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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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#70112 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Are you bringing a good-looking, well-dressed young man home with you?

We wouldn't want you to get lonely and/or anxious.
wah!

On a serious note, yes, I at times get propositioned in the luxury night clubs that I visit by sexy females and lustful bisexuals who tell me openly they want to sleep with me.

I don't like it and rebuff them or laugh it off or pretend that I have not understood.

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#70113 Mar 25, 2014
SOLUTION FOR THE ME

I don't see peace prevailing in the ME at any point in time in the near or in the distant future given the incisive fault-lines that're only deepening over time and besides there's not the least sign of an elevated universal consciousness developing in that region where selfishness, imperialism, greed, racism and religious nonsense are at a maximum.

A decisive war in the near future should settle the fate of the ME once and for all.

The war is most likely to witness the complete destruction of Israel, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other major players in the troubled region.

Great news.

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#70114 Mar 25, 2014
LET THE MIDDLE EAST BE DESTROYED

The faster the complete destruction of Israel, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other ME nations takes place, the better.

Anyway, most of the inhabitants of the aforementioned ME nations are savages, genetically abnormal inbred types and fanatical subhumans and so the faster Israel, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other ME countries are destroyed the better it will augur for global peace.

I know the ME war may well turn into a global conflict but at least peace will thereafter prevail and if the world is accidentally turned into nuclear waste due to a world war it will be sad but at least the world will not be held hostage to these subhuman types living in Israel, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other places in that region.

Hopefully, only Israel, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other ME nations should be completely destroyed in an intense regional war.

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#70115 Mar 25, 2014
Off to shower and then I will begin reading a well-researched book on the architecture of forts, palaces and cities of ancient civilizations in Asia beginning with China, Indus Valley, Mesopotamia and Sumeria. Bye.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70116 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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He's only a hypocrite if the situations are comparable. I've dealt with that.
What does his Nobel Peace Prize have to do with this?!
:))
I guess where we have to agree to disagree is that i am positing that the situations are comparable (the argument about the impact of historical population transfers on current demography - both places shared this) If you want, we can wait 10 more years when Jews DO constitute more than 60% of the population and then re-ask the question. But I thought one would could appreciate this extrapolation, as it is probably inevitable.

Lets try it this way.

Back when Tatars where still in the process of leaving Crimea (forcibly or otherwise), and Russians were still forcibly colonizing, and when the Russian population was less than 60%, and the minority Russians were pining for Russian statehood, would you (or Carter) still agree that Crimea should be Russian? Probably not.(or maybe so?) Then why give them the free pass NOW, as a reward for their imperialism? And in the same token, chastise Israel for doing the same? Thats the comparison.

I dont recollect invoking his Peace Prize credentials, just his public record as a public statesman.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70117 Mar 25, 2014
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Silly Jamaican.
Do you not see the difference between the government of a country and the people of a county?
For example, I smelled people smoking everywhere in Jamaica but I would not expect to smell it while your parliament or high court (or whatever you have there) were in session.
Here in the US, we are actually a relatively religious country as compared with other western democracies, but we have separation of church and state spelled out pretty well and we try to maintain it. This is balanced with freedom of religion practice. For example we have chaplain in the military and in the US Congress. It's a balancing act. Not so much black and white as you evidently see things.
I myself am color blind. All men are created equal - black, white, straight, gay. You dig, mon?
excellent post

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#70118 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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The meaning is clear.
Well, put in another way, Moses is unfit to sit at the feet of Jesus and Jesus is unfit to sit at the feet of the Buddha.
My meaning was crystal clear, yours was like mud

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#70119 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Clearly someone has to give up something.
This is why the divorce rate is so high.
No one is willing to compromise.
What about all the Arabs who were "uprooted" in 1948?
Don't the Arabs have a legitimate grievance about the land?
Can you see if from their point of view as well?
Half the time when a friend or family member come to me complaining about how someone screwed them or whatever, I ask questions and realize they're at fault as well, maybe even more. Sorry. They never want to hear it. We all have a bias - can't help it.
Arabs were given 78% of Palestine now known as Jordan for a Judenrein state. Jews were granted the land west of the Jordan totaling 22% of the Palestine Mandate. Currently Israel is 14% of Palestine with the Arabs claiming the other 8% known as the WB and Gaza belong to them.

The foreign Hashemites occupy 78% of Palestine in Jordan. The Palestinians should go see the foreign Hashemites for their land and tell them to go back to where they came from.

Problem solved

Since: Nov 13

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#70120 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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What makes you think your path isnt errant?
rabbee: because TheG-D of This Story here in IT, kept bothering me until i agreed with THEM. i have stood in the actual presence of G-D, to get the scoop on this. and my whole life is verified in The Written Torah, here in The Living Torah as well. just like G-D said to me, before it all happened exactly that way in TheTorah.

so i have not doubts, that TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving IT all. and i am willing to bet my three encounters with G-D so far, against everybody else in this whole world's not having even one.

G-D has already told to me, my life story so how can i possible err? except for the part, of should the woman chaooah not do till the second and extremely painful visit with G-D. and so now i am not going to disbelief in G-D, cause it makes my behind extremely sore.

i cannot avoid anything that G-D said i shall do, here in TheTorah Happening. and it is all i can do, but to tell the truth about it all. cause i cannot change, anything that G-D said i shall do. it is not worth it, to believe the subtle critters of the field, that we are not all here in TheTorah G-D is still giving from the beginning with Noach to the last day with adam and chaooah placed in charge as always. TheG-D WHO is giving The Whole Living Torah here in IT, does not ever tell lies.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70122 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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wah!
On a serious note, yes, I at times get propositioned in the luxury night clubs that I visit by sexy females and lustful bisexuals who tell me openly they want to sleep with me.
I don't like it and rebuff them or laugh it off or pretend that I have not understood.
That must be awful.

My heart goes out to you.

(Why do I picture you like a glittery disco ball with you imagining the whole world revolving around you?)

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#70123 Mar 25, 2014
ADAM: My meaning was crystal clear, yours was like mud

........

Really?

Let's test your reasoning skills, ok?

Refer to the original exchange:

JOEL: The rabbis were opposed to Jesus because, unlike Moses, Jesus preached nondualism of equating the individual consciousness with the supreme consciousness.

ADAM: That's incorrect. The Rabbis would oppose anyone claiming to be G-d or a path to G-d which violates the Second Commandment. Additionally, anyone preaching anything other than the unity of G-d would be rejected.

........

So, Adam, now, using logic, tell me why would any averagely intelligent person oppose a mystic claiming that he's either attained to a nondual state of consciousness in which he has become one in consciousness with the supreme consciousness or that he's an incarnation of the supreme consciousness? From a mystico-logical perspective, what's wrong with either/both of these positions originating from nondualism?

Why should one stick to the inferior and flawed dualism of Tanach (second commandment et al)?

Use logic, not scriptural nonsense, to debunk nondualism in all its implications.

Let's see how far you get using logic and any corroborative evidence from nature/real life.

(smiles in advance)

Since: Nov 13

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#70124 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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So....was that a yes or a no on you guys still having the original tablets on which god wrote?
rabbee: even if i knew where The Tablets are, i would not admit to anything to anyone. if you want to know, talk to The Department of G-D'S Public Relations yourself. if G-D does not want to tell, any of you where they are. then i am, not about to tell any of you. i can only do and say, what G-D said to me in it's proper order. and so the answer still is, yes, no, maybe so. this world ain't readied itself, for anything truly from G-D. the only thing you all deserve from, is the same hard time you are giving G-D.

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#70125 Mar 25, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: because TheG-D of This Story here in IT, kept bothering me until i agreed with THEM. i have stood in the actual presence of G-D, to get the scoop on this. and my whole life is verified in The Written Torah, here in The Living Torah as well. just like G-D said to me, before it all happened exactly that way in TheTorah.
so i have not doubts, that TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving IT all. and i am willing to bet my three encounters with G-D so far, against everybody else in this whole world's not having even one.
G-D has already told to me, my life story so how can i possible err? except for the part, of should the woman chaooah not do till the second and extremely painful visit with G-D. and so now i am not going to disbelief in G-D, cause it makes my behind extremely sore.
i cannot avoid anything that G-D said i shall do, here in TheTorah Happening. and it is all i can do, but to tell the truth about it all. cause i cannot change, anything that G-D said i shall do. it is not worth it, to believe the subtle critters of the field, that we are not all here in TheTorah G-D is still giving from the beginning with Noach to the last day with adam and chaooah placed in charge as always. TheG-D WHO is giving The Whole Living Torah here in IT, does not ever tell lies.
Is your version of the Torah the Masoretic text or not?
former res

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#70126 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>.
......Lets try it this way.
Back when Tatars where still in the process of leaving Crimea (forcibly or otherwise), and Russians were still forcibly colonizing, and when the Russian population was less than 60%, and the minority Russians were pining for Russian statehood, would you (or Carter) still agree that Crimea should be Russian? Probably not.(or maybe so?) Then why give them the free pass NOW, as a reward for their imperialism? And in the same token, chastise Israel for doing the same? Thats the comparison.
And we Americans shouldn't get a free pass either because we took over this land from the Indians.

I may have lost track of who is who in the comparison.
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont recollect invoking his Peace Prize credentials, just his public record as a public statesman.
Hence my smiley face.

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#70127 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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That must be awful.

My heart goes out to you.

(Why do I picture you like a glittery disco ball with you imagining the whole world revolving around you?)
If we ever meet, we'll hit it off very well.

I like your humor.

Do come to Mumbai, I'll take you to the best places here. You'll enjoy the experiences of seeing first hand the high life in Mumbai. It's really something.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#70128 Mar 25, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Fatally altered? There is only one Masoretic text.
You will have to tell us what text your scroll is
rabbee: do yourself a favor, and do a google search on Torah Scroll. and save us both, from your ignorance on this matter. then if you have learned at least the basics, we can talk about it.

and one of the first documents, donated to the library of congress was a Torah Scroll.
former res

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#70129 Mar 25, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: even if i knew where The Tablets are, i would not admit to anything to anyone. if you want to know, talk to The Department of G-D'S Public Relations yourself. if G-D does not want to tell, any of you where they are. then i am, not about to tell any of you. i can only do and say, what G-D said to me in it's proper order. and so the answer still is, yes, no, maybe so. this world ain't readied itself, for anything truly from G-D. the only thing you all deserve from, is the same hard time you are giving G-D.
How convenient..

I never asked where they were, only if you folks still had them.

Or did you also have to return them to the angel like Joseph Smith said he did?

These religions all seem to have a common thread. That everything is taken on faith.

I see a pattern.

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#70130 Mar 25, 2014
In many ways, the high life in Mumbai exceeds the high life in NY, London or Singapore. In the elite places in Mumbai, money is spent like water, the happening places are fabulous, the houses are among the very best (top 1%) in the world in terms of opulence, style, price and amenities and the hip crowd is jet-setting, global, cool, trendy, handsome, poised and highly educated.
former res

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#70131 Mar 25, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Arabs were given 78% of Palestine now known as Jordan for a Judenrein state. Jews were granted the land west of the Jordan totaling 22% of the Palestine Mandate. Currently Israel is 14% of Palestine with the Arabs claiming the other 8% known as the WB and Gaza belong to them.
The foreign Hashemites occupy 78% of Palestine in Jordan. The Palestinians should go see the foreign Hashemites for their land and tell them to go back to where they came from.
Problem solved
Doesn't this all go back to the British drawing all these artificial lines in the desert?

You say the Arabs "were given 78%?" By whom? Who owned it before they did?

I thought it was all Arab land. Isn't that the point? The Jews were nomads and had no land of their own?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70132 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Clearly someone has to give up something.
This is why the divorce rate is so high.
No one is willing to compromise.
What about all the Arabs who were "uprooted" in 1948?
Don't the Arabs have a legitimate grievance about the land?
Can you see if from their point of view as well?
Half the time when a friend or family member come to me complaining about how someone screwed them or whatever, I ask questions and realize they're at fault as well, maybe even more. Sorry. They never want to hear it. We all have a bias - can't help it.
Adam did a good job with the numbers,
but I might add Israel gave up the Sinai (legally conqered after winning a defensive war), as well as Jewish settlements in Gaza. They had better luck with Sinai than Gaza.

The Sinai border is relatively peaceful, even if Egypt publicly still holds Israel in scorn. The Gaza withdrawal,(which I was VERY much in favor of), on the other hand, has been a disaster, as it has led to hundreds of missiles a year being fired into Israel.(Which is why Israel will never give up the Golan Heights).

As far as their POV, war happens, refugees happen, and as far as I know the Palestinians are the ONLY group kept in perpetual refuge-hood by the UN. All other groups are worked to be resettled. Whats up with that? Why the special treatment?

I am not opposed to settling the scores economically through compensation. As soon as the Arab nations recognize and compensate the Jews they kicked out during the same period. Which were hundreds of thousands.



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