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digger

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Nov 21, 2012
DSM Local wrote:
Walmart has been on something of a charm offensive where the public is concerned (and an intimidation offensive where its workers are concerned), hoping to blunt the impact of the Black Friday rebellion. Walmart's big claim is that its wages are really quite good, if you happen to be a full-time worker there, anyway. The reality?
A 2005 study from New York University found that Walmart employees earn 28 percent less, on average, than workers employed by other large retailers. At the same time, Walmart’s sheer size and competitive influence exert a downward pressure on wages at other retailers. A study from the University of California Berkeley finds that Walmart store openings in communities lead to the replacement of better paying jobs with jobs that pay less. As a result of this dynamic, average wages for retail workers were 10 percent lower, and their job-based health coverage rate was 5 percentage points less in an area than it would be if Walmart did not exist. The study concludes that in 2000, retail employees nationwide would have taken home $4.5 billion more in their total paycheck if Walmart had not been around.
So Walmart isn't just lousy for its own workers, it makes it worse for all retail workers. That's one reason it's significant that when Walmart is trying to brag about its wages, the claim is that the average pay for a full-time worker is $12.40 an hour. That's just under $26,000 for a year of full-time work, which is below the median wage for an individual. And Walmart is trying to define that in the popular imagination as a good wage.
Part of the way Walmart makes less than $26,000 for a year of full-time work look good, of course, is to deny many of its workers full-time work. Oh, and it pays those workers who'd like to work full-time but don't have that option even less per hour than the lucky, lucky full-time workers. And since they're expected to be available whenever they're called in to work, good luck managing to hold a second crappy part-time job.
Everything Walmart does around wages—from its low starting wages to its huge part-time workforce to its tightly restricted system of raises and promotions to its very claims to being a good employer—is about taking the next step in the race to the bottom, breaking down its workers and making them desperate, driving down the public's understanding of what exactly a good job is. It's time to fight back. Find a Black Friday event near you in the widget at the right.
Given the SKILLS REQUIRED of an average Walmart worker,$12.40 an hour sounds JUST ABOUT RIGHT.

So,'splain to me, just WHY an AVERAGE Walmart worker deserves MORE than $12.40 an hour??

Do they have a COLLEGE DEGREE? Do they have a good work/credit history?? Are they DOPE FREE?? Are they Veterans, or NOT?
Do they have a criminal history? Would be nice to know.

I have NEVER seen a Walmart worker breaking a SWEAT, EVER. Maybe some do, but I have never seen them, and if they do, I *hope* that they are earning more than $12.40 an hour, because they are probably the hardest working employees at Walmart.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Nov 21, 2012
digger wrote:
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So,'splain to me, just WHY an AVERAGE Walmart worker deserves MORE than $12.40 an hour??
So the government doesn't have to provide food stamps and free health care to them, perhaps?
digger

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Nov 21, 2012
The Truth wrote:
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So the government doesn't have to provide food stamps and free health care to them, perhaps?
WHY?? When I was earning $12.40 an hour,**I** never got FOOD STAMPS, FREE HEALTH CARE, HELL, I didn't even get the GI BILL after serving my country FULL TIME in an ACTIVE AIRBORNE UNIT. I had to take out STUDENT LOANS to get educated enough to get a GOOD PAYING JOB, which I PAID BACK IN FULL, LOSER.

So WHEN will STEP UP, and appreciate the past efforts by good citizens like ME, and follow my GOOD EXAMPLE as to WHAT a GOOD CITIZEN SHOULD DO??
digger

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Nov 21, 2012
"The Truth" is a LOSER, dependent on GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS, UNABLE to COMPETE in a COMPETITIVE WORLD, ALWAYS DEPENDENT ON SOMEBODY ELSE, probably calls their parents at LEAST ONCE a DAY, looking for a HANDOUT (not a hand UP), so they can continue on their useless lifestyle, the list goes ON and ON and ON. I have seen this scenario so many times, it's unbelievable.
The Truth Squad

Rancho Mirage, CA

#6 Nov 21, 2012
What DSM Local fails to mention in the diatribe against Walmart is that Grocery Stores do the exact same thing. Only a few full time people with a lot of part time employees who work no more than 32 hours a week. Most major retail businesses work on a percentage of their gross revenue to determine their employment needs. Union leaders would love to have Walmart unionized. More money and power to them with the consumer being the loser.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#7 Nov 21, 2012
The Truth Squad wrote:
What DSM Local fails to mention in the diatribe against Walmart is that Grocery Stores do the exact same thing. Only a few full time people with a lot of part time employees who work no more than 32 hours a week. Most major retail businesses work on a percentage of their gross revenue to determine their employment needs. Union leaders would love to have Walmart unionized. More money and power to them with the consumer being the loser.
Oddly enough, the "consumer" is the non-union folks who cannot afford to shop at the sweatshops WHERE THEY WORK...Poor schmuck, you forget united we bargain, divided we beg...
Tyler Smothers

United States

#8 Jan 15, 2013
There are people that have commented on this topic saying that Walmart employees never break a sweat. Well just for the people that actually believe that I'm here to tell you that is very very far from the truth. I work as a curtiousy associate at the Walmart supercenter in Huntington, IN. I work on an average 16 to 20 hours every 2 weeks making 7.25 (minimum wage) an hour. Thats 4 hrs a day working minimum wage and putting in all the effort i have to do probably the most physically demanding job at walmart. If you think i make enough doing all that, then why dont you Do the math!!!!
Lets even take 10 hrs a week, which is the most hours I ever get.
10 hrs x 7.25 pr/hr =$72.50
$72.50 - taxes comes out to about 64 dollars.
64 dollars a week pushing carts either in the blistering hot summer weather or the horribly freezing winter weather, and all types inbetween. For those of you that say Walmart is a fair company and they pay their workers decent wages I would encourage you to look at the math again. I bust a sweat every day I go into work, and I don't get near what I should get paid. Walmart employees are overworked and underpaid, and I guarantee you that other Walmart employees feel the same way!!!
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jan 15, 2013
The Truth Squad wrote:
What DSM Local fails to mention in the diatribe against Walmart is that Grocery Stores do the exact same thing. Only a few full time people with a lot of part time employees who work no more than 32 hours a week. Most major retail businesses work on a percentage of their gross revenue to determine their employment needs. Union leaders would love to have Walmart unionized. More money and power to them with the consumer being the loser.
I don't always agree with you, but your post here makes a lot of sense to me. Walmart has helped the average person be able to afford more, not only in their stores, but in their competitors.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jan 15, 2013
Tyler Smothers wrote:
There are people that have commented on this topic saying that Walmart employees never break a sweat. Well just for the people that actually believe that I'm here to tell you that is very very far from the truth. I work as a curtiousy associate at the Walmart supercenter in Huntington, IN. I work on an average 16 to 20 hours every 2 weeks making 7.25 (minimum wage) an hour. Thats 4 hrs a day working minimum wage and putting in all the effort i have to do probably the most physically demanding job at walmart. If you think i make enough doing all that, then why dont you Do the math!!!!
Lets even take 10 hrs a week, which is the most hours I ever get.
10 hrs x 7.25 pr/hr =$72.50
$72.50 - taxes comes out to about 64 dollars.
64 dollars a week pushing carts either in the blistering hot summer weather or the horribly freezing winter weather, and all types inbetween. For those of you that say Walmart is a fair company and they pay their workers decent wages I would encourage you to look at the math again. I bust a sweat every day I go into work, and I don't get near what I should get paid. Walmart employees are overworked and underpaid, and I guarantee you that other Walmart employees feel the same way!!!
If there are not workers available to do the jobs, wages will go up. It is economics. If you don't like it, get some training, some education, whatever, and find a better job. That is the reality of a global economy.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#11 Jan 15, 2013
What has been pointed out and I will piggyback on those sentiments, Wallmart has given the American consumer what it wanted, lower prices, more affordable products and in general have reversed the trends of retailers continually raising prices every quarter. In order to do so, it took the steps necessary to maintain and grow their brand, eliminated union labor, reduced and implemented a lower wage scale and limited the number of full time employees to keep the overall payroll in line with the projected profit line. Wallmart's purchasing power has become so great, they dictate price points and profit margins for many of their vendors. Without Wallmart, many would have been in a far worse place during this "recovery" Almost 8% of the workforce is still out of work, so those who work there, be thankful, those who shop there, be thankful things could a damn sight worse
The Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Jan 15, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
What has been pointed out and I will piggyback on those sentiments, Wallmart has given the American consumer what it wanted, lower prices, more affordable products and in general have reversed the trends of retailers continually raising prices every quarter. In order to do so, it took the steps necessary to maintain and grow their brand, eliminated union labor, reduced and implemented a lower wage scale and limited the number of full time employees to keep the overall payroll in line with the projected profit line. Wallmart's purchasing power has become so great, they dictate price points and profit margins for many of their vendors. Without Wallmart, many would have been in a far worse place during this "recovery" Almost 8% of the workforce is still out of work, so those who work there, be thankful, those who shop there, be thankful things could a damn sight worse
What you fail to recognize is that almost without exception, Walmart does not pay its employees a living wage, therefor its employees cannot participate in the recovery because they have zero disposable income, plus because of the low wages and intentional part time status, the tab for health care for many Walmart employees is picked up by us, the taxpayers.

So what is better for my community - if I shop at Cub and pay a little more, where the cashiers make $16 -$17 per hour and get health care benefits, or if I shop at Walmart where the cashiers make $10 per hour and the taxpayers pay their health care.

You are being penny-wise and dollar-foolish. The Walmartization of America - the big boxes that pay little and offer no benefits - is destroying America. You Republicans whine that fewer and fewer Americans pay income taxes and lament at the growth of Medcaid, yet you support every possible thing that lowers wages in America.

Unions? We don't need unions, according to Republicans. It is FAR better for a bakery to hire employees at $10 per hour with no benefits than to pay union members $18 per hour with decent benefits.

But better for who? The very rich that own the large companies certainly benefit, at least in the short run.

But as the Ammerican middle class dries up, so does much of the market for American goods and services, which will cut into the pockets of the rich, and as tax collections decrease so will taxes on the rich.

Think about it. Look at the big picture, the long term.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#13 Jan 15, 2013
The Truth wrote:
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What you fail to recognize is that almost without exception, Walmart does not pay its employees a living wage, therefor its employees cannot participate in the recovery because they have zero disposable income, plus because of the low wages and intentional part time status, the tab for health care for many Walmart employees is picked up by us, the taxpayers.
So what is better for my community - if I shop at Cub and pay a little more, where the cashiers make $16 -$17 per hour and get health care benefits, or if I shop at Walmart where the cashiers make $10 per hour and the taxpayers pay their health care.
You are being penny-wise and dollar-foolish. The Walmartization of America - the big boxes that pay little and offer no benefits - is destroying America. You Republicans whine that fewer and fewer Americans pay income taxes and lament at the growth of Medcaid, yet you support every possible thing that lowers wages in America.
Unions? We don't need unions, according to Republicans. It is FAR better for a bakery to hire employees at $10 per hour with no benefits than to pay union members $18 per hour with decent benefits.
But better for who? The very rich that own the large companies certainly benefit, at least in the short run.
But as the Ammerican middle class dries up, so does much of the market for American goods and services, which will cut into the pockets of the rich, and as tax collections decrease so will taxes on the rich.
Think about it. Look at the big picture, the long term.
Where do you shop for groceries? WallMart? Target? Cub? or Byerly's/Lunds or do you have Coborn's Delivery? You look at the big picture, You and the rest of us Americans wanted and demanded lower prices, we got em at Wallmart, so what did we do? we continued to patronize Wallmart and it got bigger and bigger because it was giving us want we wanted, affordable products! Now because, instead of allowing the economy to flatten then recover, our enlighten morons in DC decide to attempt to control the economic market place, and guess what, they spent billions to save GM and ran up the debt, slowed economic growth and now it is Wallmart's fault because, in order to keep providing lower prices and affordable goods they eliminiate the unions, pay less than Lunds or Byerly's! People are in crisis because you elected a Community Organizer to deal with an economic problem and this is the results. Yet you act like WallMart committed some big crime! NO they don't pay a living wage, they never intended to pay a living wage, they don't offer great health insurance because they never intended to offer great health insurance. Wallmart is the same today as it was 15 years ago, no change in it philosophy, no change in it's mode of operation. I love how you moronic Liberals want to blame Republicans for the mess. You bastards had the chance to put Clinton in office and instead put the one term Senator who hadn't a leadership bone in his body and now you bitch about the results of your moronic decison. Yeah Wallmart is your problem all right! And NO, I don't work for Wallmart, don't have any stock in Wallmart and don't shop at Wallmart for anything other than groceries once in while.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#14 Jan 15, 2013
The Truth wrote:
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What you fail to recognize is that almost without exception, Walmart does not pay its employees a living wage, therefor its employees cannot participate in the recovery because they have zero disposable income, plus because of the low wages and intentional part time status, the tab for health care for many Walmart employees is picked up by us, the taxpayers.
So what is better for my community - if I shop at Cub and pay a little more, where the cashiers make $16 -$17 per hour and get health care benefits, or if I shop at Walmart where the cashiers make $10 per hour and the taxpayers pay their health care.
You are being penny-wise and dollar-foolish. The Walmartization of America - the big boxes that pay little and offer no benefits - is destroying America. You Republicans whine that fewer and fewer Americans pay income taxes and lament at the growth of Medcaid, yet you support every possible thing that lowers wages in America.
Unions? We don't need unions, according to Republicans. It is FAR better for a bakery to hire employees at $10 per hour with no benefits than to pay union members $18 per hour with decent benefits.
But better for who? The very rich that own the large companies certainly benefit, at least in the short run.
But as the Ammerican middle class dries up, so does much of the market for American goods and services, which will cut into the pockets of the rich, and as tax collections decrease so will taxes on the rich.
Think about it. Look at the big picture, the long term.
Full time cashiers at CUB and other union stores make $16 -$17 per hour. Very few - if any - of the cashiers in the grocery stores are full time.

Part time cashiers in grocery stores will make $9 -$12 per hour with very limited benefits.

If you are upset at Wal-Mart's policies, then don't shop there. And get all of the loyal unionistas to quit shopping there.

Wal-Mart will quickly change their ways if they believe that the 25% decline in business is due to being a non-union shop that pays low wages.

But do you know what? Loyal union members shop Wal-Mart as much as Conservatives or as much as Liberals. Everyone shops them because they deliver what the customer demands: value for the dollar spent.

Lastly, don't lament the poor Wal-Mart employee who is just getting by. That is their choice.

We have freedom of choice in this country which includes the ability to choose where we work. Now...if you can't get the job you want, it is upon you to get yourself educated and/or trained in that field to be qualified for the dream job you wish for.

If you don't prepare for your future, it is your problem, not mine.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#15 Jan 15, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>If there are not workers available to do the jobs, wages will go up. It is economics. If you don't like it, get some training, some education, whatever, and find a better job. That is the reality of a global economy.
Nice pretend "theory", that forgets Walmart depress the are's jobs by killing competition and WE TAXPAYERS subsidize the Walmart empire. In your world, people don't have homes and can follow the money, in the real world, you're a complete hater, moron, afraid of SAND !! LMAOROTFU~!
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#16 Jan 15, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Full time cashiers at CUB and other union stores make $16 -$17 per hour. Very few - if any - of the cashiers in the grocery stores are full time.
Part time cashiers in grocery stores will make $9 -$12 per hour with very limited benefits.
If you are upset at Wal-Mart's policies, then don't shop there. And get all of the loyal unionistas to quit shopping there.
Wal-Mart will quickly change their ways if they believe that the 25% decline in business is due to being a non-union shop that pays low wages.
But do you know what? Loyal union members shop Wal-Mart as much as Conservatives or as much as Liberals. Everyone shops them because they deliver what the customer demands: value for the dollar spent.
Lastly, don't lament the poor Wal-Mart employee who is just getting by. That is their choice.
We have freedom of choice in this country which includes the ability to choose where we work. Now...if you can't get the job you want, it is upon you to get yourself educated and/or trained in that field to be qualified for the dream job you wish for.
If you don't prepare for your future, it is your problem, not mine.
Not everyone lives in a Corvair van... Some folks own homes, which are harder to move, than your UNREAL/NONSENSICAL STORIES .. Good to hear, you hate working Americans, perhaps YOU should hit the road.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Jan 15, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Not everyone lives in a Corvair van... Some folks own homes, which are harder to move, than your UNREAL/NONSENSICAL STORIES .. Good to hear, you hate working Americans, perhaps YOU should hit the road.
Do you try to be this stupid? Or does it just come naturally for you?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#18 Jan 15, 2013
Do you realize you improperly combined a single sentence into 2 ?? Probably not, since you're actually stupid, right ??? LMAOROTFU~!
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Jan 15, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Do you realize you improperly combined a single sentence into 2 ?? Probably not, since you're actually stupid, right ??? LMAOROTFU~!
Translation: Slewpid is that stupid naturally.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#20 Jan 15, 2013
Nice translation, except the word you're looking for is PERVERSION !!! Nice "stupid" spelling, 3rd grader....
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Jan 15, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Nice translation, except the word you're looking for is PERVERSION !!! Nice "stupid" spelling, 3rd grader....
Anyone who says their favorite toy is a little boy, like you do, is a pervert.
You got that one right.

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