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AntiMelting

New Richmond, WI

#1 Jan 5, 2012
So, where are we at with the choo choo twain boondoggle?

How's business along University?

If the media isn't covering it, it can't be good.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#2 Jan 5, 2012
AntiMelting wrote:
So, where are we at with the choo choo twain boondoggle?
How's business along University?
If the media isn't covering it, it can't be good.
Wasn't there just something the other day about how the Met Council was doing something to help those businesses? Spending more taxpayer money to fix what they broke in the first place?
AntiMelting

New Richmond, WI

#3 Jan 5, 2012
The Progressive circle of life.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4 Jan 5, 2012
I'm sure building our mass transit infrastructure will be cheaper and less intrusive when our metropolitan area gets even bigger, huh?
can you imagine a city like Chicago functioning without their mass transit system?
Do you think it would be better to wait and do it later?
icouldusesomehel p

Long Beach, CA

#5 Jan 5, 2012
When you think about traffic, Los Angeles is the icon for gridlock, right?

Did you also know: Ranked by daily ridership, the Los Angeles subway ranked as the ninth-busiest rapid transit system in the United States. Ranked by passengers per route mile, however, the system ranks sixth, transporting 8,846 passengers per route mile,[32] more than San Francisco's Bay Area Rapid Transit or the Chicago 'L'.

You can spend a gazillion dollars on trains and it doesn't solve a thing. Besides, only the poor take mass transit - busses are just fine and can be easily adjusted to ridership changes.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#6 Jan 5, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
When you think about traffic, Los Angeles is the icon for gridlock, right?
Did you also know: Ranked by daily ridership, the Los Angeles subway ranked as the ninth-busiest rapid transit system in the United States. Ranked by passengers per route mile, however, the system ranks sixth, transporting 8,846 passengers per route mile,[32] more than San Francisco's Bay Area Rapid Transit or the Chicago 'L'.
You can spend a gazillion dollars on trains and it doesn't solve a thing. Besides, only the poor take mass transit - busses are just fine and can be easily adjusted to ridership changes.
La's subway sucks, that is why it is ranked so low.

i know many wealthy people who use the el in chicago.

Your assumptions are just that. Devoid of factual basis.

Actually, L.A. id a great example. Their mass transit sucks so bad because they did not attempt to incorporate it into their systen unrtil too late.

another reason to start it now in the twin cities.

Pay now or pay more later for less return...
icouldusesomehel p

Long Beach, CA

#7 Jan 5, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>La's subway sucks, that is why it is ranked so low.
i know many wealthy people who use the el in chicago.
Your assumptions are just that. Devoid of factual basis.
Actually, L.A. id a great example. Their mass transit sucks so bad because they did not attempt to incorporate it into their systen unrtil too late.
another reason to start it now in the twin cities.
Pay now or pay more later for less return...
Given a choice, people prefer the privacy of their cars. Sitting next to a stranger in a train is NEVER anyone's first pick. I have ridden trains in almost every major U.S. city and every one of them sucks.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#8 Jan 5, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
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Given a choice, people prefer the privacy of their cars. Sitting next to a stranger in a train is NEVER anyone's first pick. I have ridden trains in almost every major U.S. city and every one of them sucks.
Sure. But if you cannot park or it takes you 3 hours to drive the 20 miles into your work and the mass transit takes 20 minutes and you can actually work while you do it most rational people will take the latter option.
icouldusesomehel p

Long Beach, CA

#9 Jan 5, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Sure. But if you cannot park or it takes you 3 hours to drive the 20 miles into your work and the mass transit takes 20 minutes and you can actually work while you do it most rational people will take the latter option.
Care to tell us where that is? Tell me where it take 3 hours to drive 20 miles. BTW: Your train must be really haulin' to average 60 miles an hour!!

Tell me where this is?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#10 Jan 5, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
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Care to tell us where that is? Tell me where it take 3 hours to drive 20 miles. BTW: Your train must be really haulin' to average 60 miles an hour!!
Tell me where this is?
Try London or Washington DC or Chicago. Add snow and it goes up.
Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jan 5, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
I'm sure building our mass transit infrastructure will be cheaper and less intrusive when our metropolitan area gets even bigger, huh?
can you imagine a city like Chicago functioning without their mass transit system?
Do you think it would be better to wait and do it later?
The most successful bus route MTC had was University Avenue. When completed, the Central Corridor 85% of its riders will be composed of former bus riders. What's the point of spending a billion dollars on that? Oh that's right, ut's all about changing behavior to fit the high-density model of cty planning and not about actually reducing traffic. If the Hiawatha line were really about traffic it would have been built on the 35W corridor and not simply where it was easiest to build.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#12 Jan 5, 2012
Wade Gustafson wrote:
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The most successful bus route MTC had was University Avenue. When completed, the Central Corridor 85% of its riders will be composed of former bus riders. What's the point of spending a billion dollars on that? Oh that's right, ut's all about changing behavior to fit the high-density model of cty planning and not about actually reducing traffic. If the Hiawatha line were really about traffic it would have been built on the 35W corridor and not simply where it was easiest to build.
That is very true. the hiawatha line was the result of too many cooks spoiling the soup. too many compromises..

It should have been done with the crosstown commons rebuild.

I'm still not toally convinced that a fleet of buses wouldn't be more efficient than the light rail, but any metro area of our size and bigger needs a comprehensive mass transit plan.
AntiMelting

United States

#13 Jan 5, 2012
More mass transit = more garbage coming to the cities.
Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Jan 5, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>That is very true. the hiawatha line was the result of too many cooks spoiling the soup. too many compromises..
It should have been done with the crosstown commons rebuild.
I'm still not toally convinced that a fleet of buses wouldn't be more efficient than the light rail, but any metro area of our size and bigger needs a comprehensive mass transit plan.
My uncle was on the Met Council when light rail first came up in the 90s. He and another member were not reappointed by Governor Jesse "I Have No Respect for Navy SEALS" Ventura because of his opposition to light rail. He said they could have moved more people, cheaper, and do more to ameliorate highway traffic using more busses that were powered by natural gas. In fact, the number of 600 additional busses for less money comes to mind.
Ex Met Council bus rider

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Jan 5, 2012
Having ridden the Met Council busses I'll tell you unless you ride during rush hour the bus is a he11 hole with all kinds of pimps, muggers, drugys, drunks, crazy people.

I now drive a car to work in St Paul, very sad because the bus was OK for the most part but for the crimminals.

Met Council bus is JUNK!!

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Jan 6, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
You can spend a gazillion dollars on trains and it doesn't solve a thing. Besides, only the poor take mass transit - busses are just fine and can be easily adjusted to ridership changes.
you have obviously not been riding the express buses. most of the folks on at those times of the day, are office folks from the downtown areas. and in many cases, it is standing room for many folks at those times.
cheaper and easier on the nerves than trying to park the car downtown every day while working there. as well as you do not have to worry if someone might be breaking into your vehicle while it is in the public parking ramp or on the street at a meter.
LMAOROTF

Seattle, WA

#20 Jan 6, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
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1. There's a bus/train stop outside my office. The people that take both are people who can't afford cars and parking.
2. Rent a monthly spot and downtown parking is not a problem.
3. Car break ins? Don't leave anything in your car, not a problem.
4. I would not stand on a crowded bus for free much less pay for the favor.
1. You know this BECAUSE you're not working ? Naw, you think this, because you have a overdeveloped feeling of self importance. 2. Hmmm ? Sounds time consuming, expensive, and self limiting.... Just not YOUR problem, huh ? 3. How does nothing stolen repair the breaks in damage, again ? 4. Good for you. Now we know YOUR priorities, but we don't care about YOU, either....
icouldusesomehel p

Long Beach, CA

#21 Jan 6, 2012
LMAOROTF wrote:
<quoted text>1. You know this BECAUSE you're not working ? Naw, you think this, because you have a overdeveloped feeling of self importance. 2. Hmmm ? Sounds time consuming, expensive, and self limiting.... Just not YOUR problem, huh ? 3. How does nothing stolen repair the breaks in damage, again ? 4. Good for you. Now we know YOUR priorities, but we don't care about YOU, either....
1. Can't help but notice out the window during the last 14 years.

2. Parking $75 per month. Cheap.

3. I park in a controlled access structure. Convenient, clean and safe.

4. NOBODY WANTS to take a bus. They do so because they're cheap.

Try again, loser.
LMAOROTF

Seattle, WA

#22 Jan 6, 2012
1. Looking out the window=proof ?

2. Parking 75 per month vs bus pass ?

3. Nice for you... Are you offering me your spot ?

4. Speaking for nobody ? NAW, YOURSELF.....

5. Sorry you lose, again.......

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#23 Jan 6, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
<quoted text>
1. There's a bus/train stop outside my office. The people that take both are people who can't afford cars and parking.
2. Rent a monthly spot and downtown parking is not a problem.
3. Car break ins? Don't leave anything in your car, not a problem.
4. I would not stand on a crowded bus for free much less pay for the favor.
1. I've taken the bus at times. this was when my husband had the car and I needed to get somewhere on days he works.
2. many public parking do NOT allow for renting of private spots. unless the person own a business in that area. even then, they can only allow a amount of time for a customer to park there. or the company owns the entire ramp.
3. does NOT matter if the car look like there is anything valuable or not in it. many criminals who break in will search the car. this includes the glovebox and under the seats.
3a. I've seen cars that are spotless inside and out get stolen. even though nothing valuable was inside.
4. it is MUCH cheaper than parking downtown. and many folks tend to use that park and ride system. it also saves the person who rides the bus having to pay gas, oil and other things for the car. again, it is cheaper and saner to ride the transit. as well as if one works downtown, alot faster getting to work.
since all one has to do when getting off the bus, is head for their employer's worksite. as compared to a car. get to a ramp, get the voucher, try to find a spot. then try to get to a elevator in the parking ramp. run thru the skyway. and maybe end up late to work. as well as add to the pollution by driving a car.
http://www.epa.gov/airquality/peg_caa/carstru...
though it would save more money overall for a person/family if folks in that household biked to work.

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