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#70928 Apr 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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But you haven't answered my question. What is it that science isn't doing that she wants them to do? Or what is it that science is rejecting outright that they shouldn't be? Let's be very specific here.
Thats your bias. I dont think she is asking science to do anything other than continue on. Its more an acknowledgement that the journey never ends. You are taking an defensive interpretation of the main idea of the piece. If anything, the piece reaffirms science.

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#70929 Apr 6, 2014
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Along this line, there's a somewhat humorous book called "The bad people stole my god" by Doug Philips. It's about the author's loss of religion. Needless to say, the Internet had a lot to do with it.
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/04/new_study_say...

If you read that article carefully, other than the headline, the article makes no claim that the internet is linked to the loss of religiosity. The claim is that the internet, through information AND through virtual connection, is linked to the loss of ORGANIZED religious affiliation.

I.E. it leaves open that spirituality may (or may not) be at the same levels, but in different, perhaps more individualistic forms. Which is totally consistent to my observation and generational experience, as well as (in the case of the Jewish religion) 100% consistent with a recent Pew study.

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#70930 Apr 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
RED HOT ISRAELI CHICK
Wow! Israeli super model, Bar Refaeli, is red-hot in a transparent black bra.
I just saw a pic of her.
I couldn't take my eyes off her "assets" and ended up with an erection.
On my, my self-control has broken down despite all the frequent yogic experiences.
(winks)
For most of us, it would not be noteworthy to post when an erection is attained.

But to you, I offer a hearty MAZEL TOV.

May you have the wisdom to use it wisely.

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#70931 Apr 6, 2014
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For most of us, it would not be noteworthy to post when an erection is attained.

But to you, I offer a hearty MAZEL TOV.

May you have the wisdom to use it wisely.
Thank you.

The erection was quite unexpected since my senses are very much under control though of course the sensual urges have not been fully transformed due to yogic discipline.

Anyway, take care.

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#70932 Apr 6, 2014
I am going out with friends. Later.

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#70933 Apr 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Thats your bias. I dont think she is asking science to do anything other than continue on. Its more an acknowledgement that the journey never ends. You are taking an defensive interpretation of the main idea of the piece. If anything, the piece reaffirms science.
All this round and round, and talk about mysticism and alternate consciousness, just to tell me that Science is a journey that never end? well, duh :-) Then you wonder why I approach topics of spirituality/mysticism/meta-ph ysics with skepticism. It adds nothing new to our knowledge as far as I can tell, but sure as heck does muddy the waters with an imprecise vocabulary.

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#70934 Apr 6, 2014
Deepakese: The Woo-Woo Master Deepak Chopra Speaks

Deepak Chopra is unhappy with my brand of skepticism--the type that identifies woo-woo nonsense and calls it for what it is: baloney - By
Michael Shermer

Last week Deepak and I debated life after death on Larry King Live, which did not include Larry King and was not live, but did feature guest host Jeff Probst, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Dinesh D'Souza, a reincarnation researcher, a young boy alleged to be a reincarnated World War II fighter pilot, and Deepak rolling his eyes and mumbling to his table-mates in the New York studio while I was alone in the Hollywood studio trying to get an edge in wordwise. You can read my account of the show at TrueSlant.

No one uses fuzzy language more adroitly than Deepak Chopra, who has an uncanny knack for stringing together words and phrases that, with his punctuated delivery style, actually sounds like something intelligible is being said.(All quotes are from the complete transcript of the show available here.) Deepak Chopra is obviously a smart guy, and maybe it's just me, but what do you make of Deepak's explanation for Near-Death Experiences?:

"There are traditions that say the in-body experience is a socially induced collective hallucination. We do not exist in the body. The body exists in us. We do not exist in the world. The world exists in us."

Maybe I'm dim witted, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what this means. Likewise this ditty on life and death:

"Birth and death are space-time events in the continuum of life. So the opposite of life is not death. The opposite of death is birth. And the opposite of birth is death. And life is the continuum of birth and death, which goes on and on."

Uh? Can someone please tell me what this means? Likewise this gem of obfuscation:

"And life is, as he said, it's a process. It's one process. It's perception, cognition, emotions, moods, imagination, insight, intuition, creativity, choice making. These are not the activities of your networks. You orchestrate these activities through your synaptic networks. But if I ask you to imagine the color red or look at the color red, there's no red in your brain. There's just electrical firings."

If these "are not the activities of your networks" what are they? Oh, they are "just electrical firings." Uh? Isn't that a contradiction? What am I missing here?

During the show segment on reincarnation, I asked Deepak if the little boy's body is now occupied by the soul of a World War II fighter pilot, where is the boy's soul? Chopra offered this jewel of Deepakese:

"Imagine that you're looking at an ocean and you see lots of waves today. And tomorrow you see a fewer number of waves. It's not so turbulent. What you call a person actually is a pattern of behavior of a universal consciousness. There is no such thing as Jeff, because what we call Jeff is a constantly transforming consciousness that appears as a certain personality, a certain mind, a certain ego, a certain body. But, you know, we had a different Jeff when you were a teenager. We had a different Jeff when you were a baby. Which one of you is the real Jeff?"

Guest host Jeff Probst looked as confused as I felt.

Deepak has challenged me to a debate. I accept. I'm looking forward to collecting many more quotable maxims from the master of Deepakese.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shermer...

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#70935 Apr 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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http://www.salon.com/2014/04/04/new_study_say...
If you read that article carefully, other than the headline, the article makes no claim that the internet is linked to the loss of religiosity. The claim is that the internet, through information AND through virtual connection, is linked to the loss of ORGANIZED religious affiliation.
I.E. it leaves open that spirituality may (or may not) be at the same levels, but in different, perhaps more individualistic forms. Which is totally consistent to my observation and generational experience, as well as (in the case of the Jewish religion) 100% consistent with a recent Pew study.
Perhaps true, but I see a loss of ORGANIZED religious affiliation a first step towards a loss of belief in general. Baby steps. And I would argue that there are those (myself included) that have taken that least leap away from faith with the aid of information more readily available on the Internet - Debates, Philosophical arguments, firmer understanding of logical fallacies, deeper understanding of scientific principles and explanations, etc...

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#70937 Apr 6, 2014
CORRECTION: ...taken that LAST leap away from faith

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#70938 Apr 6, 2014
After ripping to bits the CRASS MATERIALISTIC NONSENSE of RICHARD DAWKINS, I shall deal with the NONSENSICAL RANTS of DAN DENNET, MICHAEL SHERMER & DEEPAK CHOPRA and using sound logic backed with corroborative evidence wherever possible, I will prove their views illogical and outright superstitions.

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#70939 Apr 6, 2014
DEBUNKING MICHAEL SHERMER ON REBIRTH

MICHAEL SHERMER:: "a young boy alleged to be a reincarnated World War II fighter pilot. During the show segment on reincarnation, I asked Deepak if the little boy's body is now occupied by the soul of a World War II fighter pilot, where is the boy's soul?

JOEL: A huge logical error made by Michael Shermer.

If the boy claims he's a reincarnation of a WW 2 fighter pilot, Shermer's question - is the little boy's soul now occupied by the soul of the WW 2 fighter pilot?- is nonsense.

Why?

The dead fighter pilot and his reincarnation (the boy) are not 2 different entities but the same entity born in different time frames and in different places with the heredity being different in each case.

The psychic (soul) of the pilot lifted off at death some 60 to 70 years ago and vibrated in a consciousness-force dimension suited to the karmic causation it had generated during its earthly life as the pilot.

After exhausting much of its emotional and psychological karma in the discarnate state after death, the residual seeds of karma, forming distinct tendencies, sought reincarnation in a family whose characteristics were best suited to its own emotional/psychological propensities and so to further its evolution or to reap what still remained of his emotional/psychological instincts as imprints in his psychic, it (dead pilot's psychic) took birth as the little boy years later.

So, the same psychic (soul, organizing sentient principle) of the pilot has reincarnated as the young boy who appeared on the talk show recently.

Thus, the question posed by Shermer inquiring about the whereabouts of the boy's soul is sheer nonsense when it is clear that the pilot's disembodied psychic was reborn many years later as the boy.

Had the boy been alive during the lifetime of the pilot and then had he claimed (after the death of the pilot) that he is the reincarnation of the dead pilot his claim would be nonsense since the boy (had he lived during the lifetime of the pilot) had his own soul to begin with and so he would not be in a position to receive another soul from the dead pilot.

But, the fact is that the boy was born nearly 6 or 7 decades after the death of the pilot and so if his inner memories are correct then it's plausible that the pilot's discarnate psychic has been reincarnated as the boy who appeared on the show.

So, SHERMER has been exposed as a FOOL with poor reasoning skills.
JOEL

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#70940 Apr 6, 2014
DIMWIT DEEPAK CHOPRA ON RED COLOR

DEEPAK CHOPRA: "But if I ask you to imagine the color red or look at the color red, there's no red in your brain. There's just electrical firings."

JOEL: The color red has a specific wavelength (620740 nm ) that's part of the visible light region, VIBGYOR, of the EM spectrum.

The neurons in the visual center in the brain get activated when the sensory nerves in the eyes convey the waves of electrical signals of red light to the brain center where the processing takes place (as a collapsed wave function on encountering the detecting neural instrumentation of the specific brain center) by comparing the incoming pulse (corresponding to a specific wavelength) to existing cognates of the same color (assuming the person has been exposed to the wavelength of red color in the past).

The red color is processed in terms of its wavelength (or frequency of vibration).

If a cognate corresponding to the same wavelength is found imprinted in the neural memory as an electrical pulse, then the associated neurons fire in synchrony to indicate "recognition" of the electrical pattern (red color) and as a result the consciousness within the energy field of the brain takes note of the sensation and the qualia (or the sensing or the subjective perception) of the red color takes place with full attention and understanding and many past memories (with or without emotion) associated with red color may simultaneously arise in the consciousness of the person.

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#70941 Apr 6, 2014
BIRTH-DEATH AS OPPOSITES

DEEPAK CHOPRA: "So the opposite of life is not death. The opposite of death is birth. And the opposite of birth is death. And life is the continuum of birth and death, which goes on and on."

JOEL: Chopra means that "energy is alive (conscious)", and, so, in keeping with the principle of conservation, energy is always conserved and can never be created or destroyed in isolated system whether in the unmanifest or in the manifest state in keeping with the cycles of the cosmos.

So, from this mystico-philosophical viewpoint, life (living energy) keeps getting recycled from one birth to the next in the manifest phase of the cosmos, until, via yogic methods, it attains to the universal degrees of freedom and rises out of the cycles of birth and life.

Since, life is imperishable - thus to think of death as an annihilation of life is illogical.

Whereas, birth is entry of life into a body and death is exit of life from the body into a disembodied state and as such in this sense birth and death are opposite movements of life.

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#70942 Apr 6, 2014
I will be leaving for home in 15 or 20 minutes. I am seated in a nice standalone restaurant called Barbecue Nation. Later.
former res

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#70943 Apr 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
I will be leaving for home in 15 or 20 minutes. I am seated in a nice standalone restaurant called Barbecue Nation. Later.
This post is more appropriate as a Facebook update.

No one here has "friended" you as far as I know.

Consider my indifference to this information to be profound.

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#70944 Apr 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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This post is more appropriate as a Facebook update.
No one here has "friended" you as far as I know.
Consider my indifference to this information to be profound.
be a good place to post his gonadal status as well.

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#70945 Apr 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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All this round and round, and talk about mysticism and alternate consciousness, just to tell me that Science is a journey that never end? well, duh :-) Then you wonder why I approach topics of spirituality/mysticism/meta-ph ysics with skepticism. It adds nothing new to our knowledge as far as I can tell, but sure as heck does muddy the waters with an imprecise vocabulary.
does art or literature or dance add anything to our "knowledge"?

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#70946 Apr 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Perhaps true, but I see a loss of ORGANIZED religious affiliation a first step towards a loss of belief in general. Baby steps. And I would argue that there are those (myself included) that have taken that least leap away from faith with the aid of information more readily available on the Internet - Debates, Philosophical arguments, firmer understanding of logical fallacies, deeper understanding of scientific principles and explanations, etc...
Waiting to see the data on that which supports an actual trend

The Pew survey was roundly criticized for implying that same idea with no actual support. Thats why I mentioned it.

No doubt that there are people that fall into your camp. But that can be potentially anecdotal as any other observation to be used as a basis for a claim. I offered my anecdotes as well. Both outcomes are conceivable.

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#70947 Apr 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
Deepakese: The Woo-Woo Master Deepak Chopra Speaks
Deepak Chopra is unhappy with my brand of skepticism--the type that identifies woo-woo nonsense and calls it for what it is: baloney - By
Michael Shermer
Last week Deepak and I debated life after death on Larry King Live, which did not include Larry King and was not live, but did feature guest host Jeff Probst, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Dinesh D'Souza, a reincarnation researcher, a young boy alleged to be a reincarnated World War II fighter pilot, and Deepak rolling his eyes and mumbling to his table-mates in the New York studio while I was alone in the Hollywood studio trying to get an edge in wordwise. You can read my account of the show at TrueSlant.
No one uses fuzzy language more adroitly than Deepak Chopra, who has an uncanny knack for stringing together words and phrases that, with his punctuated delivery style, actually sounds like something intelligible is being said.(All quotes are from the complete transcript of the show available here.) Deepak Chopra is obviously a smart guy, and maybe it's just me, but what do you make of Deepak's explanation for Near-Death Experiences?:
"There are traditions that say the in-body experience is a socially induced collective hallucination. We do not exist in the body. The body exists in us. We do not exist in the world. The world exists in us."
Maybe I'm dim witted, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what this means. Likewise this ditty on life and death:
"Birth and death are space-time events in the continuum of life. So the opposite of life is not death. The opposite of death is birth. And the opposite of birth is death. And life is the continuum of birth and death, which goes on and on."
Uh? Can someone please tell me what this means? Likewise this gem of obfuscation:
"And life is, as he said, it's a process. It's one process. It's perception, cognition, emotions, moods, imagination, insight, intuition, creativity, choice making. These are not the activities of your networks. You orchestrate these activities through your synaptic networks. But if I ask you to imagine the color red or look at the color red, there's no red in your brain. There's just electrical firings."
If these "are not the activities of your networks" what are they? Oh, they are "just electrical firings." Uh? Isn't that a contradiction? What am I missing here?
During the show segment on reincarnation, I asked Deepak if the little boy's body is now occupied by the soul of a World War II fighter pilot, where is the boy's soul? Chopra offered this jewel of Deepakese:
"Imagine that you're looking at an ocean and you see lots of waves today. And tomorrow you see a fewer number of waves. It's not so turbulent. What you call a person actually is a pattern of behavior of a universal consciousness. There is no such thing as Jeff, because what we call Jeff is a constantly transforming consciousness that appears as a certain personality, a certain mind, a certain ego, a certain body. But, you know, we had a different Jeff when you were a teenager. We had a different Jeff when you were a baby. Which one of you is the real Jeff?"
Guest host Jeff Probst looked as confused as I felt.
Deepak has challenged me to a debate. I accept. I'm looking forward to collecting many more quotable maxims from the master of Deepakese.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shermer...
Have never been a real fan of Deepak, though I understand what eh was trying to do initially - which was to bring a generic Eastern form of philosophy to the masses. He obviously suffers from over simplification. But I get where the roots of several of his ideas are from.

I think your issue is that you are a scientific realist. Nothing wrong with that, but not the companion I would want to visit the Louvre with. OTOH you would be interesting to discuss Cosmos with. Different strokes.

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#70948 Apr 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Have never been a real fan of Deepak, though I understand what eh was trying to do initially - which was to bring a generic Eastern form of philosophy to the masses. He obviously suffers from over simplification. But I get where the roots of several of his ideas are from.
I think your issue is that you are a scientific realist. Nothing wrong with that, but not the companion I would want to visit the Louvre with. OTOH you would be interesting to discuss Cosmos with. Different strokes.
Hmmmm, are you implying that scientific realists can't appreciate and discuss art?

And speaking of Cosmos, have you watched the latest incarnation with Neil deGrasse Tyson. Not bad, but definitely not Carl Sagan.

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