County backs hospital as 'sole provider'

County backs hospital as 'sole provider'

There are 24 comments on the The Deming Headlight story from Jan 31, 2011, titled County backs hospital as 'sole provider'. In it, The Deming Headlight reports that:

Luna County's Board of Commissioners broke from tradition to adopt a standpoint of supporting the local hospital as much as possible instead of spreading money to facilities in other counties.

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Whatever

Las Cruces, NM

#1 Jan 31, 2011
Mimbres Memorial Hospital; come in with a cold, leave in a bodybag.
The Truth

Goodyear, AZ

#2 Jan 31, 2011
Know the truth... Federal agents are violating federal law every time they allow a non US citizen to enter our country with out proper paperwork / documentation!

Every time a preganet female comes to our border, they are allowed to enter our country with out the required paper work. this is a violation of federal law. Having a baby is not a live threating medical emergency. Females have been having babies on this planet for eons...

The law for medical care is for humans that are already in the United States, and is only for Life Threatening medical emergencies, not babies, stubbed toes or broken fingers... You know things like heart attack, major blood loss, not being able to breath... the flu or a head cold are not life threatening...

Stop violating our federal laws..........
says it all

Deming, NM

#3 Jan 31, 2011
I'd like to know the breakdown of the indigent care. We know the problem with illegals crossing the boarder. How many are people that have just walked away from their medical insurance because they know that emergency room MUST provide service even if you can't pay. I've spent my life ensuring my future and I don't like being double-dipped on health care.
Bob

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Jan 31, 2011
Mimbres Memorial Hospital has to be one of the most crooked hospitals around they charge those with insurance 5 times what Silver City Hospital does for the SAME thing !
The Truth

United States

#6 Jan 31, 2011
What part of Life Threatening medical Emergency do you or the Hospital not understand?

If the Hospital makes a choice to give free medical care to someone then the hospital should have to cover the costs... Not us taxpayers

No where in our federal law does it say you are entitled to free service..

It clearly states life threatening medical emergencies...
tumbleweed

Washington, DC

#7 Jan 31, 2011
The Truth wrote:
Know the truth... Federal agents are violating federal law every time they allow a non US citizen to enter our country with out proper paperwork / documentation!
Every time a preganet female comes to our border, they are allowed to enter our country with out the required paper work. this is a violation of federal law. Having a baby is not a live threating medical emergency. Females have been having babies on this planet for eons...
The law for medical care is for humans that are already in the United States, and is only for Life Threatening medical emergencies, not babies, stubbed toes or broken fingers... You know things like heart attack, major blood loss, not being able to breath... the flu or a head cold are not life threatening...
Stop violating our federal laws..........
Those officers are not violating any law but are actually doing what the law and federal policy requires. You might want to actually read the law and understand it. Its always easy for people like you to condem others when you are not faced with the choices they have to make.
ROL

Washington, DC

#8 Jan 31, 2011
Why do we, the taxpayer, have to pay for medical care for illegals?
This is absurd, especially in a time when Americans can't afford health care. Veterans don't get free health care, unless combat wounded, yet illegals do. How stupid and un- American is this?
It is time we put a stop to this and start caring for our own people first!!!!!!!!!
True Value

San Antonio, TX

#9 Jan 31, 2011
ROL, you are totally correct. Charity begins at home, and this illegal thing is completely wrong!
LEGAL people are welcome, illegal people need to
do what it takes to become LEGAL if they intend to
benefit from this country's laws.( Paying taxes and
behaving as citizens for example)
Freedom isn't FREE for anyone. Taking resposibility for ourselves is the AMERICAN WAY! None of us can go to a foreign country and get free treatment, food or benefits
without citizenship......or can we? That's a joke!!
New Mexican 4 Ever

Santa Fe, NM

#10 Jan 31, 2011
The Truth wrote:
What part of Life Threatening medical Emergency do you or the Hospital not understand?
If the Hospital makes a choice to give free medical care to someone then the hospital should have to cover the costs... Not us taxpayers
No where in our federal law does it say you are entitled to free service..
It clearly states life threatening medical emergencies...
Read below, anytime you go to the emergency room, it will be deemed an emergency. It does not have to be life threatening. Needing a doctor on the weekend is not life threatening, but is an emergency. Therefore you will not be denied care. It only has to be an emergency, not life-threatening as you say.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

EMTALA applies to "participating hospitals", i.e., those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program. However, in practical terms, EMTALA applies to virtually all hospitals in the U.S., with the exception of the Shriners Hospitals for Children, Indian Health Service hospitals, and Veterans Affairs hospitals[citation needed]. The combined payments of Medicare and Medicaid,$602 billion in 2004, or roughly 44% of all medical expenditures in the U.S., make not participating in EMTALA impractical for nearly all hospitals. EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, and not just to Medicare patients.

The cost of emergency care required by EMTALA is not directly covered by the federal government. Because of this, the law has been criticized by some as an unfunded mandate. Similarly, it has attracted controversy for its impacts on hospitals, and in particular, for its possible contributions to an emergency medical system that is "overburdened, underfunded and highly fragmented." More than half of all emergency room care in the U.S. now goes uncompensated. Hospitals write off such care as charity or bad debt for tax purposes. Increasing financial pressures on hospitals in the period since EMTALA's passage have caused consolidations and closures, so the number of emergency rooms is decreasing despite increasing demand for emergency care. There is also debate about the extent to which EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.
nasty nate

Mesa, AZ

#11 Jan 31, 2011
As a tax payer I have no problem paying for medical for people who need it. Ileagal or not.
Rick

United States

#12 Jan 31, 2011
nasty nate wrote:
As a tax payer I have no problem paying for medical for people who need it. Ileagal or not.
I think the big question is how many really need it? Having a baby generally is not an emergency and there is medical facilities in Mexico.
Bellcrank

United States

#13 Jan 31, 2011
Check it out now...
the funk-sole provider.
right about now...

Since: Jun 10

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#14 Jan 31, 2011
The Truth wrote:
Know the truth... Federal agents are violating federal law every time they allow a non US citizen to enter our country with out proper paperwork / documentation!
Every time a preganet female comes to our border, they are allowed to enter our country with out the required paper work. this is a violation of federal law. Having a baby is not a live threating medical emergency. Females have been having babies on this planet for eons...
The law for medical care is for humans that are already in the United States, and is only for Life Threatening medical emergencies, not babies, stubbed toes or broken fingers... You know things like heart attack, major blood loss, not being able to breath... the flu or a head cold are not life threatening...
Stop violating our federal laws..........
Some Republican Senators have introduced a Bill that will eliminate anchor babies completely.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#15 Jan 31, 2011
ROL wrote:
Why do we, the taxpayer, have to pay for medical care for illegals?
This is absurd, especially in a time when Americans can't afford health care. Veterans don't get free health care, unless combat wounded, yet illegals do. How stupid and un- American is this?
It is time we put a stop to this and start caring for our own people first!!!!!!!!!
All veterans are entitled to free or income based healthcare if they served their term and received other than dishonorable discharge. Medical professionals are bound by oath to preserve life regardless of financial compensation. I would agree that criminals coming here illegally should pay or be jailed after services were rendered.
residentcoemploy ee

Scottsdale, AZ

#16 Jan 31, 2011
omg. once again sutherland pounds his chest calling attention to a very complex problem and once again absolutely lies by ommission. unbelievable yet again. by eliminating the 2 las cruces hospitals as sole community providers the county is now responsible for 100% of healthcare delivered to luna indigents instead of 25%. here it is folks; what the idiot didnt say because of incompetence or complete ignorance is that the amounts requested by memorial and mtn view for sole community provider designation are caps which limit the counties responsibility to both institutions and allows the fed govt to pay 75% of the claims. the counties share with the sole comm provider contract is limited to 25%. so the amounts listed in the article for those 2 hospitals are the total and the feds pay 75% county pays 25%. the f.....n idiot has now exposed the county to 100% of any claims instead of 25%.most claims from both hospitals if not all are for serious conditions that mimbres cant handle. heart attacks, serious trama cases etc. i cant believe the board failed to get some experienced advice instead of relying on john, i tell some versiuon of the truth, sutherland. now luna county still has to pay indigent claims to memorial and mtn view but 100% with no annual or individual cap.look at the numbers from both las crucs hospitals, now take 25% and that is the counties share, not the total amount6 as presented by the villiage idiot. good god, now the county will have to pay the 100% of each claims instead of 25% with an annual limit. there is now no limit with that decision and the county will and mark my words will end up paying these 2 hospitals by law not by discretion . the result of this decision based entirely on the recommendation of a lier or idot, will expose the county not only to paying the costs enirely out of county funds but the legal expenses when the county doesnt pay and the patient or more likely the hospital sues for cause. THIS IS UN.....NBELIEVABLE. SUTHERLAND DIDNT REDUCE THE COUNTIES COSTS BY SOUNDING TOUGH, HE HAS ENSURED THAT THE COUNNTY WITHOUT A SCP CONTRACT WILL PAY CLAIMS WO FED HELP AND WO AN ANNUAL LIMIT. if this disasterous decision isnt changed the county is in is deeeeeep trouble. his efforts to once again call attn to his great wisdom and concern forn the counties finances is based on blatant lies and ommission of pertenat facts that the board should have before making the decision. we had the feds paying 75% and an annual limits iron clad. sutherlands essentially eliminated the counties ability to control costs from out of county hospitals. SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE HELP. I CANT DO BECAUSE HE WLDM HAVE MY JOB. PLEASE PLEASE GET THE RIGHT INFO AND CALL YOUR COMMISSIONERS. THEY DONT KNOE THE DETAIS YET OF HOW THE SCP PROGRAM WORKS AND SUTHERLAND IS LEADING THEM DOWN A PATH OF RUINATION BY NOT DISCLOSING THE ENTIRE STORY.please please help the indigent fund and our general fund are at risk. one bypass surgury at either hospital will ruin the county financially. omg.
rush in

Santa Fe, NM

#17 Jan 31, 2011
Hey Johnny, you should have looked a little harder at Memorial and Mountain View and their requests.

It kinda works like this John... Mimbres cannot handle everything as much as they think they can. So they outsource some of these medical emergencies to Memorial and Mountain View.

Hard to believe Johnny, but Mimbres is sorta like a craphole at times. They pretty much cater to the new baby factory from the south, rather than say, a cardio specialist, brain surgens etc...

Mimbres is nothing but a "save you if we can hospital", then ship your carcas out to memorial and Mountain View in hopes you make it through what ever ills you over there.

For all you poor folk w/o insurance... your gonna get the shaft if the payments aint made to Memorial and Mountain View. In the meantime... not many poor folks own computers either...
Zzzzzz

Las Cruces, NM

#18 Feb 1, 2011
residentcoemployee wrote:
omg. once again sutherland pounds his chest calling attention to a very complex problem and once again absolutely lies by ommission. unbelievable yet again. by eliminating the 2 las cruces hospitals as sole community providers the county is now responsible for 100% of healthcare delivered to luna indigents instead of 25%. here it is folks; what the **** didnt say because of incompetence or complete ignorance is that the amounts requested by memorial and mtn view for sole community provider designation are caps which limit the counties responsibility to both institutions and allows the fed govt to pay 75% of the claims. the counties share with the sole comm provider contract is limited to 25%. so the amounts listed in the article for those 2 hospitals are the total and the feds pay 75% county pays 25%. the f.....n **** has now exposed the county to 100% of any claims instead of 25%.most claims from both hospitals if not all are for serious conditions that mimbres cant handle. heart attacks, serious trama cases etc. i cant believe the board failed to get some experienced advice instead of relying on john, i tell some versiuon of the truth, sutherland. now luna county still has to pay indigent claims to memorial and mtn view but 100% with no annual or individual cap.look at the numbers from both las crucs hospitals, now take 25% and that is the counties share, not the total amount6 as presented by the villiage ****. good god, now the county will have to pay the 100% of each claims instead of 25% with an annual limit. there is now no limit with that decision and the county will and mark my words will end up paying these 2 hospitals by law not by discretion . the result of this decision based entirely on the recommendation of a lier or idot, will expose the county not only to paying the costs enirely out of county funds but the legal expenses when the county doesnt pay and the patient or more likely the hospital sues for cause. THIS IS UN.....NBELIEVABLE. SUTHERLAND DIDNT REDUCE THE COUNTIES COSTS BY SOUNDING TOUGH, HE HAS ENSURED THAT THE COUNNTY WITHOUT A SCP CONTRACT WILL PAY CLAIMS WO FED HELP AND WO AN ANNUAL LIMIT. if this disasterous decision isnt changed the county is in is deeeeeep trouble. his efforts to once again call attn to his great wisdom and concern forn the counties finances is based on blatant lies and ommission of pertenat facts that the board should have before making the decision. we had the feds paying 75% and an annual limits iron clad. sutherlands essentially eliminated the counties ability to control costs from out of county hospitals. SOMEONE PLEASE PLEASE HELP. I CANT DO BECAUSE HE WLDM HAVE MY JOB. PLEASE PLEASE GET THE RIGHT INFO AND CALL YOUR COMMISSIONERS. THEY DONT KNOE THE DETAIS YET OF HOW THE SCP PROGRAM WORKS AND SUTHERLAND IS LEADING THEM DOWN A PATH OF RUINATION BY NOT DISCLOSING THE ENTIRE STORY.please please help the indigent fund and our general fund are at risk. one bypass surgury at either hospital will ruin the county financially. omg.
You are really starting to bore us. At first we were somewhat interested when you started flapping your gums about the whole county firing fiasco. But now, you're like a bad penny that just won't shut the fu ch up.
grey matter

United States

#19 Feb 1, 2011
And what about the County Commissioners? Aren't they the ones who vote for these decisions? Are we excusing them because of their ignorance? Tell them of your concerns and hopefully, if you convince them, they will vote as you wish. Don't let the Commissioners off the hook. They MUST be knowledgeable to vote wisely. Demand that they learn about the issues.
CONCERNED

United States

#20 Feb 2, 2011
THE INDIGENT HOSPITAL CLAIMS FUND IS FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS NOT ILLEGALS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER. IN ORDER TO QUALIFY YOU MUST PROVE RESIDENCY AND INCOME. THE VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO MEMORIAL MEDICAL CENTER AND GILA REGIONAL IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY IN THE FUND. LESS THAN 90,000.00 FOR EACH HOSPITAL COVERS ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT QUALIFY FOR A FULL YEAR OF HOSPITAL SERVICES. MIMBRES MEMORIAL HAS ALWAYS RECEIVED THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY, OVER 3,000,000.00 IN PAST YEARS. THIS WILL HURT THE RESIDENTS OF LUNA COUNTY NOT ABLE TO GET SERVICES AT OUR HOSPITAL, AND THEIR WILL BE NO MONEY TO PAY THE CLAIMS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO MMMC AND GRMC FROM THE IHC FUND.
I WISH THE COMMISSIONERS HAD OF SOUGHT MORE INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THE IHC FUND TO REALIZE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THEIR DECISION.
What the

Las Cruces, NM

#21 Feb 2, 2011
CONCERNED wrote:
THE INDIGENT HOSPITAL CLAIMS FUND IS FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS NOT ILLEGALS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER. IN ORDER TO QUALIFY YOU MUST PROVE RESIDENCY AND INCOME. THE VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO MEMORIAL MEDICAL CENTER AND GILA REGIONAL IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY IN THE FUND. LESS THAN 90,000.00 FOR EACH HOSPITAL COVERS ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT QUALIFY FOR A FULL YEAR OF HOSPITAL SERVICES. MIMBRES MEMORIAL HAS ALWAYS RECEIVED THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY, OVER 3,000,000.00 IN PAST YEARS. THIS WILL HURT THE RESIDENTS OF LUNA COUNTY NOT ABLE TO GET SERVICES AT OUR HOSPITAL, AND THEIR WILL BE NO MONEY TO PAY THE CLAIMS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO MMMC AND GRMC FROM THE IHC FUND.
I WISH THE COMMISSIONERS HAD OF SOUGHT MORE INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THE IHC FUND TO REALIZE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THEIR DECISION.
People who type in caps think they are more important than they really are.

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