Gospel of Judas rattles beliefs

Newly translated, ancient documents challenge orthodox teaching on Jesus and his betrayer From wire services Originally published April 7, 2006 Judas Iscariot, long reviled as history's quintessential betrayer, ...

[John G]

If the publication of this farcical text actually "rattles beliefs" one must conclude they were faux-beliefs to begin with!

[Alice C Linsley]

John G wrote:

If the publication of this farcical text actually "rattles beliefs" one must conclude they were faux-beliefs to begin with!

Amen!
John is right that such "faith" is shaken easily because it is not grounded in the Eternal Unchanging One. In fact, it reinvents itself constantly to tickle the fancy and to line the pockets of fabricators of tall tales.

[false gospal]

THE GOSPAL OF JUDAS IS A FALSE GOSPAL BASED ON MANY IDEOLOGIES WHICH WAS REJECTED BY CHRISTAINS THEN AND NOW.

IT IS A TOTALLY FALSE GOSPAL AND IS HERESY.

THE CHRISTAN FAITH IS NOT SHAKEN BY THIS BUT WILL BECOME EVEN STRONGER.

AGAIN THE DEMONS ARE AT WORK TO CREATE FRICTION.

[Tom]

For the Orthodox, St. Irenaus took care of the Gospel and its teachings back in the second century. It has been a settled issue for us since then!

[Alice C Linsley]

Yes! Irenaus knew the biblical tradition so that he was able to discern teachings and writings that strayed from that Tradtion. See my recently posted essay at Drell's Descants on how Anthropology Verifies the Apostolic-Messianic Tradition.

[Menon_ Brisbane]

Whatever it maybe, whether it was written after Jesus's death and resurrection and as well as Judas's death, it just only further proves that Jesus was real, and he was a real man that was accounted for and that exsisted somewaht 2000 years ago.

Judas maybe have been the one chosen by Jesus , that he revealed his true identity towards him and even if he didnt, it was to happen. Jesus knew himself, either way.
He had predicted his death and how he would die... before he even spoke to judas or when he chose him to "betray" him.

Its very interesting to see what scrolls they have found. Cant wait for the next one. Stand firm in whatever you belive in. Believe it.

After all many things have popped out after that pierod in time went to "past". It just only goes to show that , HE really existed and was a pure reflection of his word and Love.

[Alice C Linsley]

One of the reasons that this document is of little use is that it has nothing to say about how we worship. How we worship matters and being properly oriented in worship matters as much as the spiritual posture of our hearts and minds. The kinship pattern of our spiritual Father, Abraham, and of his ancestors revolved around their idea of God’s rule over all the earth as symbolized by the sun’s rising in the East and setting in the West. In the case of the metal-working chiefs of the Paleo-Dominion, knowing true north was possible because they had discovered the polarization of magnetized iron filings. The chiefs maintained two wives in separate households on a north-south axis rather than an east-west axis, out of deference to the Sovereign God, who journeyed daily between his wives: Dawn and Dust. The only religion that I know of that continues to observe the ancient symbolism of the four poles is Eastern Orthodoxy, with the four doors of the iconostasis representing the four directions. The symbolism of the four doors and the eastward orientation of the priest and congregation is rooted in the most ancient understanding of God as brought to us by the Apostolic-Messianic Tradition with its antecedents in the faith of Abraham. Looking at Genesis as an anthropologist, the genealogical information and mystical symbolism found provide clear evidence that Genesis is an authentic account of our spiritual Father Abraham. Irenaus knew and defended this Tradition.

[Ervan]

We must use the Scripture (Bible) to meaasure all truth & error.

We know Judas was a "zealot" and of those who were working to throw off the bondage of Rome!

Many Jews wanted a physical King, to help them accomplish this same thing. That's one reason why they rejected JESUS. He only wanted to die for their sins and take upon himself the curse of all mankind, as the sacrificial Lamb, the scape-goat for us all.

Jesus knew the main battle was in higher regions of the Spirit, with satan & the demons and He destroyed satans powers on the cross & with the Ressurrction. Now we are learning to oppropriate that.

God does not want any to perish. He has re-education and re-cycling in the next life, so we can assume that Judas, has learned much and may be trying to get through to us about JESUS continued Mercy & Love for all those who seek Truth, Peace & Justice.

If it inpires you to seek GOD, it's good. If it takes your faith away, it is bad.

Choose this day whom you shall serve. JESUS is the Messiah. Serve HIM. For Anti-christ is near and satan is about to make a very ugly move this year, that with impact the USA & the world,,,,maybe before Aug.

I recieved this message from other prophets, They encourage us all to Be Prepared, have contingency plans for you & your loved ones! Prepare spiritually with knowing the Real JESUS & His Words & put them into practice.

We dont know exactly what satans next move is on the Endtime chess board, but, we do well to be way ahead of his moves, by faith & obedience to JESUS & HIS Words, fresh daily.

[Peter]

The Irenaeus quoted as authoritative to refute the Gospel of Judas, is that the same one who said:

1) Fragment no 32.“Why was it, that when these two (Aaron and Miriam) had both acted with despite towards him (Moses), the latter alone was adjudged punishment? First, because the woman was the more culpable, since both nature and the law place the woman in a subordinate condition to the man."

2) In "Against Heresies," in book 2 where he claims that Jesus lived to about 50 before He was crucified (2.22.4-6)."

3) In "Against Heresies" listing the doctrines of the main dissident sects of the day and contrasts them with the words of Scripture and the teachings of the Apostles, as preserved not only in sacred writings but by oral tradition in the churches which the Apostles founded. Above all, he cites the authoritative tradition of the Church of Rome, handed down from Peter and Paul through an unbroken succession of bishops."

Is it that one?

[Peter]

As far as I am aware, the only bible which existed at the time of Irenaeus (140-203 ad) was the Old Testament. So what biblical tradition was he supposedly drawing on to refute heresies?

[Peter]

Is this the same Irenaeus who only recognized 20 books of the New Testament?

[Peter]

Is this the same Irenaeus who did not consider Hebrews, James, Second Peter, Third John and Jude divinely inspired?

[Peter]

Ah, this must be the Irenaeus who lucidly saw the connection between the four corners of the earth (but it's round?????), the four winds and the four gospels.

I guess that's why they call it Divine Inspiration because I'm clearly haven't been inspired to see the connection.

[Sultan of Swing]

The Liberal Left and the Mass Media has for the last few years been systematically trying to change the way people look at Christianity. Warping the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles. Dan Browns Book and now the movie are by design, meant to shake your faith in Christianity. This Gospel of Judas is just the latest.

[dave hanson]

false gospal wrote:

THE GOSPAL OF JUDAS IS A
FALSE GOSPAL BASED ON MANY IDEOLOGIES WHICH WAS REJECTED BY CHRISTAINS THEN AND NOW.

IT IS A TOTALLY FALSE GOSPAL AND IS HERESY.

THE CHRISTAN FAITH IS NOT SHAKEN BY THIS BUT WILL BECOME EVEN STRONGER.

AGAIN THE DEMONS ARE AT WORK TO CREATE FRICTION.

why is it that people blame judas for christ death when he had no choose in the matter. If any one is in heaven at this time I'm sure that judas is. He did what jesus commanded that he was to do. If not for judas there might have not been christ's death.

[Nikos Batis-Kokkonas]

I think, as oppose to fearing and debating a questionable turn of events regarding established New Testament beliefs with this recent discovery of Judas' gospel, that Christians should in fact embrace the unshakenable "loyalty" concept as part of their identity. His showing of loyalty and devotion, despite the request to Judas to commit an unthinkable action in seeing his friend and teacher put to death, makes a far better lesson in life to teach our children... then to teach about betrayal. This display of loyalty, through "thick and thin", positively shows a true belief and worthy lesson in power of Jesus Christ.

[David]

The eternal unchanging one as it is written, constantly changes the rules and punishes. The book that contains this story has been on the best sellers list for many years. So who is making profit off of what, and would the eternal one allow this? The story being marketed is the one that says someone else is taking blame for your wrong doing, and that in itself would be a lie, no matter how noble. That you have been bought at a price! Who and why would the eternal one "have" to buy you??? That's so much of man's ways... If it offends you, find out why! Not what you've been programmed to believe. Narrow is the gate, and there are "FEW" who find it.

[buzybee]

It's supposed to be the greatest event that ever occurred for humanity, the torture and cruel death of Jesus, yet you condemn the vessel, named Judas, who was responsible for your hope and salvation. Why isn't Judas celebrated for his role in bringing about your salvation? If Judas had not betrayed Jesus what would you have? I thought that Judas should have been made a saint over 1500 years ago, he did so much for the cause of Christianity, why do you deny him and the gift he gave unto you?

[Steve in Vista]

Judas was a devil (a willingly demonically possessed enemy of God), Jesus said so in Jn:6:70:

70 (6-71) Jesus answered them: Have not I chosen you twelve? And one of you is a devil.(DRV)

Jesus said:
Jn:17:12:

12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept: and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition (Judas Iscariot): that the scripture may be fulfilled.(DRV)

St. Peter said:
Acts:1:

16 Men, brethren, the scripture must needs be fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who was the leader of them that apprehended Jesus:
17 Who was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 And he indeed hath possessed a field of the reward of iniquity, and being hanged, burst asunder in the midst: and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem: so that the same field was called in their tongue, Haceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms: Let their habitation become desolate, and let there be none to dwell therein. And his bishopric let another take.
25 To take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas hath by transgression fallen, that he might go to his own place.
(DRV)

St. Irenaeus, sub apostolic father of the Church, disciple of St. Polycarp who was a disciple of St. John the Apostle and Evangelist, said:

Anno Domini 180 IRENAEUS AGAINST HERESIES -- BOOK II CHAP. XX.--FUTILITY OF THE ARGUMENTS ADDUCED (by the Gnostic heretics)TO DEMONSTRATE THE SUFFERINGS OF THE TWELFTH AEON, FROM THE PARABLES, THE TREACHERY OF JUDAS, AND THE PASSION OF OUR SAVIOUR.
1. That they improperly and illogically apply both the parables and the actions of the Lord to their falsely-devised system, I prove as follows: They endeavour, for instance, to demonstrate that passion which, they say, happened in the case of the twelfth AEon, from this fact, that the passion of the Saviour was brought about by the twelfth apostle,
2. Then, again, as to their assertion that the passion of the twelfth AEon was proved through the conduct of Judas, how is it possible that Judas can be compared [with this AEon] as being an emblem of her--he who was expelled from the number of the twelve, and never restored to his place? For that AEon, whose type they declare Judas to be, after being separated from her Enthymesis, was restored or recalled [to her former position -- in the gnostic heresy]; but Judas was deprived [of his office], and cast out, while Matthias was ordained in his place, according to what is written, "And his bishopric let another take."(2) They ought therefore to maintain that the twelfth AEon was cast out of the Pleroma, and that another was produced, or sent forth to fill her place; if, that is to say, she is pointed at in Judas. Moreover, they tell us that it was the AEon herself who suffered, but Judas was the betrayer,[and not the sufferer.] Even they themselves acknowledge that it was the suffering Christ, and not Judas, who came to [the endurance of] passion. How, then, could Judas, the betrayer of Him who had to suffer for our salvation, be the type and image of that AEon who suffered?
3. But, in truth, the passion of Christ was neither similar to the passion of the AEon, nor did it take place in similar circumstances.

[Sultan of Swing]

Just like the devil to try and make one of his main followers into a hero.