Lamar pays $747/mo to lease discontinued, old police cars ?
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#1 Feb 27, 2013
What a deal! I can get an Escalade or BMW cheaper. And that price does not include the $10K extra for interest on the lease. And some of them sit idle till needed, but pay for now, plus interest.
also approved a master equip-
ment lease-purchase agree-
ment between Ford Motor
Credit and Union County
for eight 2011 Crown Victo-
ria Police cars for the Union
County Sheriff’s Office. at a
cost of $215,200.
There will be three
annual lease payments of
$75,235.01 each, Paris said.
“These vehicles may not all go into service right
now, but we had the opportuni-
ty to purchase these new 2011
Ford Crown Vics,” Commis-
sioner Paris said.“These are
the vehicle of choice for law
enforcement and we were able
to acquire some of the last re-
maining ones that will ever be
sold as Ford has stopped mak-
said that a business already
in Union County continues to
service Crown Victorias and
#2 Feb 27, 2013
Crown Vics used to have a little fire problem.
#3 Feb 27, 2013
An Escalade or BMW for $27,000 each, really now, what world are you living in?
#4 Feb 28, 2013
The replacements are an improvement beter mileage and electronics. Could have bought Dodge Chargers for 5 Grand less and had a HEMI
#5 Feb 28, 2013
The Gooberville police should drive old station wagons with red ceelophane comvering the tail lights and platic wrap to replace broken windows and no mufflers. that way they would blend in better with most of the vehicles in the county.
#6 Feb 28, 2013
Real smart move there Lamar. Why don't we buy a few old model tractors to keep in storage for the time we might need them to mow our great Golf course. No wonder this county is going down the tubes. I guess this deal was made in NC.
#7 Feb 28, 2013
It's a lease 'moran', not a purchase. And yes you can lease an Escalade or BMW for $780/mo, which is what the leasing is costing the county per vehicle.
You must be Lamar's math teacher.
#8 Feb 28, 2013
What's a moran? Maybe Moron? No spell check?
#9 Feb 28, 2013
no, only quotation marks, when attempting to make a joke, being facetious.
But very difficult so far.
#10 Feb 28, 2013
You'll notice in the article posted above that it is a lease-purchase. But you are the "moran."
#11 Feb 28, 2013
Lots of missing facts that people are jumping to conclusions on.
1st off there seems to be lots of confusion regarding the mixing and matching of the terms "Lease" "Lease-Purchase" and "Purchase". All 3 terms are used at various junctures in the original comments.
As usual, Lamar is challenged by things like Math & Facts. Let's look at what was said and do the math.
1) There is a "Lease-Purchase" deal for $215,200
2) But there are 3 "Lease" payments of $75,235.01 each. THAT totals up to $225,705.03.
3) Lamar says "we had the opportunity to purchase" the vehicles.
A "Lease", which in this case means $225,705.03, is a 3 year rental. You have to give rentals back at the end of the term.
A "Purchase" means you get to Keep the vehicle.
The missing bit of information seems to be the "Lease Purchase" payout, which is usually a lump sum due at the end of the "Lease". Lamar failed to mention what that amount was, or where that money would come from. My guess is the cost will be almost as much as the initial 3 Lease Payments combined, and that there will probably be financing involved which requires even more interest payments.
I'd estimate what,$400,000+ will be shelled out before the cars are actually "Owned".
But we are dealing with Lamar, so you have to always remember that he is mathematically challenged, and has issues with being able to give you the full range of facts.
#12 Feb 28, 2013
Just spit it out. Lamar does not know what it means to tell the whole truth.... tells just enough to say he told you
#13 Feb 28, 2013
you used the words Lamar and Facts in the same sentence. is that a double negative ? or is it just wrong?
#14 Feb 28, 2013
let Lamar drive one of these old vehicle for his county vehicle, I think anyone whom works for the county and needs a vehicle give them one of these pieces of crap vehicles Lamar bought for deputies. I personally want the deputies responding to a call for me and flying balls to the wall in a safe new patrol car, not some piece of shit that could get them or me killed. Lamar try using your brain for once, but I guess it is not your ass that you are worried about driving those pieces of shit running code 3
#15 Mar 2, 2013
Has anybody thought that these cars don't come from the dealer with lights or any police equiptment, so that is probably an extra expense for these cars as well. What a Deal!$26,500 for each car then $3500-4000 to outfit the car.
Since: Dec 10
#16 Mar 2, 2013
Why should Lamar worry about how our money is being spent! He does everything he can to get out of paying property taxes so he does not care how much we have to pay on ours.
#17 Mar 3, 2013
yeah, we should have some of those Dodge Chargers that are really fun and fast for officers. They make you want to put the pedal to the metal. And they're safe too. This officer survived unhurt.
DOWNTOWN | GSP Trooper had history of accidents
Jan 7, 2012
ATLANTA - The Georgia State Patrol Trooper who was involved in a wreck that killed the wife of Atlanta Braves Trainer Jeff Porter had a history of car accidents in his ten year history.
Since he joined the State Patrol in 2002, Trooper Donald Crozier has been involved in twenty accidents in his patrol car, according to his personnel record.
Seven of those accidents were determined to be his fault and he was disciplined for them. Since 2008 he had been at fault in five accidents. Last year he had two accidents in two days. One on February 8, 2011 and one on February 10,2011. He was at fault in both accidents.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating the most recent crash on New Years Eve when Kathy Porter was killed. According to witnesses at the scene Trooper Crozier "failed to use due regard when traveling through the intersection at Capitol Avenue and Memorial Drive on a red light."
Crozier was fired Friday. The State Patrol's Commissioner said in a written statement Friday.
RAW AUDIO | 911 Call in wreck that killed Braves trainer's wife - Call 1
RAW AUDIO | 911 Call in wreck that killed Braves trainer's wife - Call 2
RAW AUDIO | 911 Call in wreck that killed Braves trainer's wife - Call 3
"Earlier today, I terminated the employment of [Trooper First Class] Donald Crozier as a trooper in the Georgia State Patrol," Colonel Mark McDonough said in the statement.
REPORT | GSP Crash Report Capitol & Memorial
STATEMENT | GSP Commissioner Colonel Mark McDonough Remarks on the Wreck
"We extend our deepest condolences to the Porter family on their loss and they, along with Ms. Williams, remain in our thoughts and prayers," McDonough said.
RELATED | State may not pay damages in wreck that killed wife of Braves trainer
The GBI and Fulton County District Attorney's office were investigating the Saturday crash that killed 54-year-old Kathy Porter.
The Georgia State Patrol initially reported Jeff Porter was behind the wheel of his Ford Expedition, when a state trooper crashed into the vehicle at the intersection of Memorial Drive and Capitol Avenue in downtown Atlanta.
RELATED | Investigation underway into crash that killed wife of Braves trainer
Trooper First Class Donald Crozier, a 10-year veteran of the force, was traveling westbound on Memorial Drive with his lights and siren activated on his way to assist another trooper who was attempting to stop a motorcycle on I-20, according to the GSP.
The patrol car hit Porter's SUV on the passenger's side, pushing the vehicle into a utility pole.
Jeff Porter, his 19-year-old son David and 18-year-old Courtney Ann Williams were treated for injuries at Grady Memorial Hospital. They've all been released.
Crozier was also taken to Grady to be examined, according to the GSP. He was initially placed on administrative leave.
The crash was also investigated by the Georgia State Patrol's Specialized Collision Reconstruction Team.
Crozier issued a statement through attorney Michael Hawkins, Friday afternoon: "I am still suffering emotionally and physically as a result of the accident, but it is nothing compared to what the Porter family is going through. I am so sorry for their loss and I think of them and pray for them every day."
Crozier said he will continue to cooperate with investigators looking into the accident.
#18 Mar 5, 2013
Is it asking too much for Charles to print all the facts? Our town paper has become a joke. They should just pass out pen and paper and let all the corrupt county officials write their own stories.
#19 Mar 21, 2013
Posted: Thursday, March 21st 2013 at 3:43pm
Hall County unveils refurbished patrol cars
By B.J. Williams Editor
When he was running for sheriff of Hall County last year, Gerald Couch promised he would cut costs in the department, and Thursday he displayed a refurbished patrol car that costs thousands less than a new vehicle.
The 2001 Crown Victoria is the first of several the sheriff plans to add to the county fleet.
Couch approached the Hall County Commission in January with his plan to refurbish aging vehicles, rather than purchase brand new ones as a cost-saving measure for the department.
Couch estimated the cost savings for each vehicle will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $17,000.
"The basic package on a new car may be between $26,000 and $28,000, and of course with all the extra equipment that goes into a new car...would run the price up to about $36,000," Couch said.
The refurbished vehicle, which had been in service for 12 years and logged more than 172,000 road miles, now has a new engine and drive train, as well as a made-over interior.
Sgt. Mark Blihovde will be driving the refurbished car.
"It drives just like a new Crown Vic. The suspension is tighter on it, back to what it should be. The steering is back to where it should be as well."
The paint job on the exterior is new, too, and the white paint is less expensive than the gold paint on other patrol cars.
While, those new components were necessary, Couch said not everything on the vehicle is brand new.
"The existing blue lights, the existing radio, the existing siren and the existing cage. The cage that separates the officer from a person that we arrest, that cage only fits a Crown Victoria. They quit making them in 2011," Couch said.
Jacky Jones Lincoln did the mechanical work and Jacky Jones Ford did the paint on the refurbished vehicle and even included a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.
According to the HSCO, the department has been able to replace only a very small number of patrol cars over the past four years because of budget restrictions. Normally, the department would need to replace about 25 patrol cars annually.
Couch said there are 48 vehicles in the fleet right now with more than 200,000 miles and the repairs on those vehicles are getting costly.
"With this new program, those same vehicles can begin life anew and provide us [the department] with more years of service."
#20 Mar 21, 2013
I'm confused. People keep saying that these are old, unsafe cars. According to the opening post they are NEW 2011 models. Those are only 2 years old. These are probably the same people who say the schools should keep maintaining their 20 year old buses instead of buying a few new ones to replace the oldest ones.
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