Obama has told us, He is a Christian, But!!!

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#1 May 2, 2013
The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.

(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)

Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.

So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.

This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.

In response to the Pentagon’s plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning:

It’s a matter of what do they mean by "proselytizing." ...I think they’ve got their defintions a little confused. If you’re talking about coercion that’s one thing, but if you’re talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.”
FRC has launched a petition here which has already collected over 60,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#3 May 2, 2013
The Truth wrote:
Ever heard of separation of church and state?
You give up your right to free speech when you join the armed forces.
Do soldiers that were drafted give up that right? Shouldn't be any different for an all volunteer force. You don't give up your right to free speech by joining the military.
Capt Crunch

Sedona, AZ

#4 May 2, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.
(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” Berious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.
This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.
In response to the Pentagon’s plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning:
It’s a matter of what do they mean by "proselytizing." ...I think they’ve got their defintions a little confused. If you’re talking about coercion that’s one thing, but if you’re talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.”
FRC has launched a petition here which has already collected over 60,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.
That was step one. Step two will be a ruling that proslytizing will be permitted, mopening the door dor open Muslim recruitment of the armed forces. Step three will ensble the advancement of AKA barack Obama to dictator.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#5 May 2, 2013
Niether of the Above wrote:
The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.
(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
So President Barack Obama’s civilian appointees who lead the Pentagon are confirming that the military will make it a crime--possibly resulting in imprisonment--for those in uniform to share their faith. This would include chaplains—military officers who are ordained clergymen of their faith (mostly Christian pastors or priests, or Jewish rabbis)--whose duty since the founding of the U.S. military under George Washington is to teach their faith and minister to the spiritual needs of troops who come to them for counsel, instruction, or comfort.
This regulation would severely limit expressions of faith in the military, even on a one-to-one basis between close friends. It could also effectively abolish the position of chaplain in the military, as it would not allow chaplains (or any service members, for that matter), to say anything about their faith that others say led them to think they were being encouraged to make faith part of their life. It’s difficult to imagine how a member of the clergy could give spiritual counseling without saying anything that might be perceived in that fashion.
In response to the Pentagon’s plans, retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, who is now executive vice president of the Family Research Council (FRC), said on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning:
It’s a matter of what do they mean by "proselytizing." ...I think they’ve got their defintions a little confused. If you’re talking about coercion that’s one thing, but if you’re talking about the free exercise of our faith as individual soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, especially for the chaplains, they I think the worst thing we can do is stop the ability for a soldier to be able to exercise his faith.”
FRC has launched a petition here which has already collected over 60,000 signatures, calling on Secretary Hagel is stop working with Weinstein and his anti-Christian organization to develop military policy regarding religious faith.
Their must be something wrong with the drinking water in Wisconsin,you should inform the EPA,you have lost your once sane functional mind,that's so sad NOA,you're been compromised by Fox,do you have any valid references of these accusations?
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#6 May 2, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>Their must be something wrong with the drinking water in Wisconsin,you should inform the EPA,you have lost your once sane functional mind,that's so sad NOA,you're been compromised by Fox,do you have any valid references of these accusations?
"do you have any valid references of these accusations?"

Rocket Scientist,

The article he cut/paste is FILLED with "References".

Read the Fauching Article, and Google what you do not comprehend.

There must be an Ebonics Translator on line that you can use to read the article in Ebonese'?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#7 May 2, 2013
It’s OK to evangelize. But it’s not OK to proselytize.

That’s what the Pentagon said Thursday, attempting to clarify its position on religious speech in uniform as controversy swirled up around press reports over possible prosecutions of troops for sharing their faith.

What it comes down to, officials said, is that discussing matters of faith and religious practice with a willing audience is allowed, but pushing religious beliefs on those who don’t want to hear it is a form of harassment forbidden under Defense Department policies.

“Service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs (proselytization),” Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said in a written statement.

Officials said there was no plan to step up disciplinary action to weed out unacceptable religious speech.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#8 May 2, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
It’s OK to evangelize. But it’s not OK to proselytize.
That’s what the Pentagon said Thursday, attempting to clarify its position on religious speech in uniform as controversy swirled up around press reports over possible prosecutions of troops for sharing their faith.
What it comes down to, officials said, is that discussing matters of faith and religious practice with a willing audience is allowed, but pushing religious beliefs on those who don’t want to hear it is a form of harassment forbidden under Defense Department policies.
“Service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs (proselytization),” Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said in a written statement.
Officials said there was no plan to step up disciplinary action to weed out unacceptable religious speech.
Iddiot,

Please identify where it was that you got another persons thoughts that you have Cut/Paste!
non-starter is an idiot

Minneapolis, MN

#9 May 2, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Do soldiers that were drafted give up that right? Shouldn't be any different for an all volunteer force. You don't give up your right to free speech by joining the military.
Try exercising your right of free speach to your drill sergeant and see where it gets you.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#10 May 2, 2013
non-starter is an idiot wrote:
<quoted text>
Try exercising your right of free speach to your drill sergeant and see where it gets you.
Unfortunately, The Commander-in-Chief is not worthy of respect, and the Grunts will not show him the honor due a legitimate Commander-in-Chief!

There is a thing called "Unlawful Order", and the King may come up against Constitutional Marines that will not obey an "Unlawful Order", from the Nobel Peace Prize President that would rather Golf then be a Leader!
Drunken Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#11 May 2, 2013
More completely illogical drunken rants from the far right wing extremist in Wisconsin.

You just can't accept the you lost big time and that the Republikan party is moving away from your radical views and toward the center.

Like you kept saying: "The only poll that counts is the one in November". And America spoke in November, loud and clear!
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#12 May 2, 2013
Drunken Consistent wrote:
More completely illogical drunken rants from the far right wing extremist in Wisconsin.
You just can't accept the you lost big time and that the Republikan party is moving away from your radical views and toward the center.
Like you kept saying: "The only poll that counts is the one in November". And America spoke in November, loud and clear!
I feel like a loser.....but Amerika, now here we have a winner under the Rule of King Barry.

Bahayahahayahahyhh!
Consistently Drunk

Minneapolis, MN

#13 May 2, 2013
Consistent wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel like a loser.....but Amerika, now here we have a winner under the Rule of King Barry.
Bahayahahayahahyhh!
You are absolutely sloshed, aren't you.
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#14 May 2, 2013
Consistently Drunk wrote:
<quoted text>
You are absolutely sloshed, aren't you.
Brilliant Come Back....

Baahayahahayhahhh!
Drunken Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#15 May 2, 2013
I speak the truth. You speak whatever the vodka tells you to.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#16 May 2, 2013
non-starter is an idiot wrote:
<quoted text>
Try exercising your right of free speach to your drill sergeant and see where it gets you.
Like you were ever in the service.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#17 May 3, 2013
My favorite non-smart comment, was the 787 will never fly passengers with lithium ion batteries... RIGHT !!???

"Lithium ion batteries should NEVER have been approved for this application, and the FAA is more likely to mandate Boeing use a different battery technology."

Look at those BIG BIRDS, right buddy ???

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#18 May 3, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
It’s OK to evangelize. But it’s not OK to proselytize.
That’s what the Pentagon said Thursday, attempting to clarify its position on religious speech in uniform as controversy swirled up around press reports over possible prosecutions of troops for sharing their faith.
What it comes down to, officials said, is that discussing matters of faith and religious practice with a willing audience is allowed, but pushing religious beliefs on those who don’t want to hear it is a form of harassment forbidden under Defense Department policies.
“Service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs (proselytization),” Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said in a written statement.
Officials said there was no plan to step up disciplinary action to weed out unacceptable religious speech.
Here is the address, you will have to sign a waiver and prove you can defend yourself. I can have them waive the guest fee!
6511 Ware Road, Circle Pines, anytime after 6 and before 8. You do have at least a Green Belt right? You need help with money for an airline ticket? Cash in some of that IMMR stock you keep bragging about! Come on Step up little one! Be A MAN! Show me you have some balls!

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#20 May 3, 2013
The Truth wrote:
6511 Ware Road, Circle Pines is the address for the Allure Salon Spa.
What does Neither plan to do to Slew, give her a pedicure?
The 1/2 Truth strikes again, knowing full well there are 3 other business located at that same address.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#21 May 3, 2013
It’s OK to evangelize. But it’s not OK to proselytize.

That’s what the Pentagon said Thursday, attempting to clarify its position on religious speech in uniform as controversy swirled up around press reports over possible prosecutions of troops for sharing their faith.

What it comes down to, officials said, is that discussing matters of faith and religious practice with a willing audience is allowed, but pushing religious beliefs on those who don’t want to hear it is a form of harassment forbidden under Defense Department policies.

“Service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs (proselytization),” Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen said in a written statement.

Officials said there was no plan to step up disciplinary action to weed out unacceptable religious speech.

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