Authoritarianism vs. Liberty

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“GiveMe Liberty or GiveMe Death”

Since: Jun 13

Land of Liberty

#1 Jul 25, 2013
Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk spying
Remember when Democrats used to object so earnestly when Dick Cheney would scream "The Terrorists!" every time someone tried to rein in the National Security State just a bit and so modestly protect basic civil liberties? How well they have learned: now, a bill to ban the government from collecting the telephone records of all Americans, while expressly allowing it to collect the records of anyone for whom there is evidence of wrongdoing, is - in the language of the House Democratic Leadership - a bill to Protect The Terrorists.
None of this should be surprising. Remember: this is the same Nancy Pelosi who spent years during the Bush administration pretending to be a vehement opponent of the illegal Bush NSA warrantless eavesdropping program after it was revealed by the New York Times, even though (just as was true of the Bush torture program) she was secretly briefed on it many years earlier when it was first implemented. At the end of June, we published the top secret draft report by the Inspector General's office of the NSA that was required to provide a comprehensive history of the NSA warrantless eavesdropping program secretly ordered by Bush in late 2001.

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So the history of Democratic leaders such as Nancy Pelosi isn't one of opposition to mass NSA spying when Bush was in office, only to change positions now that Obama is. The history is of pretend opposition - of deceiving their supporters by feigning opposition - while actually supporting it.

But the most notable aspect of yesterday's events was the debate on the House floor. The most vocal defenders of the Obama White House's position were Rep. Mike Rogers, the very hawkish GOP Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and GOP Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. Echoing the Democratic House leadership, Bachmann repeatedly warned that NSA bulk spying was necessary to stop "Islamic jihadists", and she attacked Republicans who supported de-funding for rendering the nation vulnerable to The Terrorists.

Meanwhile, Amash led the debate against the NSA program and repeatedly assigned time to many of the House's most iconic liberals to condemn in the harshest terms the NSA program defended by the Obama White House. Conyers repeatedly stood to denounce the NSA program as illegal, unconstitutional and extremist. Manhattan's Jerry Nadler said that "no administration should be permitted to operate beyond the law, as they've been doing". Newly elected Democrat Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, an Iraq War combat veteran considered a rising star in her party, said that she could not in good conscience take a single dollar from taxpayers to fund programs that infringe on exactly those constitutional rights our troops (such as herself) have risked their lives for; she told me after the vote, by Twitter direct message, that the "battle [was] lost today but war not over. We will continue to press on this issue."

In between these denunciations of the Obama NSA from House liberals, some of the most conservative members of the House stood to read from the Fourth Amendment. Perhaps the most amazing moment came when GOP Rep. James Sensenbrenner - the prime author of the Patriot Act back in 2001 and a long-time defender of War on Terror policies under both Bush and Obama - stood up to say that the NSA's domestic bulk spying far exceeds the bounds of the law he wrote as well as his belief in the proper limits of domestic surveillance, and announced his support for Amash/Conyers. Sensenbrenner was then joined in voting to de-fund the NSA program by House liberals such as Barbara Lee, Rush Holt, James Clyburn, Nydia Velázquez, Alan Grayson, and Keith Ellison.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#2 Jul 25, 2013
Crapola central, blaming Obama for Bush era spyware...

Guy who wrote it PLAYS POLITICS ~!!??? HECK, HE WROTE THE LAWS ~!!!

WOW !

You're either an idiot or well on your way.
1776 Defender

Ankeny, IA

#3 Jul 25, 2013
So you have the "establishement" that supports it and then you have the Libertarians that are against.

I wonder which stands with the American people.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#4 Jul 25, 2013
One of the most vocal supporters of the Obama White House's position on yesterday's NSA debate: GOP Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.

Oopsie, you forgot RE-AL-I-TY !!!

“GiveMe Liberty or GiveMe Death”

Since: Jun 13

Land of Liberty

#5 Jul 25, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
One of the most vocal supporters of the Obama White House's position on yesterday's NSA debate: GOP Congresswoman Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.
Oopsie, you forgot RE-AL-I-TY !!!
Bachman is a member of the establishement, and had to start her own little version of a tea party to act like she belonged. So you agree with her? Good to know.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#6 Jul 25, 2013


I agree with Bachmann ? Oh right, the childish abortion supporter...

Call SWAT, bYtch...
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Jul 25, 2013
1776 Defender wrote:
So you have the "establishement" that supports it and then you have the Libertarians that are against.
I wonder which stands with the American people.
Certainly not the libertarians. They have the support of something like 1% of the American people.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#8 Jul 25, 2013
"Bachman is a member of the establishement,"

DOWN WITH SPELLING, up with STOOPIDITY !!!

“GiveMe Liberty or GiveMe Death”

Since: Jun 13

Land of Liberty

#19 Jul 27, 2013
redeemer wrote:
Authoritarianism IS expression of liberty by the elites.
Also you lemmings ALLOW such authoritarianism. Therefore authoritarianism is merely what the lemmings wish to have.
When will you understand that people like the comfort of cages and being told what to think...what to do.
Authoritarianism IS expression of liberty by the people. Otherwise they wouldn't tolerate it. You see people do more than break a few windows or blow themselves up if government oppresses them?
We ain't living in 1776 anymore....
The majority of docile sheep have spoken.
The majority prefer authoritarianism. They chose it. An expression of their liberty.
How do you give democracy to people who vote to not have democracy?
How do you give liberty to who choose to be told how to live?
Authoritarianism is the liberty the masses have wanted.
They don't want more liberty.
Sad situation but I can't disagree.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Jul 27, 2013
redeemer wrote:
You are the fat kid paying huck finn to paint his fence.
<quoted text>
Ass pimples.
And I use redeemers.
Cause he's a pos just like you who needs to die.
Hahaha LOL come out of your cold dark damp hole coward and make my day but you won't because you're afraid and you know that i'm the real undisputed redeemer and you're just using my name to get some of my attention and does it feel to be a star for a day fraud and btw you're dying before me byhahaha and you know it.
Spit on 1776

Seattle, WA

#21 Jul 27, 2013
Sad situation, but I want to steal SOMETHING, from a black man.... because I'm a racist wannabee....

Oh sorry Red, I was channeling, dip wad....
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#29 Jul 27, 2013
I can't write tripe like you.....

Of course, who would want to ?

Yea ??? LMAOROFU~!

Too bad, you cannot write it WELL.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#31 Jul 27, 2013
When you decide you're superior, tell me a stock I can watch double.... in the next few months.

Like I did.

Your blathering has no value.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#32 Jul 27, 2013
I too, like you, failed basic English...SO i BlAtHeReD like a moron to justify my undeserved arrogance...

Hey, time to bar-b-que & party, gotta go ugly ho...
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#34 Jul 27, 2013
I could write a few hundred more.

Too bad, you can't say the same.

Love dat hypocrisy, cards tomorrow chump....
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#36 Jul 27, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>
You think you are alive? Is life merely the pumping of your heart? Getting up in the morning and going to bed at night is life?
You are a dead man walking.
Zombie.
One of the masses of flesh we could use as cannon fodder.
You are no more alive than a cell in a dish in a lab.
Braindead zombies
I'm very much alive and well you fraud what ever happen to you being a super hero you looney retard space ace you dumb mf'er why don't your silly as make an ass out of yourself using your own name idiot?
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#39 Jul 27, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>
I too like you wanted people to determine the fate of their own lives.
To give the freedom and empowerment of choosing ones own destiny.
But people are...well..."too human".(Nietsche)
So do what you can for yourself.
If some people want to be sheep...do what they want you to do and herd them.
Use them for materials or meat.
Lots of people wouldn't want it any other way.
I have no sympathy or desire to promote liberty to people who shun personal responsibilities.
So enslave those who desire to be enslaved.
You are merely respecting their liberty to shun liberty.
There are leaders and followers. Sheep and the shepherds.
Why make sheep herd themselves when they don't want to herd themselves?
If they tried...they would just fall off a cliff.
Digger you retarded mf'er you write like you're writing on kindergarten line paper LOL you're dumber then a box of rocks.
You must not have taken your meds fool also what liberty have you lost idiot or you in jail or a insane asylum? you really need help the next thing that will happen is the Bugs will start crawling inside of your head man.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#47 Jul 27, 2013
redeemer wrote:
Lol what liberty to do you have besides deciding to eat at mcdonalds or burger king?
You don't have a say in foreign or domestic policies.
Lol elites tells you you want immigration reform. Now you want immigration reform.
Lol you don't have a say in monetary policies.
LOL even if you did have a say....WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY SAY?
LOL stupid ass sheeps pretending they have a say in anything.
Just too damn pathetic the masses are.
Your problem my boy is that you lack confidence in yourself because your a sheep and you're weak you lack self esteem and courage because you have no faith or spirit de corp and that's why you're a coward and a loser besides being a damn fool to boot
also idiot I have plenty of choices where I eat idiot why don't you are you institutionalize you sure act like it I could help you but I won't because I don't like you. hahahaha but in a sort of weird way you do sort of compliment me but I won't let it go to my head LOL.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#48 Jul 27, 2013
Seek help, you're diseased.
Space azz

Seattle, WA

#49 Jul 27, 2013
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got no money cuz I got no job
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in awful mess
I blew in town 40 years ago, I ain't seen a lotta girls since then
If I could find'em I could get'em but as yet I have'nt met'em
That's why I'm in the shape I'm in ohhhh

Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got no money cuz I got no job
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in awful mess
Another fella told me he had a sister that looked so fine
Instead of being my deliverance, she had a strong resemblance
To a cat named Frankenstein ohhhh....

Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got no money cuz I got no job
How I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in awful mess
It's hard for a fella, when he don't know his way around
If I can't find me a honey to help me spend her money
I'm gonna have to blow this town ohhh....

Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I got no money cuz I got no job
How I wish I had someone to talk to
Im in awful mess

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