town a month ago, I seen a lotta girls since then
If I could meet 'em I could get 'em but as yet I haven't met 'em
That's why I'm in the shape I'm in

Here another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

Another fella told me he had a sister who looked just fine
Instead of being my deliverance, she had a strange resemblance
to a cat named Frankenstein

Here's another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had some chick to talk to
I'm in an awful way

(Here it is another weekend and I ain't got nobody
Man if I was back home I'd be swinging
Two chicks on my arm
Aww yeah
Listen to me huh)

It's hard on a fella, when he don't know his way around
If I don't find me a honey to help me spend my money
I'm gonna have to blow this town

Here it's another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had some chick to talk to
I'm in an awful way
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#28 May 4, 2013
The poopy irony song.....
Christine

Saint Paul, MN

#29 May 4, 2013
Schmahl Theme Song wrote:
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause i just got paid
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way
I got in town a month ago, I seen a lotta girls since then
If I could meet 'em I could get 'em but as yet I haven't met 'em
That's why I'm in the shape I'm in
Here another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way
Another fella told me he had a sister who looked just fine
Instead of being my deliverance, she had a strange resemblance
to a cat named Frankenstein
Here's another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had some chick to talk to
I'm in an awful way
(Here it is another weekend and I ain't got nobody
Man if I was back home I'd be swinging
Two chicks on my arm
Aww yeah
Listen to me huh)
It's hard on a fella, when he don't know his way around
If I don't find me a honey to help me spend my money
I'm gonna have to blow this town
Here it's another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had some chick to talk to
I'm in an awful way
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause i just got paid
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

I got in town a month ago, I seen a lotta girls since then
If I could meet 'em I could get 'em but as yet I haven't met 'em
That's why I'm in the shape I'm in

Here another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

Another fella told me he had a sister who looked just fine
Instead of being my deliverance, she had a strange resemblance
to a cat named Frankenstein

Here's another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had some chick to talk to
I'm in an awful way

(Here it is another weekend and I ain't got nobody
Man if I was back home I'd be swinging
Two chicks on my arm
Aww yeah
Listen to me huh)

It's hard on a fella, when he don't know his way around
If I don't find me a honey to help me spend my money
I'm gonna have to blow this town

Here it's another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got some money 'cause I just got paid
How I wish I had some chick to talk to
I'm in an awful way, Slewer.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#30 May 4, 2013
The transsexual poopy irony song.....
Schmahl Theme Song

Minneapolis, MN

#31 May 4, 2013
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I've got some money 'cause I just got paid
Now, how I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

I got in town a month ago
I seen a lot of girls since then
If I could meet 'em I could get 'em
But as yet I haven't met 'em
That's how I'm in the state I'm in

Oh,
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I've got some money 'cause I just got paid
Now, how I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

Another fella told me
He had a sister who looked just fine
Instead of bein' my deliv'rance
She had a strange resemblance
To a cat named Frankenstein

Ooh, la,
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I've got some money 'cause I just got paid
Now, how I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

It's hard on a fella
When he don't know his way around
If I don't find me a honey
To help me spend my money
I'm gonna have to blow this town

Oh, no
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I've got some money 'cause I just got paid
Now, how I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

Smart Liberal

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#34 May 6, 2013
Has anyone been down to the Union Depot in St Paul?

It is the typical complete waste of $500 million or whatever it cost to renovate this project.

At this time, there are two busses per day for the Jefferson Bus Lines and a couple of busses that run to Mystic Lake.

Even when the choo-choo starts to run, this will be another grandiose example of govt p#ssing money down a rat hole.
Smart Liberal Isnt

Minneapolis, MN

#36 May 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Has anyone been down to the Union Depot in St Paul?
It is the typical complete waste of $500 million or whatever it cost to renovate this project.
At this time, there are two busses per day for the Jefferson Bus Lines and a couple of busses that run to Mystic Lake.
Even when the choo-choo starts to run, this will be another grandiose example of govt p#ssing money down a rat hole.
You believe that EVERYTHING the government spends money on is a waste. If you ever make it to Washington DC stop into Union Station.

Smart Liberal

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#37 May 6, 2013
Smart Liberal Isnt wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe that EVERYTHING the government spends money on is a waste. If you ever make it to Washington DC stop into Union Station.
I see you have not been to the Union Depot in St Paul. Otherwise you would not be making such a stupid comparison.

The Union Depot in St Paul is a complete waste of tax payer dollars in order to dress up a dilapidated area of St Paul.

With very few private sector businesses left in St Paul, this ends up being another of the feel good expenditures where they can stand back and say how pretty the depot is now - even if their largest client now is the bus running to the Mystic Lake Casino.

Tell me again how we need to increase taxes to fund basic services because government has been cut to the bone.

I'll find you $500 million right now that should never have been spent.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#38 May 6, 2013
IMMR- 13.89 +1.40 (+11.21%)

Love Trashy "logic", a single example is "proof" of ANYTHING....

Of course, you provided NO PICTURES, as your "proof", right ???

Yep, 4 door Corvairs, are collectible... look at the rust the collect...

Can I tell Gordon Apker about you, he likes a good joke ???

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#39 May 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you have not been to the Union Depot in St Paul. Otherwise you would not be making such a stupid comparison.
The Union Depot in St Paul is a complete waste of tax payer dollars in order to dress up a dilapidated area of St Paul.
With very few private sector businesses left in St Paul, this ends up being another of the feel good expenditures where they can stand back and say how pretty the depot is now - even if their largest client now is the bus running to the Mystic Lake Casino.
Tell me again how we need to increase taxes to fund basic services because government has been cut to the bone.
I'll find you $500 million right now that should never have been spent.
have you even been down in that area?
.
the UD sits in what is the outer limits of the downtown area of St. Paul. this includes at least one TV group. that one being the PBS one. there are several stores in that area. as well as in the summer time a farmers market.
.
as well as well within walking distance of at least one if not more apartment buildings like the Mears apartments.
.
the UD used to be the site of at least three restaurants. it is also a historical building that is still useful in it's own way.
CRASSUS

Neenah, WI

#40 May 6, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
have you even been down in that area?
.
the UD sits in what is the outer limits of the downtown area of St. Paul. this includes at least one TV group. that one being the PBS one. there are several stores in that area. as well as in the summer time a farmers market.
.
as well as well within walking distance of at least one if not more apartment buildings like the Mears apartments.
.
the UD used to be the site of at least three restaurants. it is also a historical building that is still useful in it's own way.
Many a move is made on the bus. Be it a wink of the brown eyed Somali man or a suttle touch to her inner thigh. Svengoolie always winds up in the back seat.
Bridgework

Olathe, KS

#41 May 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously, what they should have done was double the number of busses - or triple the number. Then provide free bus fare for everyone.
It would be far cheaper, more flexible, and more responsie than the choo-choo trains could ever be.
Not to mention provide good paying jobs for those bus drivers.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#42 May 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you have not been to the Union Depot in St Paul. Otherwise you would not be making such a stupid comparison.
The Union Depot in St Paul is a complete waste of tax payer dollars in order to dress up a dilapidated area of St Paul.
With very few private sector businesses left in St Paul, this ends up being another of the feel good expenditures where they can stand back and say how pretty the depot is now - even if their largest client now is the bus running to the Mystic Lake Casino.
Tell me again how we need to increase taxes to fund basic services because government has been cut to the bone.
I'll find you $500 million right now that should never have been spent.
West Publishing approached St Paul 25 years ago about expanding in downtown St Paul, the city had no interest in helping them expand. By 1989, West had moved to Eagan, and donated their building in St Paul to the city, removing another tax producing property from the tax rolls. St Paul has been run by anti-business for too long. Gillette, West Publishing, Ecolab(still has headquarters, but most other operations are in the suburbs), 3M's east side campus, Whirlpool, etc. are just a few of the companies St Paul has decided it doesn't need over the years. But St Paul is doing a bang up job of getting government property in place of those pesky job creating, tax paying businesses.
DFL Waste

Saint Paul, MN

#43 May 6, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Has anyone been down to the Union Depot in St Paul?
It is the typical complete waste of $500 million or whatever it cost to renovate this project.
At this time, there are two busses per day for the Jefferson Bus Lines and a couple of busses that run to Mystic Lake.
Even when the choo-choo starts to run, this will be another grandiose example of govt p#ssing money down a rat hole.
I visited the UD last week during "Rail Week". I was curious how the LRT passengers would transfer to other "Modes" of transportation. Turns out the LRT goes down the middle of 4th Street so LRT passengers must walk outside in order to get into the UD. I expected LRT passengers to be able to walk from a LRT car without being exposed to harsh Minnesota weather, oh well.

I walked around the UD and counted 7 other people in the $500,000,000 building. Of course that doesn't count the bussle of the wonderful restaraunt in the North end of the building, don't understand how that factors into a transportation hub but what do I know.

There are lots of electronic displays much like the airport displaying status of the arriving busses to Mystic Lake and Treasure Island, seems like a Native American transportation hub. There are lots of escalators I'm sure running 24X7 used or not. Applying Garage Logic I'd say a lot of electricity could be saved by making the escalators function on request as opposed to running all the time for NO users.

Lots of polished floors and fancy stuff,$500,000,000 does buy a lot of polished old stuff.

I wonder what DFLer(s) got the kickbacks from the restaraunt owners in the UD?

Understanding the Natives have recently purchased 2 hotels in DT Saint Paul I see things happening for the Natives in Saint Paul, maybe Native gambleing in the UD.
DFL Waste

Saint Paul, MN

#44 May 6, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
have you even been down in that area?
.
the UD sits in what is the outer limits of the downtown area of St. Paul. this includes at least one TV group. that one being the PBS one. there are several stores in that area. as well as in the summer time a farmers market.
.
as well as well within walking distance of at least one if not more apartment buildings like the Mears apartments.
.
the UD used to be the site of at least three restaurants. it is also a historical building that is still useful in it's own way.
Maybe the proximity to the Ramsey County Welfare office on Kellogg Blvd has something to do with the DFLs desire to have the UD as the focus of bus transportation?

The welfare office is about 1.5 blocks from the UD.

Understand we don't want to inconvience our welfare customers from Chicago and Gary or other points east.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#45 May 6, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll never buy into claims that transporting people in a HUGE heavy train that runs 24X7 most of the time EMPTY. How that train can be more efficent than automobiles used only when needed and payed for by the owners rather than the taxpayers.
The battle cry of the left is "all transportation is subsidized". To their credit, they are partially right. There is no way the Gasoline taxes collected even begin to cover the road and road construction necessary in our area. Bonding bills and separate transportation/infrastruce bills are need to support safety of our freeways and bridges. The problem we have, is, there is some contribution coming from users of highways and bridges. Not so much from Mass Transit. On occasion, when staying with relatives, I use one of the local Bus routes to come into DT MPLS. The Rush Hour Charge,$2.25 is rarely paid on this route.(No names to protect the guilty -#10) I have, counted the number of riders who get on, put nothing in the toll machine, sit down and ride into downtown. The problem we have is many who ridden mass transit; look at it as a right, like home ownership or an Obama phone. The Users are not contributing their share for the good of all, like the automobile users are.

Smart Liberal

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#46 May 6, 2013
DFL Waste wrote:
<quoted text>
I visited the UD last week during "Rail Week". I was curious how the LRT passengers would transfer to other "Modes" of transportation. Turns out the LRT goes down the middle of 4th Street so LRT passengers must walk outside in order to get into the UD. I expected LRT passengers to be able to walk from a LRT car without being exposed to harsh Minnesota weather, oh well.
I walked around the UD and counted 7 other people in the $500,000,000 building. Of course that doesn't count the bussle of the wonderful restaraunt in the North end of the building, don't understand how that factors into a transportation hub but what do I know.
There are lots of electronic displays much like the airport displaying status of the arriving busses to Mystic Lake and Treasure Island, seems like a Native American transportation hub. There are lots of escalators I'm sure running 24X7 used or not. Applying Garage Logic I'd say a lot of electricity could be saved by making the escalators function on request as opposed to running all the time for NO users.
Lots of polished floors and fancy stuff,$500,000,000 does buy a lot of polished old stuff.
I wonder what DFLer(s) got the kickbacks from the restaraunt owners in the UD?
Understanding the Natives have recently purchased 2 hotels in DT Saint Paul I see things happening for the Natives in Saint Paul, maybe Native gambleing in the UD.
You have been there! Congratulations.

You saw exactly what I saw. It is amazing. A gigantic facility with no one in it. Another white elephant built with our tax dollars.

RE: Casinos in downtown St Paul. The St Paul City Council and the Mayor have all stated categorically that they have no plans for a casino in downtown.

Yeah, right.

Five years from now, there will be a miniscule private sector presence in downtown St Paul, a growing and large government presence (with no tax income as a result of the govt presence) and a huge non-taxpaying casino.

Once this all happens we can again listen to the cries from the government bureaucrats about how they need to tax the producers (businesses all over the State of MN) to pay for the growing number of moochers (the govt bureaucrats).

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