Concern continues over PED teacher evaluations

Nov 8, 2013 Full story: Ruidoso News 26

The new system for teacher evaluations, which launched this fall, continues to be a major source of contention among teachers and administrators across the state.

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Simon_Phoenix

Hobbs, NM

#1 Nov 8, 2013
There has been much debate over whether evaluations are truly effective in rating teachers, do I personally think the teachers need this? Absolutely and I will explain why.

You do not go to a doctor that does not keep with current treatments and advances do you? Certainly not, you expect your health care professional to keep his or her knowledge and cetification current.

You do not go to a mechanic that does not have an SAE certification or at least a solid foundation in mechanics do you? Cars break and if your mechanic lacks the knowledge or competency to repair it, you will tell your friends to avoid.

You do not go to a financial planner that does not have the education and experience to handle your money do you? Of course not, you expect him or her to handle your money in a professional manner.

So why are there so many hipocrates that feel that your most precious asset (your children) do not deserve a competent, capable, current standard teacher? Really? I would expect each and every single teacher that teaches my children to be current in all levels of education and proficiency.

Your children deserve no less, and this system is feared because the legendary "dance of the lemons" becomes less and less playable. Now substandard teachers cannot hide under tenure or spend years still teaching children despite a lack of competency. They either make the grade or get shown the door.

It should have and always should be this way, you would never tolerate substandard service, so why would you ever tolerate substandad teaching? Many teachers really do shine and deserve to be recognized for their hard work, they really do.

But anyone that is a true professional will tell you it must be earned. And to simply say this is unfair,its probably being said by unions because those that hide behind tenure will now have to either put up or shut up.(god forbid the teachers unions lose a due paying dolt that doesnt cut it).

Perhaps with the schools in America virtually in shambles, its the beginning of the right direction to insure our children's future.

Since: Dec 09

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Nov 8, 2013
Since we are always on the bottom when it comes to education I'd say teacher evaluations are necessary. I always wonder when a group works as hard as teachers have to prevent being evaluated. One thing is for certain it isn't for the benefit of the students.
Tourist

Rio Rancho, NM

#3 Nov 9, 2013
Many teachers pre sort them selves by deciding that they don`t want to work on the lower end of the pay scale in the first place. The state seems to be going about this backwards. They test in other states as well but they pay more in other states. You need a carrot and a stick, just a stick won`t work for very long. I would also point out that the auto mechanic can chose what kind of auto he works on, yet a teacher has to take what ever they are presented with unless they work for a private school.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#4 Nov 9, 2013
Tourist wrote:
Many teachers pre sort them selves by deciding that they don`t want to work on the lower end of the pay scale in the first place. The state seems to be going about this backwards. They test in other states as well but they pay more in other states. You need a carrot and a stick, just a stick won`t work for very long. I would also point out that the auto mechanic can chose what kind of auto he works on, yet a teacher has to take what ever they are presented with unless they work for a private school.
NM is 36th in population w/ just under 2.1mil people and at least 25% of them are supposedly below the poverty level, and even more are getting subsidies. Using Nat'l statistics, if 47% of the population here pay no taxes, that means our state is being funded by roughly 1,113,000 people, however I suspect way more than 47% pay no taxes in NM. Either way, with that kind of money available, teachers in NM have choices to make, and one BIG reason teachers wages are lower than many other states. None the less, your assessment does make a good point.
THANKS

Ruidoso, NM

#5 Nov 9, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
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NM is 36th in population w/ just under 2.1mil people and at least 25% of them are supposedly below the poverty level, and even more are getting subsidies. Using Nat'l statistics, if 47% of the population here pay no taxes, that means our state is being funded by roughly 1,113,000 people, however I suspect way more than 47% pay no taxes in NM. Either way, with that kind of money available, teachers in NM have choices to make, and one BIG reason teachers wages are lower than many other states. None the less, your assessment does make a good point.
Hey CornDogz...thank you for your Military Service to this country on this Veterans Day. Our country is proud of you.
Simon_Phoenix

Hobbs, NM

#6 Nov 9, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
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NM is 36th in population w/ just under 2.1mil people and at least 25% of them are supposedly below the poverty level, and even more are getting subsidies. Using Nat'l statistics, if 47% of the population here pay no taxes, that means our state is being funded by roughly 1,113,000 people, however I suspect way more than 47% pay no taxes in NM. Either way, with that kind of money available, teachers in NM have choices to make, and one BIG reason teachers wages are lower than many other states. None the less, your assessment does make a good point.
Thank you for your service as well CornDogz! From one veteran to another,(United States Air Force Retired).
THANKS

Ruidoso, NM

#7 Nov 9, 2013
Simon_Phoenix wrote:
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Thank you for your service as well CornDogz! From one veteran to another,(United States Air Force Retired).
Thank you for your sacrafice also Simon. We love our Military men and women!
Yvonne

Anaheim, CA

#8 Nov 9, 2013
God bless all our service men and women, past and present. We, too, are an Air Force family and so proud of the accomplishments of our son, Lt. Col. Chris Wachter. www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/04/14/timep.dict...

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#9 Nov 9, 2013
Simon_Phoenix wrote:
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Thank you for your service as well CornDogz! From one veteran to another,(United States Air Force Retired).
And thank you for yours. I only did close to 5 yrs active, you did the full stretch!
THANKS

Ruidoso, NM

#10 Nov 9, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
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And thank you for yours. I only did close to 5 yrs active, you did the full stretch!
5 years active is significant. You served, and that is all that matters to me. There is only less than 1% of our population that serves and gaurentees the freedoms the rest of us enjoy everyday. I have never served so I especially appreciate our military and I always thank our Americans in uniform whenever or wherever I see them, irrespective of what day it is.
coyote

Rio Rancho, NM

#11 Nov 9, 2013
NM is near the high end in per pupil expenditures, even more so if rated on taxpayer effort (% of our income spent on education) but dead last in accomplishments. There are many reasons for this, and teachers are only one. Having dealt with school administrators and retired school administrators, I understand the reluctance of teachers to give these idiots any more power than they currently have.
However, the solution is not to say No to any evaluation system. The taxpayers are getting tired of throwing good money after bad. Teachers need to come up with a sensible alternative, if they don't like the system proposed, not hold their breath and turn blue.
At the same time, voters need to look at 7 out of 10 NM births being paid for by Medicaid. How teachable are these kids going to be? Conservatives especially need to get their noses out of their Bibles and realize that contraception should not only be free for the asking, but actively encouraged for anyone not ready to have and support a family. The future of this state depends on it.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#12 Nov 9, 2013
coyote wrote:
NM is near the high end in per pupil expenditures, even more so if rated on taxpayer effort (% of our income spent on education) but dead last in accomplishments. There are many reasons for this, and teachers are only one. Having dealt with school administrators and retired school administrators, I understand the reluctance of teachers to give these idiots any more power than they currently have.
However, the solution is not to say No to any evaluation system. The taxpayers are getting tired of throwing good money after bad. Teachers need to come up with a sensible alternative, if they don't like the system proposed, not hold their breath and turn blue.
Well said. There are a myriad of reasons for our failure(s) and no one solution will fix it. IMO evaluations are just part of the process, and I hope they don't become the only point used to get us on track. Throwing more money at it has proven a failure that even those who embraced it initially should understand now. Sadly we can't evaluate the parents who play a major role in all this too.

As usual with many union entities, they have no alternative plan, just "No" and "Give us more money."
Tourist

Rio Rancho, NM

#13 Nov 10, 2013
Boy someone loves to use those stupid marks next to everyone`s comments. At least if you disagree give a reason . One persons comments was even marked as spam. In my spare time between trying to get my child caught up on his homework I was looking at web sites with different rating systems for the schools in NM and the rest of the USA .The latest NM scores rank just about in the middle from one ranking system to wild variations on the rest making it impossible to say. Needless to say NM had schools all over the map in performance depending on WHO you ask but spending really was cut by some of the highest amounts -2.7 % in the last couple of years. Sue V Cleaveland school in Rio Rancho cost about 100 million to build but that didn`t translate in to higher test scores than Rio Rancho High School. One rating system ranked Rio Rancho schools about twice as good as Ruidoso schools but little Cloudcroft schools as some of the best in the state. As far as I know none of these schools are teaching kids how to fix robots or defend us from Zombies, skills that might really be use full in the future. I just wrote Zombies to get some of those silly marks.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#14 Nov 10, 2013
Tourist wrote:
Boy someone loves to use those stupid marks next to everyone`s comments. At least if you disagree give a reason . One persons comments was even marked as spam. In my spare time between trying to get my child caught up on his homework I was looking at web sites with different rating systems for the schools in NM and the rest of the USA .The latest NM scores rank just about in the middle from one ranking system to wild variations on the rest making it impossible to say. Needless to say NM had schools all over the map in performance depending on WHO you ask but spending really was cut by some of the highest amounts -2.7 % in the last couple of years. Sue V Cleaveland school in Rio Rancho cost about 100 million to build but that didn`t translate in to higher test scores than Rio Rancho High School. One rating system ranked Rio Rancho schools about twice as good as Ruidoso schools but little Cloudcroft schools as some of the best in the state. As far as I know none of these schools are teaching kids how to fix robots or defend us from Zombies, skills that might really be use full in the future. I just wrote Zombies to get some of those silly marks.
There are some JudgeIt!-bots out there that get off using them on practically everybody's posts - just watch what they do to this one<G>.

School rankings like just about any other stat now is spun by most, grossly subjective. But if one looks at graduation rates, reading and math skills by less than HS grades and retention of NM kids after HS/college, you get a fair sense of where we fit into the grand scheme. Several things get in the way, peer pressure, culture, apathy, boredom, our legislature, teachers, administrators, teenage/single/irresponsible parents, and the list goes on and on. NM has the potential to do so much better, and our youth deserve it. Ultimately though it falls on the back of the students, the ones who have the REAL ability to change. They just need a lot encouragement and frequent reminders they can do it. What they do NOT need is a free diploma just so they don't feel bad about themselves.
Simon_Phoenix

Hobbs, NM

#15 Nov 10, 2013
I get the notion whoever is trolling the judgeit icons is probably someone who has a considerable amount to lose if the rating systems passes.

So, to whoever is trolling this topic, what do you have to fear? As Tourist mentioned above, if you have a counterpoint to make,why not present your opposing view in an open and honest debate?

Or are you one of the kind of people that cant handle criticism of New Mexico or its institutions? Progress is only made when honest and diverse people can weigh in their opinion and thoughts to others.

But there will always be the few that cannot handle a different point of view, sad and pathetic really, just shows the level of immaturity out there.(or the level of what the opposing party will got to to keep people silent).
Tourist

Rio Rancho, NM

#16 Nov 10, 2013
If the rating system is turned out by the courts it will simply revert to the NCLB that everyone is trained on already. NM wanted to replace that system just when the stick part of the carrot and stick started to kick in. There are many subjective views out there. I think the Head of the Schools in Ruidoso gave a good report and so did some other reporters lately .I mean look what the guy in ABQ did and now he is in hot water !Those little marks are like making the pig noises that the head of the ABQ did .Really taking things to a higher level.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#17 Nov 10, 2013
Simon_Phoenix wrote:
I get the notion whoever is trolling the judgeit icons is probably someone who has a considerable amount to lose if the rating systems passes.
So, to whoever is trolling this topic, what do you have to fear? As Tourist mentioned above, if you have a counterpoint to make,why not present your opposing view in an open and honest debate?
Or are you one of the kind of people that cant handle criticism of New Mexico or its institutions? Progress is only made when honest and diverse people can weigh in their opinion and thoughts to others.
But there will always be the few that cannot handle a different point of view, sad and pathetic really, just shows the level of immaturity out there.(or the level of what the opposing party will got to to keep people silent).
I view them as insignificant little trolls with no lives and even less significant opinions. That's why I see their negatives as a badge of honor knowing I annoy them because I'm right, and they substantiate that posting their little icons.

“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#18 Nov 10, 2013
Tourist wrote:
If the rating system is turned out by the courts it will simply revert to the NCLB that everyone is trained on already. NM wanted to replace that system just when the stick part of the carrot and stick started to kick in. There are many subjective views out there. I think the Head of the Schools in Ruidoso gave a good report and so did some other reporters lately .I mean look what the guy in ABQ did and now he is in hot water !Those little marks are like making the pig noises that the head of the ABQ did .Really taking things to a higher level.
If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. And we know that's true because of where we are.

APS Supt Winston Brooks is an immature fool as shown by his tweets, saying he was bored at the mtg, and several others like those about Skandera. So too is our districtís social media specialist who tweeted with him. Local taxpayers and our kids deserve better for the $250,000/yr Brooks makes, and for being the 31st largest school district in the nation.
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Nov 10, 2013
Someone in a previous post hit a note which needs to be picked up. There are several things which influence the success of students: administrators who know what is needed; teachers who truly know what and how to teach; students who can be motivated to learn; and parents who are concerned and care. The last two cannot be controlled or evaluated by teacher evaluations. Motivation can be done to some extent by teachers, but parents need to provide discipline and direction to their kids. Unfortunately many of today's parents do not know how or care enough to parent, partly because they are the kids of parents who did not know how to parent either. Perhaps we need to invest a small percentage of our educational funds on educating parents.
citizen

Alto, NM

#20 Nov 10, 2013
Hagar wrote:
Someone in a previous post hit a note which needs to be picked up. There are several things which influence the success of students: administrators who know what is needed; teachers who truly know what and how to teach; students who can be motivated to learn; and parents who are concerned and care. The last two cannot be controlled or evaluated by teacher evaluations. Motivation can be done to some extent by teachers, but parents need to provide discipline and direction to their kids. Unfortunately many of today's parents do not know how or care enough to parent, partly because they are the kids of parents who did not know how to parent either. Perhaps we need to invest a small percentage of our educational funds on educating parents.
So, exactly what is wrong with evaluations of teachers. Every job in the private sector requires employee evaluations. Are teachers afraid they might not meet expectations? They should have been evaluated yearly.

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