Blaming Israel for carnage

Blaming Israel for carnage

There are 121924 comments on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram story from Jul 22, 2006, titled Blaming Israel for carnage. In it, Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that:

Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.

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fearless cartooni

Hesperia, CA

#113600 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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Another antisemite. I suppose you would accept the word of a Jew if it supports what you want.
Actually you lie as there are plenty of names in my post and the links who are not Jewish including many from Europe. You obviously have not even checked but tried a cheap shot after I gave evidence negating the Khazar crap.
Go the land of milk and honey, may it live long and prosper.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113601 Jan 1, 2014
There is no mention of Palestine in the correspondence so you are being disingenuous. It was about Arab land not Palestine. There is disagreement on the promises made but this document has no legal basis anyways. It was actually the Jews who stood with the British through the war more than the Arabs of Palestine.
http://www.peaceforourtime.org.uk/page66.html

A: The mandate just stated that they could form a homeland in Palestine no mention was made of a state.It was a recomendation and was to be carried out not at the expense of the indigenous population and their rights. If the Jews stood with the British then why did they kill them by attacking the King David Hotel?

Israel allows Minarettes, Hijabs and refuses Jewish Prayer on the Temple Mount to appease the Muslims. How many European countries are causing their Muslim population problems?

A: It is still an ethnocracy as opposed to a democracy

The point I am trying to make is yes there is still discrimination as with the Ultra Orthodox but it is not a government policy and both sides are to blame. Arabs have affirmative action in University, they don't need to do national service, and there are plenty who succeed in all fields.
As with Blacks in America many come from low income families which makes it harder to break out. However, many do if they work hard.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/06/25/poll-maj...
a few stats in the article above portraying Arab hostility.

Also you make no mention of the fact that a large portion of the Arab community in Israel doesn't pay taxes but expect the benefits. At the same time when municipal workers enter these areas they are often attacked.

A: How can they pay taxes when they don't have jobs? I'm glad you acknowledge that it is a large proportion because that supports my claim that very few of them are employed

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113602 Jan 1, 2014
fearless cartooni wrote:
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no pathetic pious slag.. i saw tour pious name on the leader board... and couldnt help noticing your jew hatred... how are the kids... Oh wait.... never mind. your lord feels your not worthy of breeding... thankful

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You call posting the truth Jew hatred, I call it telling the truth and not glossing over what actually happened. Haven't you got something better to do like pissing on all Muslims and not just the Islamists?

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113603 Jan 1, 2014
fearless cartooni wrote:
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yes i cite the filthy scumbag who claims humans get sent to hell by pissing on the,... and all youer savage islamic scumbag friends how claim they pissed on jews..... unit arian.. and dipsh!t....
Go Helmet Heads in hell....

That's not all you do you denigrate anyone who believes in God

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113604 Jan 1, 2014
If anyone is wondering why "fearless cartooni" is not a registered user it is because he has been banned by topix for his filthy rants and I proudly state that I was one of the ones if not the only one who got him banned
Zioni

Israel

#113605 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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so can we only bring up the past which suits you?
Israelites were there first long before the Arab conquest.
Secondly you are being disingenuous again as the 'Palestine' Arabs of their own admission often originate came from the surrounding lands over the past few hundred years. So they are not indigenous to the land either especially as a nation.

Are you really trying to imply that the Palestine Arabs are the ancient Philistines?

The Arabs were given 99% of the region but its not enough for them. If Israel was not a Jewish state the Arabs wouldn't care who controlled it.

Israel continuously releases convicted terrorists in good will.
Israel left Gaza kicking 9,000 Jews out of their homes.
There are daily attacks on Jews throughout the WB and Jerusalem the government does nothing to stop this.
Arab Israeli leaders continuously incite hatred and violence towards Israel often working openly with the enemy. Israel allows this to continue when in the West they would be put on trial as traitors. The whole of Palestinian society is the same.
Jews can't pray on the Temple Mount as it may offend Muslims.
Israel portrays Abbas as a Moderate when he is no different to Arafat or Hamas leaders.
Palestinians are building illegally by the 10,000s and Israel does nothing about it.
The examples are infinite. Are you really so ignorant on the subject?

Can you name any other country in the world which would allow continuous missiles being fired at its civilians and daily attacks against its civilians on the roads without retaliation?
Any other country in the world would have wiped Gaza off the face of the earth.

There is no legal right to return maybe compensation. Israel was accepted into the UN before the refugees how could it have been a provision?
What about the 900,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab nations?

The majority of Arabs left without even seeing a Jew so your claim they were expelled is ridiculous. The Arab leaders themselves agree with me on this.
Its amazing how people supporting the Palestinians are so loyal to go so far as to ignore the words of the people they claim to be standing alongside. Arab leaders agreed that their people mostly left and weren't expelled. As for your refugee numbers they seem to have come from the sky. Even the UN gave lower figures which includes those who only arrived on the land 2 years prior to the war. You do realize that Palestinian refugees are the only ones who can pass their status onto their children and only had to reside on the land for two years to be considered a Palestine Arab.

So you support the destruction of Israel under the guise of peace? Do you even support a two state solution?

I don't need to ask myself anything. I think you need to ask yourself why you are trying to justify the centuries of oppression by the Arab/Muslim leaders against minorities in the region including Jews. Why you are trying to justify the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these lands even prior to 1949. Why you seem to blame the Jews for everything even when it clearly not their fault.
According to your logic noone told the Arabs to stay in Palestine when they could have gone to any part of the region often to lands where they came from in the first place.

Even in the 1800's there were massacres and many cases of intimidation against the Jewish population. I suppose the Hebron Massacre in 1929 was also the Jews fault? Maybe Israels even though it didn't exist yet.
What about the Arab riots throughout the first part of the 1930's.

You clearly ignore any history which doesn't suit you.

I suppose it the Jews fault that Muslims throughout the region are massacring and ethnically cleansing the Christians from the land.
I suppose its the Jews fault that Sunni countries and Shite countries are ethnically cleansing their opposing side throughout the region.
I suppose its the Jews fault that there are no rights for people in much of the region.
etc......
Zioni

Israel

#113607 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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In Australia time doesn't play a part and matters are still ongoing.
Are you now trying to split hair by saying the Middle East? They were expelled from Palestine so why bring the rest of the middle Eastern countries into the equation. They weren't living in other areas of the Middle East
In relation to the indigenous people of Australia are they all living in Australia or as they living in other countries in the Pacific area? Do you now see my point? What I am suggesting is that the Palestinians should be allowed to go back to the area that they were expelled from. The differences between the Palestinians and the indigenous people of Australia are that they are all living in Australia and the indigenous Australians are also being compensated and land is being returned to them as your own link has shown. What has Israel done to accommodate the Palestinians through compensation and the right of return.?
Firstly they weren't expelled from Palestine and most still live on the land once called Palestine today. You do also realize that a large portion of these people came from the surrounding lands in the first place. You should also realize that until last century there was no difference between Arabs from Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel.

Give any evidence that there is a right of return. Its a nice idea but no legal basis. Compensation is another matter.

As a goodwill gesture during the Lausanne negotiations in 1949, Israel offered to take back 100,000 Palestinian refugees prior to any discussion of the refugee question. The Arab states, who had refused even to negotiate face-to-face with the Israelis, turned down the offer because it implicitly recognized Israel's existence.

Despite this, on humanitarian grounds Israel has since the 1950's allowed more than 50,000 refugees to return to Israel under a family reunification program, and between 1967 and 1993 allowed a further 75,000 to return to the West Bank or Gaza. Since the beginning of the Oslo process Israel has allowed another 90,000 Palestinians to gain residence in PA-controlled territory.

Arabs who lost property in Israel are eligible to file for compensation from Israel's Custodian of Absentee Property. As of the end of 1993, a total of 14,692 claims had been filed, claims were settled with respect to more than 200,000 dunams of land, more than 10,000,000 NIS (New Israeli Shekels) had been paid in compensation, and more than 54,000 dunums of replacement land had been given in compensation. Israel has followed this generous policy despite the fact that not a single penny of compensation has ever been paid to any of the more than 500,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who were forced by the Arab governments to abandon their homes, businesses and savings.

- Alexander Safian, PhD, CAMERA (The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America)

There is no real comparison between the two cases. I wonder if you will ever claim that Israel has never compensated anyone.
Zioni

Israel

#113609 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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You have just asked the same question that I put out there re the Jews. You are stating that Abbas is a mass murderer and yet what were the Irgun, the Palmach and the Lehi in the 1940's Who was it that attacked the British if not Jewish terrorist groups?
I would ask you the same question how can you support a country that was built on terrorism, death, destruction and the stealing of others property that today continues to deny equality to the refugees and in most cases denies them the right to return
What I do realize is that the Israeli Arabs in Israel are discriminated against and that Israel calls herself a democracy when in fact what she actually is is an ethnocracy
As far as the Oslo accord goes I need to read up more on it before making a comment
Again you seem to be unable to differentiate between different groups.

The British started a war with the Jews by going against the Mandate, allowing and even assisting the Arabs in massacring Jews and giving the public land meant for Jewish settlement to new Arab immigrants.
The Irgun carried out terror acts although the only reason for its existence was due to Arab and British violence against Jews.
Palmach carried out terror against their own people.
Lehi included some crazies also.

So yes there were terror attacks carried out by people in these groups but it was not a Zionist policy as it is with the Palestinians.

YOU SEEM TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE VIOLENCE AND HATRED STARTED WITH THE ARABS FIRST.

Why do you continuously deflect from the issues.

The fact is that the whole of Palestinian society is built on hatred, incitement and calls for killing Jews. You are obviously unable to justify this so instead chose to ignore the issue altogether.

I never said I would have supported these groups back than. I am asking you now how you can support a nation whose basis for existence in their own founding text is to destroy Israel (not to create but to destroy) and their society encourages killing Jews.

I didn't say that they don't have a claim just nothing justifies the hatred in their society.
Zioni

Israel

#113610 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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As far as the Oslo accord goes I need to read up more on it before making a comment
Lets try again

As far as the peace process goes, how can that occur when Palestinians continue to attack Jews on a daily basis with rocks and firebombs, Jews can't enter 99% of Arab areas for fear for their life, Palestinian education system and its leaders both encourage violence against Jews, there are intentional murders by Palestinians on a regular basis, missiles are being fired at Israeli cities, Hamas and Fatah are not united apart from their extermination agenda, There have been no elections for years, all Palestinians documentation is incitement to violence or hatred.

Abbas said not one Jew would be allowed to reside in Palestine.

Palestinian lebanese Amb stated that even with a state the Pal 'refugees' in the WB and Gaza will not be given citizenship as they will be used as a tool to finish Israel off.

Palestinian leader said this year if they had a nuke they would use it on Israel.

and that is just scratching the surface.

They deny Jewish history on the land, call Jewish building a cancer, and ask for more every-time they are given what they asked for originally.
Abbas is a mass murderer who was involved in the Munich Massacre amongst other terror attacks and admitted live on tv that he sends terrorists to kill Jews.
Can you name anything peaceful the Palestinians have ever done?
How can you support a society which calls to kill Jews, Christians, oppresses Homosexuals, no freedom of speech, glorifies terrorism, and so on.
You do realize that the large majority of Palestinians are under Palestinian rule and live in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Most of the Oslo Accord has been fulfilled by Israel what part of it have the Palestinians followed?

So the Palestinian leaders admit they would nuke Israel if they could.
No Jews allowed.
Refugees will not be allowed citizenship.
Never accept Israel as a Jewish state.
and the peace process is just a mirage used to destroy Israel in the end.

All these things are free for all to see online in articles and videos from the horses mouth.

If you are unable to justify these actions and comments than don't just admit you support some an evil society and especially leadership.

How are you so sure that the Palestinians were not offered enough when you can't even comment on the Oslo Accord.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113611 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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Israelites were there first long before the Arab conquest.
Secondly you are being disingenuous again as the 'Palestine' Arabs of their own admission often originate came from the surrounding lands over the past few hundred years. So they are not indigenous to the land either especially as a nation.
Are you really trying to imply that the Palestine Arabs are the ancient Philistines?
A: No I am not. The Philistine were a Mediterranean type peoplet Historians have stated that the Canaanites and the Nabateans were an Arabic people and they were living in that area long before the Israelites.
The Arabs were given 99% of the region but its not enough for them. If Israel was not a Jewish state the Arabs wouldn't care who controlled it.
99% of what land?
Israel continuously releases convicted terrorists in good will.
A: The didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts as has been shown by the comments of the Jews themselves they are looking at expanding in the occupied territories
Israel left Gaza kicking 9,000 Jews out of their homes.
A: If they hadn't have been there there would have been no need to kick them out
There are daily attacks on Jews throughout the WB and Jerusalem the government does nothing to stop this.
A: I agree but Israel is not innocent in their attacks on the Palestinians either
To be continued

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113612 Jan 1, 2014
Arab Israeli leaders continuously incite hatred and violence towards Israel often working openly with the enemy. Israel allows this to continue when in the West they would be put on trial as traitors. The whole of Palestinian society is the same.

A: I have noticed that same hatred here for anyone who dares to challenge how the Jews perceive things
Jews can't pray on the Temple Mount as it may offend Muslims.
A: This I disagree with it is a holy city for three faiths and all should be allowed to pray there
Israel portrays Abbas as a Moderate when he is no different to Arafat or Hamas leaders.
Palestinians are building illegally by the 10,000s and Israel does nothing about it.

A: Where are they building illegally?

The examples are infinite. Are you really so ignorant on the subject?

A: I don't need your derogatory comments to draw me closer to how you think

Can you name any other country in the world which would allow continuous missiles being fired at its civilians and daily attacks against its civilians on the roads without retaliation?

A: I would disagree Israel is constantly attacking as can be seen on the news channels
Any other country in the world would have wiped Gaza off the face of the earth.
There is no legal right to return maybe compensation. Israel was accepted into the UN before the refugees how could it have been a provision?

A: 11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible
What about the 900,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab nations?

A: I agree they left due to the retaliation of the Arabs to what was done to the Arabs in Palestine
The majority of Arabs left without even seeing a Jew so your claim they were expelled is ridiculous. The Arab leaders themselves agree with me on this

A: Prove it because I have documentation which states otherwise.

Its amazing how people supporting the Palestinians are so loyal to go so far as to ignore the words of the people they claim to be standing alongside. Arab leaders agreed that their people mostly left and weren't expelled. As for your refugee numbers they seem to have come from the sky.

To be continued

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113613 Jan 1, 2014
A: Like I said provide evidence to disprove what I have stated from an independent source

Even the UN gave lower figures which includes those who only arrived on the land 2 years prior to the war. You do realize that Palestinian refugees are the only ones who can pass their status onto their children and only had to reside on the land for two years to be considered a Palestine Arab.

A: If they had been living there then they still would have had their children but I agree there needs to be a cut off point

So you support the destruction of Israel under the guise of peace? Do you even support a two state solution?

A:I don't support the destruction of Israel. I support either a two state solution where Israel doesn't decide if the Palestinians can or cannot have armed forces to protect themselves. Also if the borders go back to pre 1967. If this is not possible then the only alternative is a one state solution which in my opinion would not work

I don't need to ask myself anything. I think you need to ask yourself why you are trying to justify the centuries of oppression by the Arab/Muslim leaders against minorities in the region including Jews. Why you are trying to justify the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these lands even prior to 1949. Why you seem to blame the Jews for everything even when it clearly not their fault.

A: I am providing the other side of the story. There are always two sides and I don't believe that the Palestine side has been adequately heard by lay people who are not involved in either side

According to your logic noone told the Arabs to stay in Palestine when they could have gone to any part of the region often to lands where they came from in the first place.

A: They were already living in the areas that were stolen by the Jews

Even in the 1800's there were massacres and many cases of intimidation against the Jewish population. I suppose the Hebron Massacre in 1929 was also the Jews fault? Maybe Israels even though it didn't exist yet.
What about the Arab riots throughout the first part of the 1930's.

A: They were initiated in response to the overwhelming immigration of Jews into the area

You clearly ignore any history which doesn't suit you.
A: It has nothing to do with my I am an observer to both sides
I suppose it the Jews fault that Muslims throughout the region are massacring and ethnically cleansing the Christians from the land.

A: You said that not me
I suppose its the Jews fault that Sunni countries and Shite countries are ethnically cleansing their opposing side throughout the region.

A: No I beleive that America and Britain have had a hand in that trying to destabilize the Middle East for their own profit

I suppose its the Jews fault that there are no rights for people in much of the region.
etc......

A: You sure no how to play the victim card seems you've been at it for quite a while

An NFL Fan

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#113614 Jan 1, 2014
samuellandluck wrote:
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Jewish heritage .... and we all know what that is.
What DOES that mean, sleepless little racist?

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113615 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets try again
As far as the peace process goes, how can that occur when Palestinians continue to attack Jews on a daily basis with rocks and firebombs, Jews can't enter 99% of Arab areas for fear for their life, Palestinian education system and its leaders both encourage violence against Jews, there are intentional murders by Palestinians on a regular basis, missiles are being fired at Israeli cities, Hamas and Fatah are not united apart from their extermination agenda, There have been no elections for years, all Palestinians documentation is incitement to violence or hatred.
Abbas said not one Jew would be allowed to reside in Palestine.
Palestinian lebanese Amb stated that even with a state the Pal 'refugees' in the WB and Gaza will not be given citizenship as they will be used as a tool to finish Israel off.
Palestinian leader said this year if they had a nuke they would use it on Israel.
and that is just scratching the surface.
They deny Jewish history on the land, call Jewish building a cancer, and ask for more every-time they are given what they asked for originally.
Abbas is a mass murderer who was involved in the Munich Massacre amongst other terror attacks and admitted live on tv that he sends terrorists to kill Jews.
Can you name anything peaceful the Palestinians have ever done?
How can you support a society which calls to kill Jews, Christians, oppresses Homosexuals, no freedom of speech, glorifies terrorism, and so on.
You do realize that the large majority of Palestinians are under Palestinian rule and live in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Most of the Oslo Accord has been fulfilled by Israel what part of it have the Palestinians followed?
So the Palestinian leaders admit they would nuke Israel if they could.
No Jews allowed.
Refugees will not be allowed citizenship.
Never accept Israel as a Jewish state.
and the peace process is just a mirage used to destroy Israel in the end.
All these things are free for all to see online in articles and videos from the horses mouth.
If you are unable to justify these actions and comments than don't just admit you support some an evil society and especially leadership.
How are you so sure that the Palestinians were not offered enough when you can't even comment on the Oslo Accord

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I don't have time to answer your other two posts at the moment as my husband and I are traveling full time around Australia and will be moving in the next two days onto our next destination. We don't always have internet access. If possible I will try to get back later. I mention this as I don't want you to think that I am ignoring you and the rest of your posts
George

Red Deer, Canada

#113616 Jan 1, 2014
An NFL Fan wrote:
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What DOES that mean, sleepless little racist?
I don't think he has any meaning in what he says, he just tries to say words that he hopes will offend someone of the Jewish faith, very childish
Zioni

Israel

#113617 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Firstly you would have to first prove that the Arabs actually helped the British in WWII.
The link I posted includes dozens of quotes from leaders and others at the time. It is clear that the Arab influence claimed so often is false. You have not proven it true yet.

Again you claim a reaction by the Arabs when it was them who started in the first place. Its like talking to a wall.

Give any evidence that it was the Jews who started the violence? If you can't prove this than its not true.

Again blaming Jews for being oppressed in the land they had lived in for thousands of years. According to your logic the Arab conquest of the land was the Jews problem and if they wanted to be free from Dhimmi law they could leave.
Is this not similar to the Arabs in Palestine who can leave if they want or accept the consequences of their actions (at least in this case the Arabs went to war and lost, oppression under Islam had no justification).

Lets say Australia immigration leads to a Muslim majority who impose Dhimmi laws. Are you really going to accept that or leave the country?

The territories are not occupied and if you can find any legal basis for the green line being a border go ahead. Another example of someone attacking Israel with total BS.

Everyone is discriminated against in Israel and yes it is sometimes Arabs. According to your logic about Dhimmi Jews they can leave if they don't like it.

This is becoming a joke. If you were really interested in this subject you would investigate instead of your continuously false allegations. You can find non-Jews in all parts of Israel society, on the Supreme Court, Government, Leading companies, Hospitals, and so on. My local bus driver is an Arab FFS, I sit next to Arabs on the bus on a regular basis and live on the same street as Arabs. I work with Arabs, chill with Arabs, and have even dated an Arab once. The fact is that you and others have been brainwashed to believe some false reality when it comes to facts on the ground.
There are minorities throughout the West who are oppressed more than Israeli Arabs, and these Arabs have more rights than anywhere else in the region.

I speak of Arabs as one because until the 1960''s the Palestinians and the Arabs were one. The PLO was created to destroy Israel by making a new nation who would have a right to the land. Since Arabs were given everything else already.
Also a little tit-bit. The Arab nations mostly became independent only years before Israel was created so they didn't have much time to ethnically cleanse the Jews until then.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#113618 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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Firstly they weren't expelled from Palestine and most still live on the land once called Palestine today. You do also realize that a large portion of these people came from the surrounding lands in the first place. You should also realize that until last century there was no difference between Arabs from Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel.

A: They were expelled from their own lands and homes then if that more specific for you. You means just like the Jews who arrived in Palestine came from many lands and had never been born or lived in the area?

Give any evidence that there is a right of return. Its a nice idea but no legal basis. Compensation is another matter.

A: I thought I already had. When you give me evidence that Israel is not illegally occupying lands that she shouldn't be

As a goodwill gesture during the Lausanne negotiations in 1949, Israel offered to take back 100,000 Palestinian refugees prior to any discussion of the refugee question. The Arab states, who had refused even to negotiate face-to-face with the Israelis, turned down the offer because it implicitly recognized Israel's existence.

A:I'm glad you stated back. Why would they not accept all the Palestinians back from whence they were dispossessed ? I think we all know the reason for that

Despite this, on humanitarian grounds Israel has since the 1950's allowed more than 50,000 refugees to return to Israel under a family reunification program, and between 1967 and 1993 allowed a further 75,000 to return to the West Bank or Gaza. Since the beginning of the Oslo process Israel has allowed another 90,000 Palestinians to gain residence in PA-controlled territory.

A: A token gesture again. How kind that they allow them to return to their own homes

Arabs who lost property in Israel are eligible to file for compensation from Israel's Custodian of Absentee Property. As of the end of 1993, a total of 14,692 claims had been filed, claims were settled with respect to more than 200,000 dunams of land, more than 10,000,000 NIS (New Israeli Shekels) had been paid in compensation, and more than 54,000 dunums of replacement land had been given in compensation. Israel has followed this generous policy despite the fact that not a single penny of compensation has ever been paid to any of the more than 500,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who were forced by the Arab governments to abandon their homes, businesses and savings.

A: Hopefully more will will take up that offer but for the ones that just want to go home what about them ????
- Alexander Safian, PhD, CAMERA (The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America)

There is no real comparison between the two cases. I wonder if you will ever claim that Israel has never compensated anyone.

A: Why would you wonder that? What I wonder is why did Israel never apologize for her actions?

An NFL Fan

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#113619 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Firstly they weren't expelled from Palestine and most still live on the land once called o any discussion of the refugee question. The Arab states, who had refused even to negotiate face-to-face with the Israelis, turned down the offer because it implicitly recognized Israel's allow them to return to their own homes

anyone.
A: Why would you wonder that? What I wonder is why did Israel never apologize for her actions?
Why do you write without quotes as if it's your own?
Zioni

Israel

#113620 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
There is no mention of Palestine in the correspondence so you are being disingenuous. It was about Arab land not Palestine. There is disagreement on the promises made but this document has no legal basis anyways. It was actually the Jews who stood with the British through the war more than the Arabs of Palestine.
http://www.peaceforourtime.org.uk/page66.html
A: The mandate just stated that they could form a homeland in Palestine no mention was made of a state.It was a recomendation and was to be carried out not at the expense of the indigenous population and their rights. If the Jews stood with the British then why did they kill them by attacking the King David Hotel?
Israel allows Minarettes, Hijabs and refuses Jewish Prayer on the Temple Mount to appease the Muslims. How many European countries are causing their Muslim population problems?
A: It is still an ethnocracy as opposed to a democracy
The point I am trying to make is yes there is still discrimination as with the Ultra Orthodox but it is not a government policy and both sides are to blame. Arabs have affirmative action in University, they don't need to do national service, and there are plenty who succeed in all fields.
As with Blacks in America many come from low income families which makes it harder to break out. However, many do if they work hard.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/06/25/poll-maj...
a few stats in the article above portraying Arab hostility.
Also you make no mention of the fact that a large portion of the Arab community in Israel doesn't pay taxes but expect the benefits. At the same time when municipal workers enter these areas they are often attacked.
A: How can they pay taxes when they don't have jobs? I'm glad you acknowledge that it is a large proportion because that supports my claim that very few of them are employed
Again ignoring History. The fact is that Mandates were written to create states. You can be unhappy about this but it is clear from the Palestine Mandate that while the local population would be given Religious and Civil rights, no mention is made of political rights.
The British worked with the Jewish institutions being enacted for the sole purpose of creating a state.

The Mandate was not a recommendation but a legally binding document. It is very clear on the rights of the lands inhabitants. Religious and Civil rights, there is no mention of political rights unlike for Jews in the document and Arabs in the other Mandates.

The Jews stood with the British in WWI stop twisting what I say. By the 1940's the British had allowed dozens of massacres against Jews sometimes even joining in. They had been restricting Jewish immigration from the early 1920's, and cutting up the land to leave nothing for the Jews. They turned Jews back to Nazi Europe to die and so on.

If citizens have the same rights its a democracy.

The ones who have jobs don't pay taxes, nice try though again trying to to deflect any blame on the Arabs. Many Arabs CHOOSE not to work.

Fewer are legally employed and many have taken advantage of the Child aid to get enough welfare to live. You do realize that most Israeli citizens are struggling financially at the moment.

Not sure why everyone brings up King David. It was a military installation so a viable target, and they were pre-warned but chose to ignore it.

Are you like many Westerners who holds Arabs to a different standard because they are considered lesser beings. The whole appeasement of Arabs by the Free world is racism in itself.
Zioni

Israel

#113621 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Israelites were there first long before the Arab conquest.
Secondly you are being disingenuous again as the 'Palestine' Arabs of their own admission often originate came from the surrounding lands over the past few hundred years. So they are not indigenous to the land either especially as a nation.
Are you really trying to imply that the Palestine Arabs are the ancient Philistines?
A: No I am not. The Philistine were a Mediterranean type peoplet Historians have stated that the Canaanites and the Nabateans were an Arabic people and they were living in that area long before the Israelites.
The Arabs were given 99% of the region but its not enough for them. If Israel was not a Jewish state the Arabs wouldn't care who controlled it.
99% of what land?
Israel continuously releases convicted terrorists in good will.
A: The didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts as has been shown by the comments of the Jews themselves they are looking at expanding in the occupied territories
Israel left Gaza kicking 9,000 Jews out of their homes.
A: If they hadn't have been there there would have been no need to kick them out
There are daily attacks on Jews throughout the WB and Jerusalem the government does nothing to stop this.
A: I agree but Israel is not innocent in their attacks on the Palestinians either
To be continued
Historians also claim the ancient Jews were the people who lived on the land and converted to a one god religion.
I am talking facts here.
I thought Arabs came from Arabia during the Islamic conquest?

There is no intention of expansion in the WB just extensions to the already built towns, inside their borders.

So you are now denying the right of Jews to live in Gaza even if they owned the property?
You do realize that Jews lived continuously in Gaza for hundreds of years until 1948 when they were ethnically cleansed.

So on one hand you blame the Arab Jews who were expelled from their own lands, you deny a Jew the right to live in the West Bank or Gaza even if they own the property and even land where Jews were ethnically cleansed from in the 1940's.
On the other hand you stand with the Palestine Arabs where 70% left without seeing a Jewish soldier, the Dhimmi rule in Muslim lands.
Hypocrite much?

There is no government policy in Israel to attack Palestinian civilians. The Palestinian society from their leaders, songs, schools, camps, books, mosques akk encourage violence against Israeli civilians. While there are daily attacks on Jews by Palestinians how often can you claim the same against Jews?

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