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The pastor of a Millersport church has been charged with having sex with a teenage church member he was counseling during her parents' divorce.

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gokeefe

Galloway, OH

#594 Sep 24, 2010
Lolita Shih Tzu wrote:
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I don't know either "gokeefe" but it's amazing how these women (women!!) are circling the wagons around the perpetrator. Have they been brainwashed? Their blindness and deafness are scary. It makes me mad when a blind soul ask us to pray for the pastor...in what world do they live?
Honestly, I think they are in a different dimension!
A different dimension and a different planet! Ack. I truly hope that girl's mother got that child the heck out of dodge, because this is no environment for that child to heal. This is psychotic. This pastor is coming out to be a huge creep and the more I read, these women are becoming even creepier for their blind devotion to this guy and their will never be resolved as long as they maintain the denial. It's truly a sad way to live.
Dale

Mansfield, OH

#596 Sep 24, 2010
gokeefe wrote:
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A different dimension and a different planet! Ack. I truly hope that girl's mother got that child the heck out of dodge, because this is no environment for that child to heal. This is psychotic. This pastor is coming out to be a huge creep and the more I read, these women are becoming even creepier for their blind devotion to this guy and their will never be resolved as long as they maintain the denial. It's truly a sad way to live.
This is exactly one of the reasons why my daughter will never attend that Mt. Vernon church again.
hahaha

Lancaster, OH

#597 Sep 24, 2010
[the truth"] As far as standards and principles go, a Pastor is to be a shepherd and to set a fence that will not prevent someone from heaven. So to set the fence a little farther than what the biblical principle, is that wrong? To hold a higher standard for leadership in a church, is that wrong?
Are you kidding me? You need to read about the pharisees! Jesus HATED that very thing! Yes, it's wrong!!! You think you know better than God what is to be expected of us! You worship yourself! It's sickening!
They do not force anyone to not cut their hair, wear skirts, not wear make up, etc. That is someone's choice. If they through their relationship with God continue to develop a life holy unto him, begin to separate from the world things of that nature will happen. If anyone wants to be in a postion of leadership, much is required.
REALLY? "They do not force anyone to...." If you belong to one of their churches that don't beat you over the head with it, then most likely you belong to one that looks down on you for not following their "holy" standards and you will NEVER be used as a Sunday School teacher or anything else for that matter! You will sit...until you conform PERIOD! That is control, my friend! And this crap about "If they through their relationship with God continue to develop a life holy unto him, begin to seperate from the world..." that is nonsense! The UPCI needs to start concentrating on holy living that is actually Biblical. You know, like not stealing, not molesting, paying your taxes, being kind, the list goes on and on. Because I'm female and I wear pants, cut my hair and wear make up, I haven't "through my relationship with God continued to develop a life holy unto Him..." THIS is NOT how you will win anybody to Christ. Am I upset? You bet I am! It breaks my heart that you in the UPC focus on standards. You worship them. So so sad!
Unreal

Columbus, OH

#598 Sep 24, 2010
hahaha wrote:
The UPCI needs to start concentrating on holy living that is actually Biblical. You know, like not stealing, not molesting, paying your taxes, being kind, the list goes on and on. Because I'm female and I wear pants, cut my hair and wear make up, I haven't "through my relationship with God continued to develop a life holy unto Him..." THIS is NOT how you will win anybody to Christ. Am I upset? You bet I am! It breaks my heart that you in the UPC focus on standards. You worship them. So so sad!
That is the truth! and when one of their own commit a crime they bury their head in the sand and blame the victims...just like the First United Pentecostal Church of Parma did when The youth minister Joshua OBannion (pastor's grandson) raped 3 girls in Arizona and 2 in Ohio. He plead guilty but the pastor and his family called these YOUNG girls whores over the pulpit and would call him while in prison during a church service to talk to the congregation. A BUNCH OF SICK PEOPLE!!!!!! Oh and he was Monks good friend
UPC Church Clarification

Detroit, MI

#599 Sep 24, 2010
Truth Teller wrote:
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The only people that actually belong to the UPCI are ministers that pay dues to belong to it.

In reality the UPCI has no authority in a local church. The UPCI does not own the church building, pay the bills,etc. The local church members can tell the UPCI to leave. There is nothing the UPCI can legally do to stop them.

Each time the UPCI claims in court that they have nothing to do with that local congregation. The UPCI will gladly take their money, then hang the local congregation out to dry when it suits their purpose.
There is a need to correct a couple statements made above.

UPC ministers are not the only ones who are considered members of the UPC. I believe since their inception, they consider as members those who are members of their affiliated churches.(There are affiliated and non-affiliated UPC churches- both are UPC.) This is written in their General Constitution as follows:(Article II of the General Constitution, titled 'Membership' states, "Membership in the United Pentecostal Church International shall consist of all ministers and missionaries holding an accredited credential or license, and all members
of local assemblies which are affiliated with us, and shall be called "Organization."

So if anyone attends an affiliated UPC church & is a member there, the UPC considers them members of the organization. They don't have any voting rights as ministers do.

The UPC does have authority in the affiliated churches.(Anyone who has a UPC church directory- these churches are noted with an asterisk.) Affiliation is a voluntary matter but once a church is affiliated they just cannot up and leave the organization. I do believe that any church that receives money from the organization, like a home missions church, must be affiliated. These churches cannot just walk away from the organization.

For an affiliated church to leave, they would have to first vote to disaffiliate from the UPC. They do this at a duly called business meeting of church members and someone from the District Board must be present to present their side. Then the church members would vote on it.

While a church is affiliated, they must be pastored by a UPC licensed minister. A District Board can step in with these churches and has.

However, for the most part the churches are autonomous in how they are run. And this is what you refer to when the UPC is mentioned in lawsuits. They will say each church is autonomous.

Monk's church was not affiliated. the Mount Vernon one is.

There is a lot of information about the UPC at http://www.spiritualabuse.org - beliefs, position papers, judicial procedure, articles of faith (old & new) & more.
Saddend

United States

#600 Sep 24, 2010
Matthew 18
The Greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven
1At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"
2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! 8If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
So? Should Monk have his Penis cut off? I would say YES without any doubt.It offended a child.
hahaha

Lancaster, OH

#601 Sep 24, 2010
I would just like to say that I was once in the UPCI and I know that when I was, I was very defensive when anybody would try to say the very things that I've been saying in the previous posts.
My eyes have been opened and I am so thankful! Once you are set free from this cult you will ask yourself this question:

HOW WAS I SO BLIND?

Yes, I am a Christian. And I'm learning, for the first time, what that truly means. It is an exciting time for me. So completely different than I had been living the last 40 years!!!

I would just ask those of you who belong to this organization to honestly read the Bible with an open heart. Seek God and He will lead you.
Dale

Mansfield, OH

#602 Sep 24, 2010
UPC Church Clarification wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a need to correct a couple statements made above.
UPC ministers are not the only ones who are considered members of the UPC. I believe since their inception, they consider as members those who are members of their affiliated churches.(There are affiliated and non-affiliated UPC churches- both are UPC.) This is written in their General Constitution as follows:(Article II of the General Constitution, titled 'Membership' states, "Membership in the United Pentecostal Church International shall consist of all ministers and missionaries holding an accredited credential or license, and all members
of local assemblies which are affiliated with us, and shall be called "Organization."
So if anyone attends an affiliated UPC church & is a member there, the UPC considers them members of the organization. They don't have any voting rights as ministers do.
The UPC does have authority in the affiliated churches.(Anyone who has a UPC church directory- these churches are noted with an asterisk.) Affiliation is a voluntary matter but once a church is affiliated they just cannot up and leave the organization. I do believe that any church that receives money from the organization, like a home missions church, must be affiliated. These churches cannot just walk away from the organization.
For an affiliated church to leave, they would have to first vote to disaffiliate from the UPC. They do this at a duly called business meeting of church members and someone from the District Board must be present to present their side. Then the church members would vote on it.
While a church is affiliated, they must be pastored by a UPC licensed minister. A District Board can step in with these churches and has.
However, for the most part the churches are autonomous in how they are run. And this is what you refer to when the UPC is mentioned in lawsuits. They will say each church is autonomous.
Monk's church was not affiliated. the Mount Vernon one is.
There is a lot of information about the UPC at http://www.spiritualabuse.org - beliefs, position papers, judicial procedure, articles of faith (old & new) & more.
This appears to be a lot of power over many people by a few. Where are the checks and balances? Who are the leaders accountable to?
Erin

Chicago, IL

#603 Sep 24, 2010
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I'll stand by what I said. You and Saddened need to read your Bibles more. A good place for you to start would be Matthew 15 and Matthew 23:23-29. By the way, what defines a "man of God"?
Whoa...who's "cherry picking" now?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#604 Sep 24, 2010
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
I can tell you what I'd do... and I'm MOM.
I'd first put daughter into a convent or send her out of state.
Then, I'd call the guy's wife, and do whatever I legally could to scare the bejesus out of him.
A 47 year old guy and a 16 year old girl is plain inappropriate. Period. No debates.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... here we go again. What's your real first name, or should I just call you Georgia?

I agree with EVERYTHING you say, but that's not the world we live in. Whereas, as a teenage boy I could fantasize about Miss Black, and usually nothing would ever happen, we now live in a world where something happens a lot more than people want it to.

So, I ask, in this era of sex ed, where girls are regularly sexting naked pictures of themselves and flirting over the internet, is this really as bad of a thing as it was 50 years ago? After all, this is what the liberals wanted. Did you read the link I posted, where European socialists considered adult-child relationships "progressive"?

Again, I agree with everything you say and I believe a traditional upbringing is the best. But that's not what we have anymore in numerous cases, and is it fair to prosecute adults once we've let the genie out of the bottle?

Again, just look at the stats .......... whether we are talking about any kind of abuse, most likely it is not a blood relative.
Disgusted

United States

#605 Sep 24, 2010
I know that monks church was started in the UPC camgroung mess hall until he was able to purchase a building. He was a UPC minister and his church was touted as being a UPC home missions church. He was allowed to address the youth at UPC camp as a UPC home missions church founder and he was listed as being on the "Steering Committee" on the cover of the UPC camp magazine. It seems he figured out how to really work the system and get what he wanted without risking anything if it is indeed true that "souls Harbor" in not a UPC church. Whats the deal with that? The standards thing must stop before it reaches the top?
UPC Church Clarification wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a need to correct a couple statements made above.
UPC ministers are not the only ones who are considered members of the UPC. I believe since their inception, they consider as members those who are members of their affiliated churches.(There are affiliated and non-affiliated UPC churches- both are UPC.) This is written in their General Constitution as follows:(Article II of the General Constitution, titled 'Membership' states, "Membership in the United Pentecostal Church International shall consist of all ministers and missionaries holding an accredited credential or license, and all members
of local assemblies which are affiliated with us, and shall be called "Organization."
So if anyone attends an affiliated UPC church & is a member there, the UPC considers them members of the organization. They don't have any voting rights as ministers do.
The UPC does have authority in the affiliated churches.(Anyone who has a UPC church directory- these churches are noted with an asterisk.) Affiliation is a voluntary matter but once a church is affiliated they just cannot up and leave the organization. I do believe that any church that receives money from the organization, like a home missions church, must be affiliated. These churches cannot just walk away from the organization.
For an affiliated church to leave, they would have to first vote to disaffiliate from the UPC. They do this at a duly called business meeting of church members and someone from the District Board must be present to present their side. Then the church members would vote on it.
While a church is affiliated, they must be pastored by a UPC licensed minister. A District Board can step in with these churches and has.
However, for the most part the churches are autonomous in how they are run. And this is what you refer to when the UPC is mentioned in lawsuits. They will say each church is autonomous.
Monk's church was not affiliated. the Mount Vernon one is.
There is a lot of information about the UPC at http://www.spiritualabuse.org - beliefs, position papers, judicial procedure, articles of faith (old & new) & more.
UPC Church Clarification

Detroit, MI

#606 Sep 24, 2010
[quote]This appears to be a lot of power over many people by a few. Where are the checks and balances? Who are the leaders accountable to?[/quote]

Sometimes there are checks and balances, but unfortunately in a number of their churches there are none. Some of the church boards are a farce and have no real power but are there for legalities (loans, etc.).

Even with their judicial procedure, the District Superintendent has the authority to get around it. Many UPC members aren't even aware of the judicial procedure the UPC has as it is part of the ministerial manual and unless you are a licensed UPC minister, the organization won't sell you a copy. Sometimes they can be found online for sale used.

But then there is the recent case involving Mark Fogarty in Georgia. Someone went to the District Board and pretty much got nowhere, so they took it to the courts. But very few of all those who have been harmed or wronged can or will take that route.

So- no- there are not proper checks and balances. IMO
UPC Church Clarification

Detroit, MI

#607 Sep 24, 2010
[quote]It seems he figured out how to really work the system and get what he wanted without risking anything if it is indeed true that "souls Harbor" in not a UPC church. Whats the deal with that? The standards thing must stop before it reaches the top?[/quote]

I did not say it wasn't a UPC church- it is. But it is not an affiliated one. There are two types of UPC churches: affiliated where it is a legal thing between the church and the organization and a non-affiliated one.

Being non-affiliated, the UPC doesn't have the potential control over that church. They could walk away from the organization tomorrow with no problems.
Dale

Mansfield, OH

#608 Sep 24, 2010
Erin wrote:
<quoted text>
Whoa...who's "cherry picking" now?
Just a place to start, never said to quit there. People need to understand that these leaders need to be held accountable for their actions. To many people rely on other fallable men to understand their Bible. They need to read it themselves.
Good Grief

Chicago, IL

#609 Sep 24, 2010
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Just a place to start, never said to quit there. People need to understand that these leaders need to be held accountable for their actions. To many people rely on other fallable men to understand their Bible. They need to read it themselves.
I'm pretty sure that's what I said...wait...no...I'm POSITIVE that that's what I said...

I think you just thrive on the argument...
Disgusted

United States

#610 Sep 24, 2010
Thank you for the clarification! You have seem to have more experience with them than I, but I have enough to know that there was a "back door". It still does not give a very good impresion of the org in my mind. I would think that someone with as specific detail oriented standards for members to follow would be more concise and "legalistic" concearning weather the church is or isn't a member of the church (club). And I thought the KJV Bible was confusing! I wonder how leadership has any time left for the sheep after jumping through all of the organizational hoops!
UPC Church Clarification wrote:
[quote]It seems he figured out how to really work the system and get what he wanted without risking anything if it is indeed true that "souls Harbor" in not a UPC church. Whats the deal with that? The standards thing must stop before it reaches the top?[/quote]
I did not say it wasn't a UPC church- it is. But it is not an affiliated one. There are two types of UPC churches: affiliated where it is a legal thing between the church and the organization and a non-affiliated one.
Being non-affiliated, the UPC doesn't have the potential control over that church. They could walk away from the organization tomorrow with no problems.
Dale

Mansfield, OH

#611 Sep 24, 2010
UPC Church Clarification wrote:
[quote]This appears to be a lot of power over many people by a few. Where are the checks and balances? Who are the leaders accountable to?[/quote]
Sometimes there are checks and balances, but unfortunately in a number of their churches there are none. Some of the church boards are a farce and have no real power but are there for legalities (loans, etc.).
Even with their judicial procedure, the District Superintendent has the authority to get around it. Many UPC members aren't even aware of the judicial procedure the UPC has as it is part of the ministerial manual and unless you are a licensed UPC minister, the organization won't sell you a copy. Sometimes they can be found online for sale used.
But then there is the recent case involving Mark Fogarty in Georgia. Someone went to the District Board and pretty much got nowhere, so they took it to the courts. But very few of all those who have been harmed or wronged can or will take that route.
So- no- there are not proper checks and balances. IMO
Christianity is not supposed to be a secret organization. I originally thought that this was a local problem. The more that I am learning, the more that I am realizing that this structure is very cult-like. The way that this is set up is just asking for abuse of power.
Dale

Mansfield, OH

#612 Sep 24, 2010
Good Grief wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty sure that's what I said...wait...no...I'm POSITIVE that that's what I said...
And your point is what?
UPC Church Clarification

Detroit, MI

#613 Sep 24, 2010
Dale wrote:
<quoted text> Christianity is not supposed to be a secret organization. I originally thought that this was a local problem.
No- not only a local problem. It goes all across the USA and outside our borders.

Concerning their manual, it is funny because to be licensed you have to read it (along with other books and the Bible, plus do a little preaching and appear before the District Board). But they cannot obtain one from the organization directly, but must go through their pastor.

The rules should be out in the open for all to see- like the rule pertaining to letters of transfer that some pastors don't wish to give. People need to educate themselves more and perhaps it would lessen some of the abuse.
Disgusted

United States

#614 Sep 24, 2010
I agree, but religion should not be so damned complicated! Religion should not be put between God and Mankind! It should not require an additional degree to understand the organizational rules!
UPC Church Clarification wrote:
<quoted text>
No- not only a local problem. It goes all across the USA and outside our borders.
Concerning their manual, it is funny because to be licensed you have to read it (along with other books and the Bible, plus do a little preaching and appear before the District Board). But they cannot obtain one from the organization directly, but must go through their pastor.
The rules should be out in the open for all to see- like the rule pertaining to letters of transfer that some pastors don't wish to give. People need to educate themselves more and perhaps it would lessen some of the abuse.

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