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Bushwhacked

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Apr 30, 2013
The new Central Corridor had its first train move on track.

The bastardized CC line that WAS designed as a Mpls to St Paul high speed line. However St Paul got to looking at the plan and found it would not provide service like a bus system. So they added many new station/stops on Uni and now it's a Bus-Train with many stops and slow movement.

Schmahl Spew

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Apr 30, 2013
Bushwhacked wrote:
The new Central Corridor had its first train move on track.
The bastardized CC line that WAS designed as a Mpls to St Paul high speed line. However St Paul got to looking at the plan and found it would not provide service like a bus system. So they added many new station/stops on Uni and now it's a Bus-Train with many stops and slow movement.
It was designed as light rail, and is light rail.

In building it, they actually had to dig up the rails from the old streetcar line that followed the exact same route, which the bus also followed.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#3 Apr 30, 2013
Trains are more efficient, good leadership there....

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#4 May 1, 2013
Schmahl Spew wrote:
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It was designed as light rail, and is light rail.
In building it, they actually had to dig up the rails from the old streetcar line that followed the exact same route, which the bus also followed.
used to be rails along University Ave. as well as the old paver stones. before they were either ripped up or simply paved over with tar.
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#5 May 1, 2013
494 in plymouth is still 2 lanes......
Bushwhacker

Minneapolis, MN

#6 May 1, 2013
The new lite rail to DT Saint Paul doesn't even go into the newly renovated Union Depot. Much like a bus the lite rail goes down the middle of 4th street NOT into the Union Depot where heavy rail trains and even busses will go.

Are you done laughing?
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#7 May 1, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
The new lite rail to DT Saint Paul doesn't even go into the newly renovated Union Depot. Much like a bus the lite rail goes down the middle of 4th street NOT into the Union Depot where heavy rail trains and even busses will go.
Are you done laughing?
I wonder what would have happened if they worked to make inner city buses more affordable (say 50cents) and didn't build rail....... they could cut suburban buses to accomplish this (oh wait MSP has the godless Met Council, well I hope you enjoy paying bus fare for some ghetto kid in St. Paul then)
Bushwhacker

Minneapolis, MN

#8 May 1, 2013
1776 Defender wrote:
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I wonder what would have happened if they worked to make inner city buses more affordable (say 50cents) and didn't build rail....... they could cut suburban buses to accomplish this (oh wait MSP has the godless Met Council, well I hope you enjoy paying bus fare for some ghetto kid in St. Paul then)
IF I ever retire the godless "design for disaster" Twin Cities WILL NOT be where I live.

Mass transit experts in the know in Twin Cites said before the LRT was built said the Met Council could have implemented an express bus service from Mpls to St Paul using large comfortable busses on smooth roads and the opticon system on University Ave. Once built out and maintained express busses would have been much less expensive, more flexible, faster, less intrusive on traffic, support a bus environment for every corner bus stops, wouldn't need tearup of Uni, etc....

However the LRT pimps won the battle and now we have a bus-train that will be inadaquate in many ways.

It's the libertard way..

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#9 May 1, 2013
1776 Defender wrote:
494 in plymouth is still 2 lanes......
The DFL transportation budget for the coming year includes millions for Trolly Cars, but nothing for additional lanes of freeways.

Why would that be?

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#10 May 1, 2013
1776 Defender wrote:
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I wonder what would have happened if they worked to make inner city buses more affordable (say 50cents) and didn't build rail....... they could cut suburban buses to accomplish this (oh wait MSP has the godless Met Council, well I hope you enjoy paying bus fare for some ghetto kid in St. Paul then)
Seriously, what they should have done was double the number of busses - or triple the number. Then provide free bus fare for everyone.

It would be far cheaper, more flexible, and more responsie than the choo-choo trains could ever be.
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#11 May 1, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Seriously, what they should have done was double the number of busses - or triple the number. Then provide free bus fare for everyone.
It would be far cheaper, more flexible, and more responsie than the choo-choo trains could ever be.
I was thinking free as well,(as many don't pay for the stupid trains anyhow)

-To live and work a decent life in this country you need to be MOBILE (this also includes relocations) the poor tend to live in the inner cities and cores maximize their bus services and honestly just cut the rest..... You don't need a bus from say Lakeville to Dowtown(both)/Airport/MOA.... if a market exists for those routes then a private company will step in..... or you know car.pool.

-As for the number trains tend to cut routes and force the poor who ride them to walk farther distances..... That is not a plus

-Here in Iowa those of us who care about our economy are currently worried about the quality of our roads and interstates because we believe it to be impeding truck travel (and as a result I'm aware that most trucks are TOLD to avoid MSP unless that is their DESTINATION or very close say St. Cloud.... exceptions do exist and they are put onto 494/694....road quality is too poor they say....) that is an issue I would think but apparently not for Met Council as they are content to leave area's like 494 plymouth at 2 lanes
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#12 May 1, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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The DFL transportation budget for the coming year includes millions for Trolly Cars, but nothing for additional lanes of freeways.
Why would that be?
I heard a story that many democrats (and there owners/fundraisers donaters) are actually set to profit.

BTW have you heard this:

"There are no new freeways coming to Minneapolis," said Peter Wagenius, policy director for Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak at Tuesday's Downtown Minneapolis Transportation Summit.

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/201095811.ht...

--So ride our train or else..... That makes sense then of why their neglecting the roads
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#13 May 1, 2013
Trains are more efficient, good leadership there....
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#14 May 2, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Trains are more efficient, good leadership there....
I would like to thank you for representing the liberal view on this: ignorance till death
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#15 May 2, 2013
You're welcome...

PS- Odd saying... family motto, right poopy ??
Bushwhacker

Minneapolis, MN

#16 May 2, 2013
1776 Defender wrote:
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I would like to thank you for representing the liberal view on this: ignorance till death
I'll never buy into claims that transporting people in a HUGE heavy train that runs 24X7 most of the time EMPTY. How that train can be more efficent than automobiles used only when needed and payed for by the owners rather than the taxpayers.
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#17 May 2, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
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I'll never buy into claims that transporting people in a HUGE heavy train that runs 24X7 most of the time EMPTY. How that train can be more efficent than automobiles used only when needed and payed for by the owners rather than the taxpayers.
Liberal logic: Europe does it and it looks cool, as a result we must do it..... Their is no reasoning to be had with 'em
Bushwhacker

Minneapolis, MN

#20 May 2, 2013
The Truth wrote:
Light rail is less expensive than busses, increases ridership and decreases congestion on our roads.
Seriously.

Has the Hiawatha decreased traffic congestion for those waiting 15 mins to cross Hiawatha?

How is the Hiawatha less expensive than busses when every time the Hiawatha is offline the MTC rolls out busses to cary the Hiawatha passengers.

OBVIOUSLY the bus is clearly more flexible than LRT.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#21 May 2, 2013
The Truth wrote:
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That's because you are a semi-illiterate decaying old man who believes that every invention newer than the horse and buggy is bad.
Thankfully you old dinosaurs are dying off at a rapid rate from old age.
Child,

"every invention newer than the horse and buggy"

Trolley cars are a step back about 150 years!

Hip and Cool Demokrats of the 1960's decided that to many of the Sheeple were caught in the past, and "Hubert Humphrey the Original", lead the effort to "Modernize" by tearing out the Trolley Cars, and using Newfangled Buses to make the Cities "Cool" and efficient.

(By the way, Huby made a Fortune with his buddies selling the scrap from the Trolley System, and being a silent partner in Bus Manufacturing)

Gawd it must hurt to be so stupid!

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#22 May 2, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Seriously, what they should have done was double the number of busses - or triple the number. Then provide free bus fare for everyone.
It would be far cheaper, more flexible, and more responsie than the choo-choo trains could ever be.
in some ways what they should have done decades before. was to have merged the rail/street car system with the bus system. those cities in like California did it.
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the rail car aka street car was here in the metro before the buses were. but due to some outside folks, they managed to take over the system
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http://www.trolleyride.org/History/Narrative/... Many remnants of the streetcars remain, if one knows where to look. Many of today's bus routes travel the same streets and bear the same names. The 1914 North Side Station, 1891 East Side Station and the 1885&#8209;vintage 3rd Avenue N. horsecar barn&#8209;general office still stand, used for other purposes. A modern bus garage occupies the site at 31st & Nicollet where a transit facility was first opened in 1879. The Main Steam Station streetcar power plant by St. Anthony Falls now serves the University of Minnesota. Around the city are scattered overhead wire poles and former power substations. Miles of track lie buried under layers of asphalt, and poke through when the pavement deteriorates.

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