Petain name change
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Milltown Man

East Meadow, NY

#1 Mar 9, 2010
I am deeply disappointed at the low turnout for the March 8, 2010 Borough Council meeting. Milltown residents had a chance to voice their outrage at having a street in their town named for a Nazi collaborator who contributed to sending thousands to their death.
It is disgraceful when we can't stand up and fight to change a reminder of what thousands of soldiers have died to defend.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Milltown Woman

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#2 Mar 9, 2010
Maybe the reason they did not show up to voice their outrage is that they are not outraged.

There have been two local newspaper articles (front page) and the NY Times article & facebook. It's not a secret.

If you are a resident of Milltown you know that we have for many years a VFW and an American Legion in town. I am sure they agree that thousands of soldiers fought and died for all of us - for all of our freedoms and our rights - which includes the freedom and right to keep the name of the street.

What do you call someone that continues to insist that only their concerns and opinions matter. Evan could not accept the decision of the mayor and council because it was not in his favor. And he did not like the NY Times article becuase it was written fairly and not in his favor.

There is today in the world innocent people dying in wars & conflicts, homeless and starving, in need of medical care. Changing a stret name will not change history. But we can learn from hitory and honor all who died in war by working together to make the world a better place for every human being today.
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#3 Mar 11, 2010
Milltown Woman wrote:
Maybe the reason they did not show up to voice their outrage is that they are not outraged.
There have been two local newspaper articles (front page) and the NY Times article & facebook. It's not a secret.
If you are a resident of Milltown you know that we have for many years a VFW and an American Legion in town. I am sure they agree that thousands of soldiers fought and died for all of us - for all of our freedoms and our rights - which includes the freedom and right to keep the name of the street.
What do you call someone that continues to insist that only their concerns and opinions matter. Evan could not accept the decision of the mayor and council because it was not in his favor. And he did not like the NY Times article becuase it was written fairly and not in his favor.
There is today in the world innocent people dying in wars & conflicts, homeless and starving, in need of medical care. Changing a stret name will not change history. But we can learn from hitory and honor all who died in war by working together to make the world a better place for every human being today.
WELL PUT, just like a kid when you say no.
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#4 Mar 11, 2010
The whole world affends me.
, who do I complain too?Lets change everything that affends us,start with the US government for making this mess we have today.DONT TREAD ON ME
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#5 Mar 11, 2010
A new poll shows 60 percent of Americans with children in elementary or secondary school say most school textbooks are more focused on being politically correct than ensuring accuracy.

Rasmussen Reports reveals a full 49 percent of the parents say most U.S. history textbooks are not accurate while 28 percent say most school history textbooks portray it accurately. Another 23 percent said they are not sure
East Brunswick Man

West Orange, NJ

#6 Mar 11, 2010
Milltown Man wrote:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
And keeping the name will allow those to remember his fall from a World War I hero, to what he became in World War II. Erasing the name from the street will not erase history, which is what this kid appears to be trying to do.
Veteran in Milltown

East Meadow, NY

#7 Mar 11, 2010
I am confused as to WHY they went to the meeting on the 8th. At the previous meeting, the decision was made to no longer persue the issue. The families which live on Petain did not think the had to go and plead their story again. It was a final decision made by our elected officials. Not really a surprise after seeing how Evan and his followers behaved at the first meeting though. He wont stop until his parents get their way.

I have heard that a councilman has changed his view. Great leadership there! Shouldn't you make a steadfast decision and stick to it instead of backing down and falling to the opposition? Do you have new facts now? If so, did you make your first decision WITHOUT having the facts? Hope you're not guiding Boy Scouts or anything like that. Nothing like trying not to offend anyone. Again, great leadership.

New Brunswick has some great restaurants. Do I like what I see has happened to some of the neighborhoods there? Maybe I should write a letter to their mayor. Actually, Evan lives on Gunpowder Ln.... gunpowder has killed and continues to kill more people than Hitler could ever dream. Let's change his street's name!

Evan, join the Boy Scouts of America. Join the local rescue squad. Go pick up trash along some road in EAST BRUNSWICK. Stop bothering these humble MILLTOWN residents! No one owes you anything from The Holocaust. Do something that can help (today) your local fellow Americans beyond making them feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Milltown Woman

AOL

#8 Mar 11, 2010
thebiggb wrote:
A new poll shows 60 percent of Americans with children in elementary or secondary school say most school textbooks are more focused on being politically correct than ensuring accuracy.
Rasmussen Reports reveals a full 49 percent of the parents say most U.S. history textbooks are not accurate while 28 percent say most school history textbooks portray it accurately. Another 23 percent said they are not sure
iT'S NO WONDER THAT OUR COUNTRY IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN TODAY.
SHARON-L

AOL

#9 Mar 11, 2010
Do the voters in Milltown realize how much of the Mayor and Council's valuable time is being wasted on this issue. Shouldn't they be taking care of important business that benefits all of Milltown. This group will most likely continue to show up at meetings(in true bully style) Do we wait until a critical mistake is made - caused by the distraction of this dead issue. At what point do we say enough is enough and stick to our guns and the original unanimous vote!!
East Brunswick Resident

East Brunswick, NJ

#10 Mar 13, 2010
Veteran from Milltown,

Petain was directly responsible for sending 77,000 Jews to their death. He ordered them rounded up and delivered them to the Nazis who were short on manpower and could not do it themselves.

By not changing the street name you are spitting in the face of the Jewish community of New Jersey. No, no one owes anybody anything. But it is nice if we respect each other. Millions of people change their address in the US each year. It is a hassle, but not a big one.

Did you also know by the way that Petain supported the Axis efforts in WWII and gave them much supplies? He was also responsible for the deaths of American soldiers like you. Why do you insist that this man should be honored? Let's keep him in the history books where he belongs but not give him honor he does not deserve by having a steet named after him.
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#11 Mar 13, 2010
East Brunswick Resident wrote:
Veteran from Milltown,
Petain was directly responsible for sending 77,000 Jews to their death. He ordered them rounded up and delivered them to the Nazis who were short on manpower and could not do it themselves.
By not changing the street name you are spitting in the face of the Jewish community of New Jersey. No, no one owes anybody anything. But it is nice if we respect each other. Millions of people change their address in the US each year. It is a hassle, but not a big one.
Did you also know by the way that Petain supported the Axis efforts in WWII and gave them much supplies? He was also responsible for the deaths of American soldiers like you. Why do you insist that this man should be honored? Let's keep him in the history books where he belongs but not give him honor he does not deserve by having a steet named after him.
And by trying to force your will on this town is spitting in the face of the country that libberated your asses.DONT TREAD ON ME!!
East Brunswick Resident

East Brunswick, NJ

#12 Mar 13, 2010
Force our will?
Since when is arguing for your point peacefully and lawfully forcing? Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. We are doing things that are well within our rights and are not trampling the rights of anybody else. We are citizens in this country just like you so nobody liberated our asses. In fact you are TREADING ON US by denying us our constitutional rights of free speech and the right to make our point of view heard.

And again, why would you insist on keeping a street name that is so insulting to your fellow citizens? Why do you insist on honoring a mass murderer? Can you address the issue instead of reacting like a teenager?
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#13 Mar 13, 2010
East Brunswick Resident wrote:
Force our will?
Since when is arguing for your point peacefully and lawfully forcing? Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. We are doing things that are well within our rights and are not trampling the rights of anybody else. We are citizens in this country just like you so nobody liberated our asses. In fact you are TREADING ON US by denying us our constitutional rights of free speech and the right to make our point of view heard.
And again, why would you insist on keeping a street name that is so insulting to your fellow citizens? Why do you insist on honoring a mass murderer? Can you address the issue instead of reacting like a teenager?
Its called FREEDOM not just yours
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#14 Mar 14, 2010
Can someone tell me were in the US constitution or NJ constitution someone has a right not to be offended? http://www.constitution.org/constit_ . http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/lawsconstitution...
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#15 Mar 14, 2010
Daughter of WWII Veteran

South River, NJ

#17 Mar 14, 2010
East Brunswick Resident wrote:
Force our will?
Since when is arguing for your point peacefully and lawfully forcing? Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. We are doing things that are well within our rights and are not trampling the rights of anybody else. We are citizens in this country just like you so nobody liberated our asses. In fact you are TREADING ON US by denying us our constitutional rights of free speech and the right to make our point of view heard.
And again, why would you insist on keeping a street name that is so insulting to your fellow citizens? Why do you insist on honoring a mass murderer? Can you address the issue instead of reacting like a teenager?
And we also have the right to keep the street name. This street has had it's name since the 1920's which only proves that no one has been offended by it. It is not a new street and it was not a secret. Milltown has a VFW and an American Legion. Many veterans lived and still live in town. How is it that they in 90 years have not had an objection. Does the public really believe that a 15 year old youngster with no life experience is behind this? The truth is that no matter why this started it is no longer about History. It has now become about revenge and about one group getting its way. Milltwon council unanimously voted on Feb 22nd to keep the street name. The Gottesmans did not respect that vote. The New York Time's article did not take their side (although the Gottesman's expected they would). Now they vow "this is not over"
I have not seen or heard just how much this would cost Milltown taxpayers(which the Gottesmans could care less about).
The homeowners on Petain Avenue do not want their street name changed. Let's respect their rights as private citizens and property taxpayers of Milltown.
Daughter of WWII Veteran

Newark, NJ

#18 Mar 14, 2010
thebiggb wrote:
<quoted text>And by trying to force your will on this town is spitting in the face of the country that libberated your asses.DONT TREAD ON ME!!
Please read the article by Allan Massie on Petain in Standpoint magazine September 2008 titled "France Finally Forgets Vichy " www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/397/full
thebiggb

Carteret, NJ

#19 Mar 14, 2010
Daughter of WWII Veteran wrote:
<quoted text> And we also have the right to keep the street name. This street has had it's name since the 1920's which only proves that no one has been offended by it. It is not a new street and it was not a secret. Milltown has a VFW and an American Legion. Many veterans lived and still live in town. How is it that they in 90 years have not had an objection. Does the public really believe that a 15 year old youngster with no life experience is behind this? The truth is that no matter why this started it is no longer about History. It has now become about revenge and about one group getting its way. Milltwon council unanimously voted on Feb 22nd to keep the street name. The Gottesmans did not respect that vote. The New York Time's article did not take their side (although the Gottesman's expected they would). Now they vow "this is not over"
I have not seen or heard just how much this would cost Milltown taxpayers(which the Gottesmans could care less about).
The homeowners on Petain Avenue do not want their street name changed. Let's respect their rights as private citizens and property taxpayers of Milltown.
The town voted twice not to change ths name
Daughter of WWII Veteran

Metuchen, NJ

#20 Mar 14, 2010
thebiggb wrote:
<quoted text>The town voted twice not to change ths name
Thank you. So that means for a second time now the Gottesman group has not respected the decision. Has not respected the rights of the homeowners to keep their street name and to continue to live there in peace.
thebiggb

Avenel, NJ

#21 Mar 14, 2010
Daughter of WWII Veteran wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you. So that means for a second time now the Gottesman group has not respected the decision. Has not respected the rights of the homeowners to keep their street name and to continue to live there in peace.
You cant have respect when you are blind with hate.

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