Your View: Letters to the editor (Dec...

Your View: Letters to the editor (Dec. 21)

There are 19 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Dec 21, 2010, titled Your View: Letters to the editor (Dec. 21). In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

Supposedly, we elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress. Many of these elected officials have a Juris Doctorate in law, yet don't understand the Constitution.

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OrvilleWyatt

Santa Fe, NM

#1 Dec 21, 2010
You know what Andy? If you don't want wolves shot buy the land, release the wolves, prosecute tresspassers. I'd be all for your wolves.

Ranchers, don't want wolves - stop doing business with the state. As the wolves are the state's property, I say the state is liable for every bit of damage they do to your crop.

State, you have no business owning more land than the citizens. Sell it. I'll support private wilderness AND private ranchers; there's room for both here and New Mexicans will be better stewards of the land than New Mexico.

Mr. Robison - I assure you'd have no problem on private land, whether the owner is protecting wolves, renting campsites, or raising beef.

Welcome to the unintended, never ending, always damaging easily predictable, BS consequences of government control of resources - of which land is about the single most important.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Dec 21, 2010
"Our divine thanks" A propane explosion occurred in our house on Tuesday morning November 2. Our Lord had other plans for us and we were spared injury.

So why did your lord blow the damn place up?

"Our house was uninsured but the Lord is our insurance and He has provided abundantly for us to start rebuilding." How high is your lord's deductible? He cover your health insurance too?

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Dec 21, 2010
"Supposedly, we elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress." Fine grade school myth. It works enough of the time to keep the myth alive.

"Many of these elected officials have a Juris Doctorate in law, yet don't understand the Constitution" And 99+% of the teabaggers don't. They think they do because the right-wing hate-merchants and propagandists have taught them so well.
OrvilleWyatt

Santa Fe, NM

#4 Dec 21, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
"Our divine thanks" A propane explosion occurred in our house on Tuesday morning November 2. Our Lord had other plans for us and we were spared injury.
So why did your lord blow the damn place up?
"Our house was uninsured but the Lord is our insurance and He has provided abundantly for us to start rebuilding." How high is your lord's deductible? He cover your health insurance too?
Ahhh, selling / promoting insurance; the new democrat pasttime. Gotta support those billionaire tycoons who keep their hand up the rear end of your puppet leaders.

Roy, have you seen 'Waiting for Armageddon'?

Pretty good anti-fundamentalist Christian material.

Use it inappropriately and I won't hesitate to point out similarities to Al Gore's stupid little doomsday cult.
OrvilleWyatt

Santa Fe, NM

#5 Dec 21, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
"Supposedly, we elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress." Fine grade school myth. It works enough of the time to keep the myth alive.
"Many of these elected officials have a Juris Doctorate in law, yet don't understand the Constitution" And 99+% of the teabaggers don't. They think they do because the right-wing hate-merchants and propagandists have taught them so well.
Ummm, don't you think this is the pot calling the tea-kettle black?

Seriously, man, you can't take the kind of creative liberty you guys do with the general welfare clause, non-establishment clause, interstate commerece clause, and flimsy justification for the 16th amendment's violation of the 1st, 5th, and 13th and then accuse your opponents of not understanding the constitution ...

... just come out and say it - you don't think the constitution is applicable and would rather have something akin to the garbage that is bankrupting the Eurozone ...

... the tea-potters don't either, as demsonstrated by their refusal to understand things like the clear intent for no foreign interventionism, price controls, or freedom from the state's intellegence apparatus.
Del

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Dec 21, 2010
OrvilleWyatt wrote:
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Ummm, don't you think this is the pot calling the tea-kettle black?
Seriously, man, you can't take the kind of creative liberty you guys do with the general welfare clause, non-establishment clause, interstate commerece clause, and flimsy justification for the 16th amendment's violation of the 1st, 5th, and 13th and then accuse your opponents of not understanding the constitution ...
... just come out and say it - you don't think the constitution is applicable and would rather have something akin to the garbage that is bankrupting the Eurozone ...
... the tea-potters don't either, as demsonstrated by their refusal to understand things like the clear intent for no foreign interventionism, price controls, or freedom from the state's intellegence apparatus.
I can see the 13th, maybe the 5th, but struggle with the 1st. It would be interesting to hear your view/reasoning as to the affect of the 16th on these amendments. Sorry to make work for you :>} but I would find your ideas of interest.
OrvilleWyatt

Santa Fe, NM

#7 Dec 21, 2010
Del wrote:
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I can see the 13th, maybe the 5th, but struggle with the 1st. It would be interesting to hear your view/reasoning as to the affect of the 16th on these amendments. Sorry to make work for you :>} but I would find your ideas of interest.
Happy to oblige.

Freedom of speech is violated as you are required to write down personal information - long standing precedent in first amendment cases says you can withhold information from the government if such action does not constitute force or fraud.

but appearently, trading your neighbor some tomatoes from your garden for some apples from their trees is an initiation of force against the state, as withholding that information makes you a tax criminal.

Although certain court cases are used to ascertain the opposite it takes a pretty loose interpretation to say that the government can force you to support anything against your religion that the juggernaut sees fit. For example - it is a clear violation of freedom of religion for the IRS to make a fundamentalist whacko pay for state funded abortions or a peacenick pay to execute someone. Nevermind funding the prosecution of illegal, unconstitutional wars.

The fifth is simple. There's a 1040 line that makes you a criminal if you don't report illegally obtained currency. Clear violation of the protection of self incrimination

The 13th is patently obvious. The 16th makes it void, making everyone state property.
Been here Seen that

Las Cruces, NM

#8 Dec 21, 2010
Actually is it Constitutionally improper to make any law that is not 100% applicable to all persons. This means no one gets special treatment because then the legislation is not law. To be law it must be universal. Try reading a little Blackstone in order to expand your knowledge.

In addition, the federal government has no authority to own lands within state boundaries except under the conditions stated in Article I, Section 8. Because the feds cannot constitutionally own any land for lands sake, the feds cannot constitutionally make wilderness areas, parks, forests, etc. Every one of these actions by the feds is unconstitutional. SO if you want a constitutional government then demand the feds get out of our States and return the land to the People because it is We the People who are the rightful owners.

Oh, and we do not elect the best and brightest. We elect those who are willing and able to sacrifice their honor for bucks. The best and brightest stay away from public office.

If we truly concerned ourselves with separation of powers we would never send a member of the bar, that is an attorney, to a legislative or executive office. So long as that attorney is a member of the bar, that attorney is also part of the judicial branch. Electing a practicing attorney to a legislative or executive position violates the separation of powers and should be prohibited.
Del

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Dec 21, 2010
OrvilleWyatt wrote:
<quoted text>
Happy to oblige.
Freedom of speech is violated as you are required to write down personal information - long standing precedent in first amendment cases says you can withhold information from the government if such action does not constitute force or fraud.
but appearently, trading your neighbor some tomatoes from your garden for some apples from their trees is an initiation of force against the state, as withholding that information makes you a tax criminal.
Although certain court cases are used to ascertain the opposite it takes a pretty loose interpretation to say that the government can force you to support anything against your religion that the juggernaut sees fit. For example - it is a clear violation of freedom of religion for the IRS to make a fundamentalist whacko pay for state funded abortions or a peacenick pay to execute someone. Nevermind funding the prosecution of illegal, unconstitutional wars.
The fifth is simple. There's a 1040 line that makes you a criminal if you don't report illegally obtained currency. Clear violation of the protection of self incrimination
The 13th is patently obvious. The 16th makes it void, making everyone state property.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Del

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Dec 21, 2010
Thanks topix for making me stutter :>}

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Dec 21, 2010
OrvilleWyatt wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhh, selling / promoting insurance; the new democrat pasttime. Gotta support those billionaire tycoons who keep their hand up the rear end of your puppet leaders.
Roy, have you seen 'Waiting for Armageddon'?
Pretty good anti-fundamentalist Christian material.
Use it inappropriately and I won't hesitate to point out similarities to Al Gore's stupid little doomsday cult.
Not selling / promoting insurance. It is totally imprudent to be without it. Next step, getting the health-insurance leaches out of the healthcare equation.

"have you seen 'Waiting for Armageddon'?" No but I had the end of the world crap shoved down my throat until I was old enough to walk out of the Fundi's cult. My Mother's still waiting for the damn thing.
Gnu

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Dec 21, 2010
ANDY GUNDERSEN, go chew on your tofu!! How can a rancher be charged with killing a wolf on public land when there is no evidence he did it?
Paul Weinbaum

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Dec 21, 2010
A serious endangerment to the rights of the people and their children are those appointment-for-life federal judges who forsake their sworn oath of allegiance to safeguard our Constitution for personal reasons.

We have two prime examples here in Las Cruces. One recommended by the U.S. Senate; the other, anointed by Richardson through the Federal District of NM selection committee in Albuquerque.

These two, Judge Robert Brack and Judge Lourdes Martinez, using their 'judge's discretion,' joined the defense in a total frontal assault against the plaintiffs' civil liberties. Which, in effect, attacked the civil liberties of all citizens here and in the whole 50 states.

To paraphrase a true example: A veteran with no legs appears before a non-veteran judge who is known to love 'Dancing with the Stars.' The judge takes his family to all the dance shows and dancing salons. The veteran asks the judge to recuse himself because of his obsession inside and outside the courtroom with dancing and he believes he cannot get a fair trial. The judge poo-poos the veteran by telling him it's not his fault the man can't dance. Of course the veteran did not prevail in that courtroom.

It is all recorded in the public records.
Ruben Cabnea

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Dec 21, 2010
Nice to see A.J. Simonin in his normal drunken haze or fantasy world.

He's been carping this same rail for the past decade. A bunch of us are going to urge him to use his fat assets and put his money where his mouth is and seek federal office himself.

Maybe the natural order of things will remove him from the planet's oxygen supply before the 2012 election?

It's a gift worth asking for. Maybe if enough of us do, it will come to pass.

"Save our country
Supposedly, we elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress. Many of these elected officials have a Juris Doctorate in law, yet don't understand the Constitution. It's time to fire them all and make sure they are ineligible for unemployment benefits or federal retirement. Maybe we should make them pay back their "ill gotten wages" since they can't pass the competency test!

Help save our country, fire a congressperson in November 2012!

A.J. SIMONIN

Las Cruces"

Since: Sep 08

United States

#16 Dec 21, 2010
"Supposedly, we elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress."

As long as theology, propaganda, and ideology trumps science and FACTs we will never elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress.

But those who are driven by theology, propaganda, and ideology will continue to believe the myth.

When Clusterfox is the number 1 cable ‘news outlet’ and their viewers are the most misinformed segment of ‘news consumers’ and when 40% of the American public believes God created humans 10,000 years ago, it is not surprising they would elect anti-science Congress Critters. Of the incoming freshmen, 36 of 85 in the House and 11 of 13 in the Senate have publicly questioned the science and there are no freshman Republicans, in the House or Senate, who publicly accept the scientific consensus that greenhouse pollution is an immediate threat.

No wonder the few remaining sane Republicans like Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (NY) ask “Why do so many Republican senators and representatives think they are right and the world’s top scientific academies and scientists are wrong?”

Since: Sep 08

United States

#17 Dec 21, 2010
Been here Seen that wrote:
Actually is it Constitutionally improper to make any law that is not 100% applicable to all persons....SO if you want a constitutional government then demand the feds get out of our States and return the land to the People because it is We the People who are the rightful owners....
Electing a practicing attorney to a legislative or executive position violates the separation of powers and should be prohibited.
Another brilliant constitutionalist who got his education from ClusterFox and the right-wing propaganda machine.

I image all the Native Americcans wwould bbe damn glad to get their land back....but by god we stole fair and sqaure and they ain't gettin' it back!

And of course those foudning father who wrote the constitution failed to bar lawyers from serving in the legislature because all of them who were lawyers wanted to serve.

You are proof of thee FACT the STUDY CONFIRMS THAT FOX NEWS MAKES YOU STUPID http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/... (Discussion & link begins on page 2)

OLBERMANN’S SUBSTITUTE DISCUSSES THE STUDY ON COUNTDOWN: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/40726...
OrvilleWyatt

Santa Fe, NM

#19 Dec 23, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
"Supposedly, we elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress."
As long as theology, propaganda, and ideology trumps science and FACTs we will never elect the brightest and best to serve in Congress.
But those who are driven by theology, propaganda, and ideology will continue to believe the myth.
When Clusterfox is the number 1 cable ‘news outlet’ and their viewers are the most misinformed segment of ‘news consumers’ and when 40% of the American public believes God created humans 10,000 years ago, it is not surprising they would elect anti-science Congress Critters. Of the incoming freshmen, 36 of 85 in the House and 11 of 13 in the Senate have publicly questioned the science and there are no freshman Republicans, in the House or Senate, who publicly accept the scientific consensus that greenhouse pollution is an immediate threat.
No wonder the few remaining sane Republicans like Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (NY) ask “Why do so many Republican senators and representatives think they are right and the world’s top scientific academies and scientists are wrong?”
Really, Roy?

You mean like Marx's myth and theology that assumes that the collective can think and is capable of making better decsions than the sum of individuals?

You can't pretend to support and use scientific method when your stupid team ignores economic science and puts propogandized sob stories and anecdotal evidence in its place.

An upbringing in the doublethink of christian fundamentalism is exactly the training that little minds full of mush need to beleive the lies of Maynard Keynes that you guys put forth. Leviticus says pi is exactly 3, Keynes says aggregate demand is a useful economic measuring tool ... I fail to see the difference.

You're all the same; statist and christian and muslim and neo-environmantalist all beleive the lies of their prophets. Don't be mad that their recruiting efforts have a better track record than yours - maybe you should invent a hell where there is no government to tell you how to wipe your arse, what to eat, and who to bomb
OrvilleWyatt

Santa Fe, NM

#20 Dec 23, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
And of course those foudning father who wrote the constitution failed to bar lawyers from serving in the legislature because all of them who were lawyers wanted to serve.
Something tells me Shrillary has more in common with Brian Loncar than Mr. Jeffereson did.

When your spoiled lawyer Rs and Ds risk their lives and fortunes to fight a tyrannical government, than I'll let that comparison slide.

Oh. Wait .... right
Question

Albuquerque, NM

#21 Dec 23, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
<quoted text>
Another brilliant constitutionalist who got his education from ClusterFox and the right-wing propaganda machine.
I image all the Native Americcans wwould bbe damn glad to get their land back....but by god we stole fair and sqaure and they ain't gettin' it back!
And of course those foudning father who wrote the constitution failed to bar lawyers from serving in the legislature because all of them who were lawyers wanted to serve.
You are proof of thee FACT the STUDY CONFIRMS THAT FOX NEWS MAKES YOU STUPID http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/... (Discussion & link begins on page 2)
OLBERMANN’S SUBSTITUTE DISCUSSES THE STUDY ON COUNTDOWN: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/40726...
Why do you not believe in the science of spelling? Could it be due to your constant spamming? You need to start with yourself and ask why you are so fing stupid when you supposedly don't watch Fox.

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