Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62938 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I even stated earlier that what religion provides other aspects of our culture can easily provide as well.
Religion cannot provide anything useful except hatred, violence, unfairness, ignorance, cruelty, racism and fanaticism.

Task a cursory look at your ugly personality and you'll understand how demon worship has warped you.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62939 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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We are being more Jesus than you could ever hope to model.
I thought you looked to that evil retard, Moses, for inspiration.

YHVH and Moses - demonic types and retards.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62940 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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we even understand each others positions.
Retard,

COR has clearly said he parts ways with your perverted logic.

So, in what way has COR understood your retarded position?

In his mind, COR must be having a poor opinion of you as would any averagely thoughtful reader, except your boyfriend, Rick, the doll lover.

COR is on sound ground with his arguments and his method of exposing your illogic, hypocrisy and unfairness is welcome.

COR has routed you and made you a laughing stock, here.

It is you who has to learn from COR.

You have such poor logical skills and your bigotry is sky-high.

Grow up.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62941 Nov 18, 2013
COR = 7

FRIJOLES (the impoverished dunce)= 0

LOL.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62942 Nov 18, 2013
Where's Hugh? LOL.
Eric

Batavia, IL

#62943 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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On the other hand, religious texts preach hatred, mass murder, slavery, rape, cannibalism, human sacrifice, torture, hatred and other evils and so religion is patently evil and a bane.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf...

How was lunch, Hugh?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#62944 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Look here, science is neutral and is concerned about facts and application.
It is perverted humans who misuse science.
exactly.

And the same can be same for religion, arts, yoga, and the rest of the human created world.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62945 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Retard,
COR has clearly said he parts ways with your perverted logic.
So, in what way has COR understood your retarded position?
In his mind, COR must be having a poor opinion of you as would any averagely thoughtful reader, except your boyfriend, Rick, the doll lover.
COR is on sound ground with his arguments and his method of exposing your illogic, hypocrisy and unfairness is welcome.
COR has routed you and made you a laughing stock, here.
It is you who has to learn from COR.
You have such poor logical skills and your bigotry is sky-high.
Grow up.
I find it humorous that you are advocating as such considering both COR and I treat you (deservingly) as a loon with maturity issues.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62946 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
COR = 7
FRIJOLES (the impoverished dunce)= 0
LOL.
dont forget to keep count

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#62947 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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How do you explain chaos theory then?
Even the best of scientists acknowledge the limits of their discipline (not just the current state of their tools, but the applicableness of their tools).
I'm not sure I get your point about chaos theory.

In chaos theory, different initial conditions can lead to vastly different end results. I don't see anything unusual about that. Sounds pretty rational to me. Mathematically, it all makes sense.

Theoretically, you could predict the end result if you knew, not just the initial condition, but the values of all other variables in the system.

The fact that it is either impracticle or impossible to collect all these values leads us to not be able to make highly accurate long-term predictions (think weather). But so what. I'm not sure where this line of reasoning is going. Should we all learn to rain dance because we can't predict the weather beyond a few days?

I feel like we've really strayed beyond the original topic. ;-)

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#62948 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The difference between COR and I, VS you and I, is at the end of the day not only do COR and I respect each other, but we even understand each others positions.
We are being more Jesus than you could ever hope to model.
Jesus who?

;-)

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Jesus is Real" and I thought to myself, "Of course he is. He mows my lawn".

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62949 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I find it humorous that you are advocating as such considering both COR and I treat you (deservingly) as a loon with maturity issues.
That's a personal opinion.

I am exclusively referring to the subject of the debate and nothing else.

COR is not intelligent but nevertheless COR made you a laughing stock using simple logic that pointed out your hypocrisy and bigotry.

LOL.

Grow up, you're heading for destruction.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62950 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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exactly.

And the same can be same for religion, arts, yoga, and the rest of the human created world.
My, what an illogical dunce you are.

I am feeling sorry for you.



Religion is not neutral if it revolves around a personal G-d like YHVH, Jesus or Vishnu.

Art is also not neutral since it depends on the moods, skills and inclinations of the artist.

Yoga is not neutral since the seeker aims at a certain typal being or a specific plane in the meditation/trance thus indicating his innate bias and much of the results of yoga are molded by the natural instincts of the Yogi.

However, science is neutral - for example - mass, g, c, h, e, hydrogen, or other natural factors do not depend on the personality of the scientists since they are naturally existing impersonal facts.

Go and earn a few dollars otherwise you'll starve and besides you're teased and defeated.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62952 Nov 18, 2013
I am rockin' to EDM. The system is blasting, Mon.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62953 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Assume that extra-cosmic G-d who creates from nothing exists and that this G-d is not an evanescent product of conscious energy.
Can you ask a question like this - why does G-d exist?
The only answer would be because he exists.
WHY can be asked about ordinary phenomena like say why does it rain or why is it hot today or why are you late?
You can't ask a question like this - why is water wet?
The only answer is that wetness is its innate characteristic.
Or, it would be absurd to ask - why energy can be neither created nor destroyed?
The answer is that this is the way it is.
Or, you can't ask a silly question like - why does the cosmos exist?
The answer is because energy being self-existent and eternal and cyclical in nature thus cosmos in QM form or in 4-dimesnional spatio-temporal form has always existed.
Existence never disappears nor does it appear from nothing. That would be a contradiction since there's nothing like absolute nothing. So, existence can oscillate between subtle to gross and vice versa but existence will never be blotted out into nothingness.
Joel---there's nothing like absolute nothing.

Hugh--- upon reading those words I wondered if there was a trick to them because when I tried to relate your entire post to my question below I deemed your post to be ABSOLUTE nothingness.

Try answering once more.

Question, suppose you must make a choice between knowing HOW something is done or WHY it is done , which would you choose?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62954 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes.
COR is not intelligent but he is consistent in pointing out the hypocrisy of fanatical retards like Frijoles and Rick.
You can't hope to win any debate with even a kid if you base your logic on a pathetic book like Torah or on the illogic of an idiot like Maimonides.
I tell you that Frijoles is heading for destruction ---- his force fields are already showing a tinge of unbalance as a force of destruction prepares to move into his aura....
As for Rick, well, he'll be elated sucking dicks as he reads Torah and plays with his dolls.
LMFAO
I take it that COR is at least far more honest, in your opinion.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62955 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Joel - 1, Hugh - 0.
(smiles)
I believe that there is a place for self-gratification. So carry on.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62957 Nov 18, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Good night.
Hugh, don't visit public loos, please.
Why pick up other guys for sex, when I am all yours, Honey.
(grins)
Joel---Why pick up other guys for sex, when I am all yours, Honey.

Hugh---You may recall that I once told you that I pick up guys for the sole purpose of giving them NORMAL sex education. They are not required to take,at a later date, their female companions to the classes in order to demonstrate to me that they have learnt their lessons.

Having said all of this, you are still my guy.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62958 Nov 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The difference between COR and I, VS you and I, is at the end of the day not only do COR and I respect each other, but we even understand each others positions.
We are being more Jesus than you could ever hope to model.
I accept that you do not understand the things that I say. On the other hand I understand the positions that you cling to and the things that you say.

The problem is, many of your cherished beliefs and positions are without merit.

Let me illustrate by examples.

1. YOU have a habit of speaking on behalf of the ENTIRE Jewish populations all over the world. This approach is ABSURD.

2. You speak as if Jews who have REJECTED Judaism share your religious positions. This approach is ABSURD.

3. You embrace a LIE that Jews cannot be Christians. I excuse your rabbis as they are dunces and are not exposed to common sense but what is your excuse? I am with you almost daily and so you have no excuse.

4.You hold a Ph.D. in the sciences. Use your training and tell me via the laws of BIOLOGY, CHEMISTRY and even physics that a Jew who is a Christian is no longer a Jew.

Hint: Using science demonstrate how a change in religious BELIEFS will alter one's BIOLOGICAL relationship to mother and father, grandparents, cousins and ancestors.

Suppose one such person has a FAMILY history of a genetic defect that causes partial blindness in the right eye, use your scientific knowledge and explain how a change in beliefs will change this GENETIC defect from afflicting the person.

Demonstrate the disconnect between this JEW and his or her Jewish BLOODLINE.

I find the doctrine to be CRUEL and inhumane.

Your comedy line about you and Jesus has been noted.

Finally in terms of disrespect, don't give and it shall not be given back to you.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62959 Nov 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Jesus who?
;-)
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Jesus is Real" and I thought to myself, "Of course he is. He mows my lawn".
He painted our house a few years back too. Did a great job.

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