Who was the greatest, The Beatles or Stones?

Nov 23, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Tahoe Daily Tribune

What: Beatles vs. Stones When: 7:30 p.m. Friday and Saturday, Nov. 23-24 Where: Harrah's South Shore Room Tickets: $22 STATELINE, Nev.

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Bubba wrote:
<quoted text>I agree Charlie Watts isn't fancy but he is solid and a underrated drummer.Those old Stones just keep rockin and rollin.
Charlie always has that same look on his face as he is playing.

He never misses a beat.

Perfect every single time without showing off.

He is one of the finest drummers in rock history and keeps going.

Yeah, The Rolling Stones still impress.

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Also, the Beatles had a greater influence on music, culture, fashion, entertainment and history.
Plus they could outsell the Stones individually too. What great stuff did Keith or Mick do solo-wise? Plus they didnt let Ron Wood, Mick Taylor, Bill Wyman or Charlie Watts write songs.
Keith Richard's "Talk Is Cheap" is a great solo album by him.

Though true that Mick Jagger's solo stuff sucks, who really cares?

It's The Beatles cultural media that keeps The Beatles alive.

Quite frankly, I don't think The Rolling Stones care.

They just keep going and sell out every single time.

None of the other British Invasion bands can match The Stones.

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Which group created such out-of-control hysteria they couldn't even carry on performing anymore?
The Stones are a top performing group, but only because their audiences never destroyed stadiums, kept their screaming at a reasonable level and actually came to hear the music?
And finally, which group paved the way for the British Invasion? Would the Stones have even made it without The Beatles opening the doors to the rest of the world?
The Stones were never a boy band that attracted teenaged girls.

Their early records were blues based, a little bit darker.

I know Mick Jagger loved The Beatles and supported their music.

But I don't think that he planned on The Stones being The Beatles.

All the British Invasion bands that matter, took different paths.

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I like the Beatles more, they experimentated and created many different sounds. That's why the Stones imitated them;they couldn't follow their steps in creating something different than R&B. But, to that they were and still are, magnificent. The Stones as rockers are beyond comparison. However, when the Beatles wanted to, they could rock the place. Listen, Lennon-McCartney-Harrison were too many different candies in one box while the Stones had one flavour.
The Rolling Stones created different sounds, man.

Mick Jagger has always had a desire to do funky black jams.

That is how their disco period came about with "Miss You"

Dude, The Beatles failed as a live band. The Rolling Stones didn't.

It was all hype built for The Beatles from the very beginning.

Kinda like when the mass media praise Sinatra over Dean Martin.

The Rolling Stones did so much more than The Beatles ever did.

Of course, they do not have to compare to The Beatles.

They never broke up and keep plugging away at it. Amazing, really.

The Rolling Stones are still the biggest rock band in the world.
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Beatles were pioneers -

Before 1966 any music video was usually a band performing in concert live, or lip synching on a TV music show. Beatles were no longer touring and their schedule didnt allow them to go on lots of shows, so they did Concept Music Videos such as Paperback Writer and Rain.

Concept Album - Sgt. Peppers (nuff said)
Before that groups released singles that were later put onto LPs. Beatles put out Sgt.Pep w/out any previous singles released.
It was also the first album to print the songs lyrics on the back jacket.

Mick appeared on The Beatles "All you Need is Love" live TV satellite broadcast (the first simulcast of a band in the world). The Beatles didnt appear for the Stones.

The Stones covered the Beatles "I wanna be your man" as their breakthru single.

Mick intro'd the Beatles into the R&R HOF.

R&R Movies - Hard Days NIght and HELP.

First group to do Stadium concert, before that it was indoor shows at venues of under 10,000. Shea Stadium was the 1st and it sold 55,000 within
hours, no one could believe it.

Formed their own record label - Apple. Groups and artists were legally tied to the recording contracts of their distributors.

Held the #1-5 spots on Billboard chart, and 14 songs in top 100 at the same time !

Beatles either pioneered or popularized Artificial Double Tracking (ADT), back masking, tuned feedback, spliced audio loops, distortion, equalization, stereo effects, multi-tracking (overdubbing), compression, phase shifting, and innovative “microphoning.”

Radio forced groups/artists to have songs that were 3 minutes of shorter. Beatles bucked the trend with the release of Hey Jude at 7 1/2 minutes, and also helped FM radio to rise to prominance by underground DJs paying that over the AM stations.

Made the Sitar, Tabla, Tamboura, Harpsichord and Clavichord, Mellotron and Moog synthesizer cool for music.
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Peter Best Esq wrote:
Beatles were pioneers -
Before 1966 any music video was usually a band performing in concert live, or lip synching on a TV music show. Beatles were no longer touring and their schedule didnt allow them to go on lots of shows, so they did Concept Music Videos such as Paperback Writer and Rain.
Concept Album - Sgt. Peppers (nuff said)
Before that groups released singles that were later put onto LPs. Beatles put out Sgt.Pep w/out any previous singles released.
It was also the first album to print the songs lyrics on the back jacket.
Mick appeared on The Beatles "All you Need is Love" live TV satellite broadcast (the first simulcast of a band in the world). The Beatles didnt appear for the Stones.
The Stones covered the Beatles "I wanna be your man" as their breakthru single.
Mick intro'd the Beatles into the R&R HOF.
R&R Movies - Hard Days NIght and HELP.
First group to do Stadium concert, before that it was indoor shows at venues of under 10,000. Shea Stadium was the 1st and it sold 55,000 within
hours, no one could believe it.
Formed their own record label - Apple. Groups and artists were legally tied to the recording contracts of their distributors.
Held the #1-5 spots on Billboard chart, and 14 songs in top 100 at the same time !
Beatles either pioneered or popularized Artificial Double Tracking (ADT), back masking, tuned feedback, spliced audio loops, distortion, equalization, stereo effects, multi-tracking (overdubbing), compression, phase shifting, and innovative “microphoning.”
Radio forced groups/artists to have songs that were 3 minutes of shorter. Beatles bucked the trend with the release of Hey Jude at 7 1/2 minutes, and also helped FM radio to rise to prominance by underground DJs paying that over the AM stations.
Made the Sitar, Tabla, Tamboura, Harpsichord and Clavichord, Mellotron and Moog synthesizer cool for music.
Well put Peter good job.
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Peter Best Esq wrote:
Beatles were pioneers -
Before 1966 any music video was usually a band performing in concert live, or lip synching on a TV music show. Beatles were no longer touring and their schedule didnt allow them to go on lots of shows, so they did Concept Music Videos such as Paperback Writer and Rain.
Concept Album - Sgt. Peppers (nuff said)
Before that groups released singles that were later put onto LPs. Beatles put out Sgt.Pep w/out any previous singles released.
It was also the first album to print the songs lyrics on the back jacket.
Mick appeared on The Beatles "All you Need is Love" live TV satellite broadcast (the first simulcast of a band in the world). The Beatles didnt appear for the Stones.
The Stones covered the Beatles "I wanna be your man" as their breakthru single.
Mick intro'd the Beatles into the R&R HOF.
R&R Movies - Hard Days NIght and HELP.
First group to do Stadium concert, before that it was indoor shows at venues of under 10,000. Shea Stadium was the 1st and it sold 55,000 within
hours, no one could believe it.
Formed their own record label - Apple. Groups and artists were legally tied to the recording contracts of their distributors.
Held the #1-5 spots on Billboard chart, and 14 songs in top 100 at the same time !
Beatles either pioneered or popularized Artificial Double Tracking (ADT), back masking, tuned feedback, spliced audio loops, distortion, equalization, stereo effects, multi-tracking (overdubbing), compression, phase shifting, and innovative “microphoning.”
Radio forced groups/artists to have songs that were 3 minutes of shorter. Beatles bucked the trend with the release of Hey Jude at 7 1/2 minutes, and also helped FM radio to rise to prominance by underground DJs paying that over the AM stations.
Made the Sitar, Tabla, Tamboura, Harpsichord and Clavichord, Mellotron and Moog synthesizer cool for music.
Thank you for helping us make our case for the Beatles. Very well said, & I couldn't have said it any better myself.

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Peter Best Esq wrote:
Beatles were pioneers -
Before 1966 any music video was usually a band performing in concert live, or lip synching on a TV music show. Beatles were no longer touring and their schedule didnt allow them to go on lots of shows, so they did Concept Music Videos such as Paperback Writer and Rain.
Concept Album - Sgt. Peppers (nuff said)
Before that groups released singles that were later put onto LPs. Beatles put out Sgt.Pep w/out any previous singles released.
It was also the first album to print the songs lyrics on the back jacket.
Mick appeared on The Beatles "All you Need is Love" live TV satellite broadcast (the first simulcast of a band in the world). The Beatles didnt appear for the Stones.
The Stones covered the Beatles "I wanna be your man" as their breakthru single.
Mick intro'd the Beatles into the R&R HOF.
R&R Movies - Hard Days NIght and HELP.
First group to do Stadium concert, before that it was indoor shows at venues of under 10,000. Shea Stadium was the 1st and it sold 55,000 within
hours, no one could believe it.
Formed their own record label - Apple. Groups and artists were legally tied to the recording contracts of their distributors.
Held the #1-5 spots on Billboard chart, and 14 songs in top 100 at the same time !
Beatles either pioneered or popularized Artificial Double Tracking (ADT), back masking, tuned feedback, spliced audio loops, distortion, equalization, stereo effects, multi-tracking (overdubbing), compression, phase shifting, and innovative “microphoning.”
Radio forced groups/artists to have songs that were 3 minutes of shorter. Beatles bucked the trend with the release of Hey Jude at 7 1/2 minutes, and also helped FM radio to rise to prominance by underground DJs paying that over the AM stations.
Made the Sitar, Tabla, Tamboura, Harpsichord and Clavichord, Mellotron and Moog synthesizer cool for music.
Without Elvis, The Beatles wouldn't have existed.

Beach Boys "Smile" was actually the first concept album.

And even so, "Pet Sounds" was better than the overrated "Pepper"

It is a lot longer also.

One song played on satellite?

Elvis did a whole concert on satellite in 1973.

"Rain" was a short film record promo.

It was not done live as they shot it but is the studio recording.

One song at at time, while Elvis did 7 to 14 clips per movie?

The Beatles did Shea stadium but no one could hear it.

30 minutes of screaming and not much else.

Beatles formed Apple and their biggest band signed was Badfinger.

They were ripped off by shady Apple employees and hippie hang outs.

George Martin pioneered all that studio trickery using The Beatles.

Yeah, "Hey Jude" was a long single. So?

They made use of weird instruments?

Tangerine Dream and Pink Floyd perfected the concept shortly after.

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Both 'Hard Days Night' and 'Help'

No different than a standard Elvis movie, really.

They were just badly acted potboilers.

But somehow, Beatle fans think they were great.

BTW,'Blue Hawaii' could be called a concept album.

After all, Elvis suddenly did Hawaiian music in 1961.

Then he followed it with 'Fun In Acapulco'(1963)

Elvis suddenly records a whole song in Spanish.

Again, a concept with a Latino theme.

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The Stones strictly stayed bluesy.

With a lot of Chuck Berry riffs mixed in.

And they got better by 'Beggers' in 1968.

It was a great album like 'The White Album'

However, they continued kicking ass until 'Exile'

That was about it.

The Rolling Stones went on and on and on...

They never broke up.

The Beatles ceased to exist after 1970.
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The Stones strictly stayed bluesy.
With a lot of Chuck Berry riffs mixed in.
And they got better by 'Beggers' in 1968.
It was a great album like 'The White Album'
However, they continued kicking ass until 'Exile'
That was about it.
The Rolling Stones went on and on and on...
They never broke up.
The Beatles ceased to exist after 1970.
I wouldn't say the Beatles ceased to exist. Their music was played a lot and the four of them all had some success as solo artist. Maybe as a group they didn't exist but their legacy certainly did and they still were better than the 70 groups that followed. You rate Elvis very high well he was just a solo artist living off his past fame during the 70's. He had a huge fan base but he never really came out with anything new unless it was material he borrowed to update his concerts so he wouldn't be like Chuck Berry.
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I stand corrected, John Lennon appeared on the Stone's Rock & Roll Circus movie, while he was still with the Beatles performing in a band called The Dirty Mac - along with Clapton, K.Richards and Mitch Mitchell.

I will address Octo-mom's inaccuracies and misguided delusions later on.

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The music of Elvis Presley, The Beatles,The Rolling Stones,The Beach Boys and Creedence Clearwater Revial will live on for a long time.
As a Beatle's fan I give credit to Elvis for taking all the slams from the media, he softened them up for music to come.

Chuck Berry and Little Richard were attacked by the media too, it's a good thing Rock n' Rollers are very persistant.

Jim Morrison has admitted his admiration for Elvis, while Robbie Krieger loved the Beatles.

Who's better ?, guess that's up to the listener.

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<quoted text> I wouldn't say the Beatles ceased to exist. Their music was played a lot and the four of them all had some success as solo artist. Maybe as a group they didn't exist but their legacy certainly did and they still were better than the 70 groups that followed. You rate Elvis very high well he was just a solo artist living off his past fame during the 70's. He had a huge fan base but he never really came out with anything new unless it was material he borrowed to update his concerts so he wouldn't be like Chuck Berry.
Without Elvis, three of them would've never picked up their guitars.

Certainly, Elvis movies were shown in in England.

Of course, The Beatles saw all four 50's Elvis films.

Before him, it was "Rock Island Line" and "My Bonnie"

Soon after Elvis, other rock n roll acts followed.

John Lennon even admitted it. "Before Elvis, there was nothing"

Elvis lit the fuse and started a phenomenon.

As for Elvis's live stuff in the seventies being covers. So what?

Elvis did original material written for him and covers.

The Beatles did their covers like "Twist And Shout"

Elvis was an excellent live performing artist. The best.

The Beatles still sucked live.
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"Without Elvis, three of them would've never picked up their guitars." ????? Are you drunk already? Yes Elvis was big to them, but he was far from their only reason to play music.

Paul's very first instrument was Piano. And his 1st record was Gene Vincent, he also idolized Buddy Holly, Little Richard and Chuck Berry.

John played banjo at first due to his mother also playing it. He also was Holly and Berry, as well as Eddie Cochran and Fats Domino.

George was surely a huge Carl Perkins and Buck Owens and Chet Atkins imitator.

btw - Elvis was a great performer, but did he write his own songs or arrangements? NO

Beatles did both. Too bad we dont have any Hamburg Days video and only limited Cavern pre-Epstein.

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Peter Best Esq wrote:
I stand corrected, John Lennon appeared on the Stone's Rock & Roll Circus movie, while he was still with the Beatles performing in a band called The Dirty Mac - along with Clapton, K.Richards and Mitch Mitchell.
I will address Octo-mom's inaccuracies and misguided delusions later on.
Yeah?

The Rock N Roll Circus was never broadcasted on television.

Elvis's 1968 NBC Special was.

Its use of video and live performances were way ahead of time.

I'm certainly not delusional. I just see it differently.

Bob Dylan plugged in at Newport in 1965.

He did "Like A Rolling Stone" and "Maggie's Farm"

Dylan changed the way future rock concerts were to be heard.

The Beatles still sung out of tune on most on their concerts.

The Stones didn't though and they had the same tiny amps as well.

Of course, Beatle nuts believe in all their overblown hype.

They were a good band but there were many others who were great.

You just want to give The Beatles all the credit for everything.

That is just misguided bias of 60's culture brainwashing.

I don't need to be told who was better than this or that.

I have my own opinions.

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Stuart Sutcliffe RIP wrote:
"Without Elvis, three of them would've never picked up their guitars." ????? Are you drunk already? Yes Elvis was big to them, but he was far from their only reason to play music.
Paul's very first instrument was Piano. And his 1st record was Gene Vincent, he also idolized Buddy Holly, Little Richard and Chuck Berry.
John played banjo at first due to his mother also playing it. He also was Holly and Berry, as well as Eddie Cochran and Fats Domino.
George was surely a huge Carl Perkins and Buck Owens and Chet Atkins imitator.
btw - Elvis was a great performer, but did he write his own songs or arrangements? NO
Beatles did both. Too bad we dont have any Hamburg Days video and only limited Cavern pre-Epstein.
Fats Domino, Little Richard and Bill Haley were before Elvis.

Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran and Buddy Holly, all after him.

They jumped onto the rock n roll bandwagon because of Elvis.

Chuck Berry's first record was "Maybellene" in 1955.

In 1954-1955, American rock n roll records were hard to come by.

Elvis made 4 rock n roll movies between 1956-1958.

I know John, Paul, George were watching them and taking it in.

"The Girl Can't Help It" was an early rock n roll film as well.

But it had a string of acts in it.

Elvis carried his own movies. He was the star of them, right?

Elvis arranged everything he every recorded.

I have the studio sessions and no one is telling him what to do.

He had his own production company, which songwriters sent demos.

It was just how it was set up and Elvis fans do not care.

Elvis wasn't expected to write his own songs.

I have never been impressed by The Beatles live performances.

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Stuart Sutcliffe RIP wrote:
"Without Elvis, three of them would've never picked up their guitars." ????? Are you drunk already? Yes Elvis was big to them, but he was far from their only reason to play music.
Paul's very first instrument was Piano. And his 1st record was Gene Vincent, he also idolized Buddy Holly, Little Richard and Chuck Berry.
John played banjo at first due to his mother also playing it. He also was Holly and Berry, as well as Eddie Cochran and Fats Domino.
George was surely a huge Carl Perkins and Buck Owens and Chet Atkins imitator.
btw - Elvis was a great performer, but did he write his own songs or arrangements? NO
Beatles did both. Too bad we dont have any Hamburg Days video and only limited Cavern pre-Epstein.
Would The Beatles have been turned on to rock without Elvis?

They would have stayed with "My Bonnie" or "Ain't She Sweet"

English folk music.

Even so, I still don't get The Beatles appeal in 1962-1964.

They did improve greatly by "Help"

But it was because of Bob Dylan and his songwriting.

Elvis still kicked their asses but then I have a bias, don't I?
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Hey, why have you forgotten that the Beatles were inspired by the Everly Brothers, Black singers or black male and female groups as well? "My Bonnie" was a traditional Scottish song, skiffle yes;was Lennon's influence to play music. To Lennon's song writing style and singing, I think Buddy Holly had more influence than Elvis. Likewise, to say that Elvis made them, it's unfair to the talents of Lennon, McCartney and Harrison. You can say that it had a big influence. But, Elvis had been inspired by some people, right? Did they make him? Of course not. He developed his sound as the years went by.
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Stick to what you DONT know better - Thinking the Stones were better or more influential than the Beatles.

Of course the Beatles would've been turned onto rock w/out Elvis, did you not pay attention to their influences? Most of whom predated Elvis or were his peers in other genres of rock.
Sun records still had Perkins and JL Lewis.
Domino and Lil Richard were already recording.
Bill Haley & Comets did "Rock Around the Clock" before Elvis was even regionally known in the South.
You would have Rock-a-billy stars and other forms of Country or sped up Blues that would've gotten Rock started. Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley.

Beatles were also big fans of Doo Wop and Motown - areas Elvis didnt rule.
And being that they were in Liverpool which at the time was the biggest port on the Atlantic in Europe, they were able to occasionally get records from America by sailors who came home.
They also got their start playing Skiffle and were playing many songs by fellow Brit - Lonnie Donagan.

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