Bill Clinton on Gun Control

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Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jan 12, 2013
This says it perfectly.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
This says it perfectly.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It sure does. Nothing says it better than the 2nd Amendment.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jan 12, 2013
Thomas Jefferson said that no constitution should be in force for more than one generation.

This is why.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Thomas Jefferson said that no constitution should be in force for more than one generation.
This is why.
Thomas Jefferson said that? He also said:

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Thomas Jefferson said that no constitution should be in force for more than one generation.
This is why.
Thomas Jefferson said that? He also said:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Jan 12, 2013
Hey smart a55, here is another Jefferson quote that flies in the face of everything you stand for:

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Want some more Jefferson quotes?
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Jan 12, 2013
This isn't the wild wild west any longer. There is no legitimate need or use for assault weapons and large capacity magazines at all.

It is time we join the rest of the civilized world.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Jan 12, 2013
Jefferson died a couple of centuries ago. The world has changed.

It is time for sensible gun control laws.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Jefferson died a couple of centuries ago. The world has changed.
It is time for sensible gun control laws.
Isn't that convenient? You quote Jefferson and then say he does not matter.
You really are one impotent little dweeb, aren't you?
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Jan 12, 2013
Former President Bill Clinton was a surprise guest on Wednesday at the International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, where he seized his opportunity to make a push for greater gun control during a speech about technology.

“I grew up in this hunting culture, but this is nuts,” the Arkansas native said.“Why does anybody need a 30 round clip for a gun? Why does anybody need one of those things that carries 100 bullets?”

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The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Jan 12, 2013
Hitler was for gun control just like Barry obama.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Jan 12, 2013
Actually, not true, Hitler was NOT for gun control. In fact, his policies were less restrictive than other European countries at the time.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Actually, not true, Hitler was NOT for gun control. In fact, his policies were less restrictive than other European countries at the time.
Say what?




"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens.

Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Jan 12, 2013
The Hitler gun control lie

This week, people were shocked when the Drudge Report posted a giant picture of Hitler over a headline speculating that the White House will proceed with executive orders to limit access to firearms. The proposed orders are exceedingly tame, but Drudge’s reaction is actually a common conservative response to any invocation of gun control.

The NRA, Fox News, Fox News (again), Alex Jones, email chains, Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher, Gun Owners of America, etc., all agree that gun control was critical to Hitler’s rise to power. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (“America’s most aggressive defender of firearms ownership”) is built almost exclusively around this notion, popularizing posters of Hitler giving the Nazi salute next to the text:“All in favor of ‘gun control’ raise your right hand.”

In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing:“In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”

And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.

Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.

The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did.“The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_...
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Jan 12, 2013
Hitler took away the guns. Fact.
Musslini took away the guns. Fact.
Barry Obama wants to take away the guns. Fact.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Jan 12, 2013
The Truth wrote:
Hitler took away the guns. Fact.
Musslini took away the guns. Fact.
Barry Obama wants to take away the guns. Fact.
All three of those all false.

Former President Bill Clinton was a surprise guest on Wednesday at the International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, where he seized his opportunity to make a push for greater gun control during a speech about technology.

“I grew up in this hunting culture, but this is nuts,” the Arkansas native said.“Why does anybody need a 30 round clip for a gun? Why does anybody need one of those things that carries 100 bullets?”
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Jan 13, 2013
Consistent wrote:
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All three of those all false.
Former President Bill Clinton was a surprise guest on Wednesday at the International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, where he seized his opportunity to make a push for greater gun control during a speech about technology.
“I grew up in this hunting culture, but this is nuts,” the Arkansas native said.“Why does anybody need a 30 round clip for a gun? Why does anybody need one of those things that carries 100 bullets?”
Dumbo, what are you smoking?

Hitler took away the guns.

'In 1928, five years before the rise of Hitler, Germany's freely elected government enacted a "Law on Firearms and Ammunition." This law required anyone who owned a firearm, or who wanted to own a firearm, to make themselves known to the authorities. Anyone who wanted to purchase a firearm had to get a "Firearms Acquisition Permit." If you needed ammunition, you had to get an "Ammunition Acquisition Permit." When you wanted to go hunting, you had to get an "Annual Hunting Permit." Every firearm that changed hands professionally had to have a serial number and the maker's or dealers name stamped into the metal. "Proof of need" was made a condition for issuance of all licenses, not just the carry permit. Mandatory prison sentences were imposed on anyone who professionally sold or transferred a firearm or ammunition without a license. Truncheons and stabbing weapons were subject to the same licensing requirements as firearms, in terms of their manufacture and sale.'

'As a result of the 1928 Law, all firearms and firearms owners were registered. To take firearms from anyone they distrusted, the Nazis simply did not renew permits. Under the law, their privately created law, the Nazis could now easily confiscate all firearms and ammunition from any, or all, selected groups. The gun law of 1928 had served the Nazis well. It made almost all law abiding firearms owners known to the authorities. The 1928 law on firearms and ammunition helped the Nazis to destroy democracy in Germany, by disarming the law abiding majority, whom they feared.'

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/GunControl/Ar...

This is exactly the same approach being used by the current President. Barry Obama.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Jan 13, 2013
This is from somebodies personal website, not an actual published source.

Like global warming and Obama's birth certificate, Hitler taking away guns is a myth created by the far right.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Jan 13, 2013
Like Bill Clinton should ever talk about gun control. Didn't he see Full Metal Jacket?

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman:[chanting] This is my rifle.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman:[grabbing his crotch] This is my gun.
Marines: This is for fighting.
Marines:[grabbing their crotches] This is for fun.

Bill Clinton has no gun control.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#21 Jan 13, 2013
LOOK OUT non-sense SAND ! LMAOROTFU~!

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