Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57657 Sep 3, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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The last word is salvation.
Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man. Right?
I did NOT ask you what the last word is. YOU were asked to explain the text. After you have done so I shall give you a YES or NO to your new question.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57658 Sep 3, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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If the early Christians were Jews, wouldn't they have written in Hebrew to convince the Jews of the messiah?
Let me tell you a secret, many Jews in the time of Jesus spoke Greek.

Have you every heard of the word, Hellenism? Explain it.

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#57659 Sep 3, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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If the early Christians were Jews, wouldn't they have written in Hebrew to convince the Jews of the messiah?
What does language have to do with a teaching?

Nothing, nothing at all.

Language is superfluous, content is everything.

Did the Hebrews reject the teachings that their patriarchs borrowed from the pre-Hebrew Babylonian cultures? Why, even the Hebrew G-d El is plagiarized from earlier or from co-existent cultures.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57660 Sep 3, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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If the early Christians were Jews, wouldn't they have written in Hebrew to convince the Jews of the messiah?
Adam, you have FAILED to answer yet another question.

Here it is again, Do you want to study it(NT) in Hebrew?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57661 Sep 3, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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There is no proof any of the NT were written contemporaneously. If you have it, I'd like to see it.
Please answer the following---

Do the words indicate the writers?

Do you have any more revelations?

You sound like a Judahite, are you?

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#57662 Sep 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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It seems the more the merrier.
Idiot,

Are you in your proper senses or are you high after drinking the blood of your slain lord, Jesus?

You're trivializing a serious matter that has marred history with barbarism of the worst kind which continues till the present times.

The more the number of competing Gods, the more the struggle, the more the fights and the more the jealousy - the Tanakh is proof of this savagery of El fiercely competing with co-existent Gods for supremacy with this supraphysical strife reflected on earth among the human followers of the various Gods that gave rise to recurring genocides, bloodshed, iconoclasm, hatred, slavery, human sacrifices, pillage and other ills.

Think a little before you post.

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#57663 Sep 3, 2013
Who cares whether Jesus lived or not so long as the teachings attributed to him make some sense, can be verified and have practical application.

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#57664 Sep 3, 2013
The principle is more important than the principal.

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#57665 Sep 3, 2013
Rigor and relevance
Trial and triumph
Sentience and self
Matter and making
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57666 Sep 3, 2013
Adam, I shall come back to play later so please make very good use of the time that you are now being given and ANSWER/respond INTELLIGENTLY to matters raised by me.

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#57667 Sep 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Don't stray, FOCUS. You said, "The NT was written by anonymous authors well after the Jewish Christians died."
YOU were asked to PROVE your "ANONYMOUS authors" and "after the JEWISH Christians died". YOU have FAILED to do so.
Now you have introduced CONTEMPORARY.
Focus....If they weren't contemporaneous they weren't written by the supposed authors. Therefore the authors were anonymous, thus the caption...The Gospel 'According' to...not the Gospel 'by'

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#57668 Sep 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Adam, you have FAILED to answer yet another question.
Here it is again, Do you want to study it(NT) in Hebrew?
Sure, do you have an original or an anonymous version?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#57669 Sep 3, 2013
Oh, don't be afraid I shall give you a YES or NO to your question as promised.

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#57670 Sep 3, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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What does language have to do with a teaching?
Nothing, nothing at all.
Language is superfluous, content is everything.
Did the Hebrews reject the teachings that their patriarchs borrowed from the pre-Hebrew Babylonian cultures? Why, even the Hebrew G-d El is plagiarized from earlier or from co-existent cultures.
That really isn't the issue. Authorship of the recorded events is the issue.

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#57671 Sep 3, 2013
The dissolution and replacement of the ego-formation with a superior nondual range of conscious energy is preferable to its subdual or sublimation.

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#57672 Sep 3, 2013
There's not much of a difference in the terms - the Gospel according to so and so and the Gospel by so and so since both cases are simple hearsay works of the words and life-deeds of Jesus. If the apostles are the authors of these books, then the Gospels are an eyewitness account of the teachings and deeds of Jesus and in many instances they could also be based on hearsay because one disciple may have been told something by Jesus and this something was repeated by the disciple to some other disciple who could have made written or mental notes of the same and later incorporated these in his Gospel dedicated to the teachings and deeds of Jesus.

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#57673 Sep 3, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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That really isn't the issue. Authorship of the recorded events is the issue.
Authorship hardly matters, what counts is the substance/contents of the scripture.

If you insist on authorship, tell me how can it ever be verified that the teachings/practices in Tanach were revealed to the patriarchs by their G-d, El?

So, no one can prove whether the teachings of Tanach, Quran or NT are revelations from some G-d whose existence cannot be verified and even if for argument's sake we assume that this typal being calling itself G-d exists, how do you know if he actually spoke to Moses or to Jesus or to someone else.

Even if the teachings of NT can be traced directly to Jesus, what does it matter since in this case too where the authorship has been established, the worth of the NT or of Jesus will be evaluated on the basis of the quality of the teachings. If the verified words of Jesus are found lacking, out goes his reputation and he and his teachings get ignored by the thinking section of society.

So, if you're averagely intelligent, which obviously you're not, you'd never insist on something as flimsy as authorship.

Instead, you'd be more concerned with the quality of the contents of a scripture.

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#57674 Sep 3, 2013
Principal is personality; principle is typal rhythm of conscious energy. Principal and principle are related with principal being the partial or complete manifested form of the principle.

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#57675 Sep 3, 2013
A principal is not always the one and only manifestation of principle since one principle can have a multiplicity of aspects on the different planes of existence and so this one principle in its gradations are manifested one gradation at a time by the various personifications of the principle with the totality of the principals reflecting the principle in its entirety.

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#57676 Sep 3, 2013
Principal is not always a partial or a complete incarnation of a principle since an aspect or various aspects of a principle can infuse the consciousness of a fit human medium who as a result manifests the same.

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