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#113619 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Firstly they weren't expelled from Palestine and most still live on the land once called o any discussion of the refugee question. The Arab states, who had refused even to negotiate face-to-face with the Israelis, turned down the offer because it implicitly recognized Israel's allow them to return to their own homes

anyone.
A: Why would you wonder that? What I wonder is why did Israel never apologize for her actions?
Why do you write without quotes as if it's your own?
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113620 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
There is no mention of Palestine in the correspondence so you are being disingenuous. It was about Arab land not Palestine. There is disagreement on the promises made but this document has no legal basis anyways. It was actually the Jews who stood with the British through the war more than the Arabs of Palestine.
http://www.peaceforourtime.org.uk/page66.html
A: The mandate just stated that they could form a homeland in Palestine no mention was made of a state.It was a recomendation and was to be carried out not at the expense of the indigenous population and their rights. If the Jews stood with the British then why did they kill them by attacking the King David Hotel?
Israel allows Minarettes, Hijabs and refuses Jewish Prayer on the Temple Mount to appease the Muslims. How many European countries are causing their Muslim population problems?
A: It is still an ethnocracy as opposed to a democracy
The point I am trying to make is yes there is still discrimination as with the Ultra Orthodox but it is not a government policy and both sides are to blame. Arabs have affirmative action in University, they don't need to do national service, and there are plenty who succeed in all fields.
As with Blacks in America many come from low income families which makes it harder to break out. However, many do if they work hard.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/06/25/poll-maj...
a few stats in the article above portraying Arab hostility.
Also you make no mention of the fact that a large portion of the Arab community in Israel doesn't pay taxes but expect the benefits. At the same time when municipal workers enter these areas they are often attacked.
A: How can they pay taxes when they don't have jobs? I'm glad you acknowledge that it is a large proportion because that supports my claim that very few of them are employed
Again ignoring History. The fact is that Mandates were written to create states. You can be unhappy about this but it is clear from the Palestine Mandate that while the local population would be given Religious and Civil rights, no mention is made of political rights.
The British worked with the Jewish institutions being enacted for the sole purpose of creating a state.

The Mandate was not a recommendation but a legally binding document. It is very clear on the rights of the lands inhabitants. Religious and Civil rights, there is no mention of political rights unlike for Jews in the document and Arabs in the other Mandates.

The Jews stood with the British in WWI stop twisting what I say. By the 1940's the British had allowed dozens of massacres against Jews sometimes even joining in. They had been restricting Jewish immigration from the early 1920's, and cutting up the land to leave nothing for the Jews. They turned Jews back to Nazi Europe to die and so on.

If citizens have the same rights its a democracy.

The ones who have jobs don't pay taxes, nice try though again trying to to deflect any blame on the Arabs. Many Arabs CHOOSE not to work.

Fewer are legally employed and many have taken advantage of the Child aid to get enough welfare to live. You do realize that most Israeli citizens are struggling financially at the moment.

Not sure why everyone brings up King David. It was a military installation so a viable target, and they were pre-warned but chose to ignore it.

Are you like many Westerners who holds Arabs to a different standard because they are considered lesser beings. The whole appeasement of Arabs by the Free world is racism in itself.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113621 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Israelites were there first long before the Arab conquest.
Secondly you are being disingenuous again as the 'Palestine' Arabs of their own admission often originate came from the surrounding lands over the past few hundred years. So they are not indigenous to the land either especially as a nation.
Are you really trying to imply that the Palestine Arabs are the ancient Philistines?
A: No I am not. The Philistine were a Mediterranean type peoplet Historians have stated that the Canaanites and the Nabateans were an Arabic people and they were living in that area long before the Israelites.
The Arabs were given 99% of the region but its not enough for them. If Israel was not a Jewish state the Arabs wouldn't care who controlled it.
99% of what land?
Israel continuously releases convicted terrorists in good will.
A: The didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts as has been shown by the comments of the Jews themselves they are looking at expanding in the occupied territories
Israel left Gaza kicking 9,000 Jews out of their homes.
A: If they hadn't have been there there would have been no need to kick them out
There are daily attacks on Jews throughout the WB and Jerusalem the government does nothing to stop this.
A: I agree but Israel is not innocent in their attacks on the Palestinians either
To be continued
Historians also claim the ancient Jews were the people who lived on the land and converted to a one god religion.
I am talking facts here.
I thought Arabs came from Arabia during the Islamic conquest?

There is no intention of expansion in the WB just extensions to the already built towns, inside their borders.

So you are now denying the right of Jews to live in Gaza even if they owned the property?
You do realize that Jews lived continuously in Gaza for hundreds of years until 1948 when they were ethnically cleansed.

So on one hand you blame the Arab Jews who were expelled from their own lands, you deny a Jew the right to live in the West Bank or Gaza even if they own the property and even land where Jews were ethnically cleansed from in the 1940's.
On the other hand you stand with the Palestine Arabs where 70% left without seeing a Jewish soldier, the Dhimmi rule in Muslim lands.
Hypocrite much?

There is no government policy in Israel to attack Palestinian civilians. The Palestinian society from their leaders, songs, schools, camps, books, mosques akk encourage violence against Israeli civilians. While there are daily attacks on Jews by Palestinians how often can you claim the same against Jews?
George

Red Deer, Canada

#113622 Jan 1, 2014
A: Why would you wonder that? What I wonder is why did Israel never apologize for her actions?

Why in the world would Israel apologize? They are there for many reasons, whether the land was negotiated, purchased, lost to them in a conflict or was theirs to begin with, the results are the same and no apology is necessary, it is history prior to today, no more no less.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113623 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
Arab Israeli leaders continuously incite hatred and violence towards Israel often working openly with the enemy. Israel allows this to continue when in the West they would be put on trial as traitors. The whole of Palestinian society is the same.
A: I have noticed that same hatred here for anyone who dares to challenge how the Jews perceive things..
Palestinians are building illegally by the 10,000s and Israel does nothing about it.
A: Where are they building illegally?...
Can you name any other country in the world which would allow continuous missiles being fired at its civilians and daily attacks against its civilians on the roads without retaliation?
A: I would disagree Israel is constantly attacking as can be seen on the news channels
Any other country in the world would have wiped Gaza off the face of the earth.
There is no legal right to return maybe compensation. Israel was accepted into the UN before the refugees how could it have been a provision?
A: 11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible
What about the 900,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab nations?

Its amazing how people supporting the Palestinians are so loyal to go so far as to ignore the words of the people they claim to be standing alongside. Arab leaders agreed that their people mostly left and weren't expelled. As for your refugee numbers they seem to have come from the sky.
To be continued
You are clearly have no interest in rights for Jews or any minority in the region. You seem more interested in the Palestinians and support for Muslim oppression. Very sad.

Again it seems to be a Jewish issue for you and not an Israeli issue.
and Again can you name any democracy where elected officials can call for the destruction of the country, work with the enemy (Hamas) which calls to kill Jews and wipe out the country, and not be put on trial?????

Jews are targeted throughout the West so not sure how you can claim they are protected. Although it seems things are better for Jews in Australia.

How Jews perceive things???? What are you going on about.

Palestinians and Israeli Arabs are building illegally throughout WB, Jerusalem and numerous other parts of the country. Beduins are building whole towns illegally in the Negev, Arabs in the Galilee.

You seem to be in denial about Israels appeasement of the enemy in ways no country in the history of the world has ever done.

Name one time Israel has intentionally targeted civilians. What you read in the news if often crap but this wouldn't bother you it seems. The MSM and HR orgs take any story they can find to blame Israel for everything. Just this month Israel was blamed for the Gaza floods, a fake story was created about a dam. This was reported by various media and orgs and is totally mythical.

Al-Durah, Jenin Massacre and fake funerals, pallywood prove that the Palestinians continuously create false realities which the world buys into no questions asked.

Firstly that Res you quote makes no mention of Palestinians, nor is it a legal document. Nice try again. Learn international law. Notice the live in peace issue. If you can introduce me to Palestinians who are willing to live in peace and accept Israel as the Jewish state they are welcome.
So show me the documentation which "proves otherwise". You made the claim.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113624 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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A:I don't support the destruction of Israel. I support either a two state solution where Israel doesn't decide if the Palestinians can or cannot have armed forces to protect themselves. Also if the borders go back to pre 1967. If this is not possible then the only alternative is a one state solution which in my opinion would not work
I don't need to ask myself anything. I think you need to ask yourself why you are trying to justify the centuries of oppression by the Arab/Muslim leaders against minorities in the region including Jews. Why you are trying to justify the ethnic cleansing of Jews from these lands even prior to 1949. Why you seem to blame the Jews for everything even when it clearly not their fault.
A: I am providing the other side of the story. There are always two sides and I don't believe that the Palestine side has been adequately heard by lay people who are not involved in either side
According to your logic noone told the Arabs to stay in Palestine when they could have gone to any part of the region often to lands where they came from in the first place.
A: They were already living in the areas that were stolen by the Jews
Even in the 1800's there were massacres and many cases of intimidation against the Jewish population. I suppose the Hebron Massacre in 1929 was also the Jews fault? Maybe Israels even though it didn't exist yet.
What about the Arab riots throughout the first part of the 1930's.
A: They were initiated in response to the overwhelming immigration of Jews into the area
You clearly ignore any history which doesn't suit you.
A: It has nothing to do with my I am an observer to both sides
I suppose it the Jews fault that Muslims throughout the region are massacring and ethnically cleansing the Christians from the land.
A: You said that not me
I suppose its the Jews fault that Sunni countries and Shite countries are ethnically cleansing their opposing side throughout the region.
A: No I beleive that America and Britain have had a hand in that trying to destabilize the Middle East for their own profit
I suppose its the Jews fault that there are no rights for people in much of the region.
etc......
A: You sure no how to play the victim card seems you've been at it for quite a while
So you only support the Arab peace plan. I suppose your two states includes the right of return.
The reason for the Palestinians not having an army is the fact that they use all military power given to them to attack Israeli civilians. When they grow up and act like human beings they can have an army. Although not sure why they would need one if there is peace.

It is a myth that there is always two sides to the story. Some things support one side and some the other. Just like saying there are no facts.

The Palestinians side is every day throughout the media. The fact that no media can acknowledge Israelis stance that it is legally allowed to build in the West Bank says it all. Calling Abbas moderate, calling Hamas militants or freedom fighters, trying to justify massacres against Jewish civilians, and so on.

Can you name any major media which doesn't claim the West Bank as Palestinian territory?

What land was stolen by Jews? Jews bought the land they resided on pre-1949 for small fortunes. Give any evidence that the majority of the land was privately owned?

So you blame the Jews for the massacre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Safed_pogro...
From each post its clearer and clearer you have created your own reality on the conflict to try to justify the Arab and Muslim apartheid and evil.
There were also numerous massacres in the centuries preceding modern Zionism interesting how you will probably try to blame Jews for this also.

So you do blame the Jews for everything. There is no way you are a Christian when you are so apathetic to their suffering in the region under Palestinian and Arab rule.

Do you ever hold Muslims or Arabs accountable for their own actions?
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113625 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Firstly they weren't expelled from Palestine and most still live on the land once called Palestine today. You do also realize that a large portion of these people came from the surrounding lands in the first place. You should also realize that until last century there was no difference between Arabs from Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel.
A: They were expelled from their own lands and homes then if that more specific for you. You means just like the Jews who arrived in Palestine came from many lands and had never been born or lived in the area?
Give any evidence that there is a right of return. Its a nice idea but no legal basis. Compensation is another matter.
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As a goodwill gesture during the Lausanne negotiations in 1949, Israel offered to take back 100,000 Palestinian refugees prior to any discussion of the refugee question. The Arab states, who had refused even to negotiate face-to-face with the Israelis, turned down the offer because it implicitly recognized Israel's existence.
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Despite this, on humanitarian grounds Israel has since the 1950's allowed more than 50,000 refugees to return to Israel under a family reunification program, and between 1967 and 1993 allowed a further 75,000 to return to the West Bank or Gaza. Since the beginning of the Oslo process Israel has allowed another 90,000 Palestinians to gain residence in PA-controlled territory.
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Arabs who lost property in Israel are eligible to file for compensation from Israel's Custodian of Absentee Property. As of the end of 1993, a total of 14,692 claims had been filed, claims were settled with respect to more than 200,000 dunams of land, more than 10,000,000 NIS (New Israeli Shekels) had been paid in compensation, and more than 54,000 dunums of replacement land had been given in compensation. Israel has followed this generous policy despite the fact that not a single penny of compensation has ever been paid to any of the more than 500,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who were forced by the Arab governments to abandon their homes, businesses and savings.
They were not expelled from the other lands but chose to move to Palestine for mostly economic reasons especially after the Jews began to return in numbers.

So you can't give any evidence of right of return or did you just realize that the document you quotes was a General Assembly recommendation.

Again you haven't proven that the Palestinians have a legal claim to the land so until you do there is no occupation of anothers territory. The pure fact that there are negotiations proves that Israel has a claim to the land.

I just posted opinions from Eugene Rostow who helped write Res 242 the basis for Oslo Accord and Justice Stone who is one of the foremost experts in international law. They both state clearly that the settlements are not illegal.

Notice how it states "prior to any discussion of the refugee question". There was just a war where Jews were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank most of Jerusalem and Gaza by the local population. The two groups had fought for years are you so naive to believe it was as simple as saying welcome back?

What about the Jews who want to return home you seem to not be bothered about this.
Out of the refugees most did not own the property they lived on by rented it. So it wasn't theres in the first place.

I assume from the above you support Jewish property from Sheik Jarah and other neighborhoods in Jerusalem to be given back to the real owners??
Or do you support the Palestinians who were given the land illegally by the UNWRA and Jordan when they had no right to give away private Jewish land.
Remember it works both ways.

So you support the right of return which clearly means the end of Israel as a Jewish state.
and you try to portray yourself as objective.

The Arabs tried to carry out genocide on the Jews and lost. Amazing how you think they are always in the right.

So no denial of some compensation?
Gray

Richmond, VA

#113626 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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“Diary of an Israeli Shill”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/12/diary...

“How the Masters of the Universe Infect the Internet”
“I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet.“

CONFESSIONS OF A HASBARAT:
“My task?“To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic.
“That’s OK,” she said.“You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”
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“This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting.
“These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things.
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“It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for xxx, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges).“Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me.
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“A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done
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“I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.” CONTINUED

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If anyone thinks that "Zioni" is anything other than a paid, full time, scripted "Shill for Shekels", I've got a nice little Nazi Colony for Sale in Palestine.

"Let's count the Lies"

CONTINUED
Gray

Richmond, VA

#113629 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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EDITED OUT; ALL BUT ONE LIE

Name one time Israel has intentionally targeted civilians...
So who is more credible:

1. An anonymous, proven liar & Hasbara Shill

OR

The entire staff of researchers photographers, Israeli arms dealers etc etc documenting the following genocidal travesty by which the Zionist entity Exterminates innocent Human Beings for "Marketing" purposes.

“The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population
http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/551-washi...

EXCERPT “The Lab,” which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars, is due to premiere in the U.S. in August.

Directed by Yotam Feldman, the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.

The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.

The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

These military operations, including the most recent against Gaza, last year’s Pillar of Cloud, the film argues, serve as little more than laboratory-style experiments to evaluate and refine the effectiveness of new military approaches, both strategies and weaponry.

Gaza, in particular, has become the shop window for Israel’s military industries, allowing them to develop and market systems for long-term surveillance, control and subjugation of an “enemy” population.

Given that most Palestinians are now tightly contained in urban settings, traditional policies designed to maintain a distinction between civilians and fighters have had to be erased.

Amiram Levin, former head of the Israeli army’s northern command in the 1990s and now an arms dealer, is filmed at an arms industry conference observing that Israel’s goal in the territories is punishment of the local population to create greater “room for maneuver.”

Considering the effects, he comments that most Palestinians “were born to die—we just have to help them.”CONTINUED

Killing human beings for marketing purposes exceeds the lowest level of ruthless depravity alleged by "the Nazis" however our busy little Hasbarat denies the Genocide proven by countless more ethical jurists, international Organizations, entities and individuals who ARE willing to use their own names.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113630 Jan 1, 2014
Gray wrote:
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If anyone thinks that "Zioni" is anything other than a paid, full time, scripted "Shill for Shekels", I've got a nice little Nazi Colony for Sale in Palestine.
"Let's count the Lies"
CONTINUED
It is clear from anyone here that you are unable to refute things so you even pretend you posts are coming from others as you have done with me above.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#113631 Jan 1, 2014
Gray wrote:
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So who is more credible:
1. An anonymous, proven liar & Hasbara Shill
OR
Killing human beings for marketing purposes exceeds the lowest level of ruthless depravity alleged by "the Nazis" however our busy little Hasbarat denies the Genocide proven by countless more ethical jurists, international Organizations, entities and individuals who ARE willing to use their own names.
How am I a proven liar, no wonder you consider what you post proof.

Firstly you took my post out of context as people like you usually do. I was speaking to intentional targeting of civilians as the Palestinians do throughout the WB and Jerusalem on a daily basis.
Secondly you have given no examples of anything above just a random article.
Never denied the Palestinians population suffer from their leaderships terrorism.

What happened to your reply on Justice Stone and Eugene Rostow. Funny how one of the people you tried to use to back up your claim of illegal was Justice Stone who disagrees with you and considers the settlements legal.
What happened to your reply on the genetic crap you posted?
I gave you studies, names all disagreeing with Elhaik, even showed you that he was raising funds online for a Khasar study. This alone takes away his credibility as he clearly had an agenda and reached a conclusion before begining the study.
Gray

Richmond, VA

#113632 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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What about the Jews who want to return home you seem to not be bothered about this.

EDITED OUT; ONE LIE & ONE HYPOCRISY

The Arabs tried to carry out genocide on the Jews and lost. Amazing how you think they are always in the right.
So no denial of some compensation?
1. "What about the Jews who want to return home you seem to not be bothered about this"

The modern day Israelis have no more connection to "Israel" than the Eskimos.
Today's "Israelis" are from Brooklyn, Spain, Poland, Khazaria etc....NOT the Levant

Today's Palestinians have always inhabited the Levant. A Jewish geneticist has proven that today's Palestinians are directly related to the Canaanites/Jesubites

Only the Sephardic Jews are "Semites", constitute a persecuted minority of Israel and related to Levantine Arabs.

Brooklnynite Murderers do not deserve the Land of Native neo-Canaanite Residents

“Johns Hopkins Genome Study of Jewish Origins”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/03/johns...

EXCERPTS “ On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down.
“But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.”

“How could those those eminent Jewish scientist before him have been so wrong? Easy says Dr. Elhaik,“First these researchers decided what conclusions they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it.” I was not bashing Jewish scientists. What Elhaik has described is a slam dunk fraud.

“But why? Why would Jews who take such pride in the academic achievement risk exposing themselves to a group deception which was bound to be discovered later? Dr. Elhaik does not delve into the quicksand of the politics,” CONTINUED

LUDICROUS HYPOCRISY
2." The Arabs tried to carry out genocide on the Jews and lost. Amazing how you think they are always in the right."

First, the NATIVE Arabs were only defending themselves from the Invading Zionist Terrorist Gangs cited above (previous post)

Germany's Nazis claimed the same thing that:

"The Jews tried to carry out genocide on the German people " via Judea's declaration of War on Germany 1933 and subsequent, worldwide boycott producing widespread Starvation.

So anonymous "zoni", are you claiming that Europeans were justified in "defending" themselves against Jews trying to carry out genocide on the German people as today's Zionists are justified in Exterminating today's native non Jews.

More of "Zioni's lies debunked later.
Gray

Richmond, VA

#113633 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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It is clear from anyone here that you are unable to refute things so you even pretend you posts are coming from others as you have done with me above.
I'll be glad to share the Facts of Israel's US Funded Multi Billion Dollar, sophisticated, international Propaganda Industry later....

......I'm not getting paid, full time.......you know

Since: Jun 12

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#113634 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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Again you seem to be unable to differentiate between different groups.
The British started a war with the Jews by going against the Mandate, allowing and even assisting the Arabs in massacring Jews and giving the public land meant for Jewish settlement to new Arab immigrants.

A: You seem to keep changing your tune. One minute the Jews are helping the British and the next you are blaming them by going against the mandate. Where is your evidence that the British went against the mandate. They had no right to give away any of the land. It was a trusteeship

The Irgun carried out terror acts although the only reason for its existence was due to Arab and British violence against Jews.

A: It seems in your view that everyone is against the Jews even the British who suggested that a homeland be made for the Jews in Israel

Palmach carried out terror against their own people.
Lehi included some crazies also

A: So that is all you have to say about these terrorists and what they did to the Palestinians that they were some crazies
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So yes there were terror attacks carried out by people in these groups but it was not a Zionist policy as it is with the Palestinians.

A: If you think that the people in government didn't know what was going on then you are in denial

YOU SEEM TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE VIOLENCE AND HATRED STARTED WITH THE ARABS FIRST.

Only when they started coming into Palestine in great numbers

Why do you continuously deflect from the issues.

A: I don't deflect from the issues you're the one who seems to do that

The fact is that the whole of Palestinian society is built on hatred, incitement and calls for killing Jews. You are obviously unable to justify this so instead chose to ignore the issue altogether.

A: In my opinion Israel was built on hate, incitement for calls to kill or dispossess the Palestinians of their property and lands so nothing seems to change

I never said I would have supported these groups back than. I am asking you now how you can support a nation whose basis for existence in their own founding text is to destroy Israel (not to create but to destroy) and their society encourages killing Jews.

A: What I support is the people's right to fairness and it appears all other avenues have been tried. If those groups that you may not have supported Israel would not be here today

I didn't say that they don't have a claim just nothing justifies the hatred in their society.

A: I agree nothing justifies hate in any society

Since: Jun 12

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#113635 Jan 1, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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Firstly you would have to first prove that the Arabs actually helped the British in WWII.
A: It was WW1 actually
"To the student of war, the whole Arab campaign provides a remarkable illustration of the extraordinary results which can be achieved by mobile guerilla tactics. For the Arabs detained tens of thousands of regular Turkish troops with a force barely capable of engaging a brigade of infantry in a pitched battle."
General Glubb, he was the General who trained the Arab legion between 1939-1956
http://www.amazon.com/Glubb-Pasha-Biography-L...
Lawrence accompanied the Arab delegation to the Versailles Peace Conference where they fully expected their reward for helping the Allies in the war - full independence
.http://www.historylearningsit e.co.uk/lawrence_of_arabia.htm

The link I posted includes dozens of quotes from leaders and others at the time. It is clear that the Arab influence claimed so often is false. You have not proven it true yet.

A: I have provided a link to dispute what you say
Again you claim a reaction by the Arabs when it was them who started in the first place. Its like talking to a wall
A: That's how I feel when I post to you your mind is already closed
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Give any evidence that it was the Jews who started the violence? If you can't prove this than its not true.

A: http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-polic...
The aim of the [Jewish National] Fund was ‘to redeem the land of Palestine as the inalienable possession of the Jewish people.’...As early as 1891, Zionist leader Ahad Ha’am wrote that the Arabs “understood very well what we were doing and what we were aiming at’...[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated]‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly’...At various locations in northern Palestine Arab farmers refused to move from land the Fund purchased from absentee owners, and the Turkish authorities, at the Fund’s request, evicted them...The indigenous Jews of Palestine also reacted negatively to Zionism. They did not see the need for a Jewish state in Palestine and did not want to exacerbate relations with the Arabs.” John Quigley,“Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice.”
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin...
So it would appear that the Arabs knew exactly what the Jews were up to

to be continued

Since: Jun 12

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#113636 Jan 1, 2014
Again blaming Jews for being oppressed in the land they had lived in for thousands of years.
A: If they had been oppressed for 1000's of years as you claim why did they stay and not leave like the Palestinians were forced to.

According to your logic the Arab conquest of the land was the Jews problem and if they wanted to be free from Dhimmi law they could leave.
Is this not similar to the Arabs in Palestine who can leave if they want or accept the consequences of their actions (at least in this case the Arabs went to war and lost, oppression under Islam had no justification).
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A: No you are saying that they were there for 1000's of years and what I am saying is that only nutters would stay if they were constantly being attacked and victimized
Lets say Australia immigration leads to a Muslim majority who impose Dhimmi laws. Are you really going to accept that or leave the country?

A: I will be the first one out the door!!!!!!!

The territories are not occupied and if you can find any legal basis for the green line being a border go ahead. Another example of someone attacking Israel with total BS.

A: That's not what the UN security council and the General Assembly think
Everyone is discriminated against in Israel and yes it is sometimes Arabs. According to your logic about Dhimmi Jews they can leave if they don't like it.

A: It is only a joke because you choose to make it one
This is becoming a joke. If you were really interested in this subject you would investigate instead of your continuously false allegations. You can find non-Jews in all parts of Israel society, on the Supreme Court, Government, Leading companies, Hospitals, and so on. My local bus driver is an Arab FFS, I sit next to Arabs on the bus on a regular basis and live on the same street as Arabs. I work with Arabs, chill with Arabs, and have even dated an Arab once. The fact is that you and others have been brainwashed to believe some false reality when it comes to facts on the ground.

A: So what those things happen in a normal democracy. Israel is not that though is she??

There are minorities throughout the West who are oppressed more than Israeli Arabs, and these Arabs have more rights than anywhere else in the region.

A: Again so that makes it OK ?
I speak of Arabs as one because until the 1960''s the Palestinians and the Arabs were one. The PLO was created to destroy Israel by making a new nation who would have a right to the land. Since Arabs were given everything else already.
A: The land wasn't Israel's either. It was owned and inhabited by the Canaanites etc way before it was owned by Israelites
Also a little tit-bit. The Arab nations mostly became independent only years before Israel was created so they didn't have much time to ethnically cleanse the Jews until then

A: Maybe that was because there was no need for independence prior to interlopers invading their lands.

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#113637 Jan 1, 2014
An NFL Fan wrote:
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Why do you write without quotes as if it's your own?
Why don't you contribute something other that off the cuff remarks that have very little to do with the topic at hand? I always leave a link in relation to what I am posting or write it is an excerpt and give the link for the excerpt so I don't know what you mean
fearless cartooni

Santa Monica, CA

#113638 Jan 1, 2014
samuellandluck wrote:
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You have know idea about 'life' or 'prosperity' Ratty,..
I have KNOW idea....???

Ok,then, dumb fcuk i get beat up by london jews daily ...

hey, judging by your poor skills, maybe theyre tering to beat some commensence into your perverted jew hating pious ass... you filthy degenerate.... Allah akablah... salami..

oh, and Go IDF.... and merry crispness palishitian terrorist sh!t hole....

and guess what fcuk face... im not a jew... but a jew loving athiest ex New York wop.... badda fcuking bing, religious douchebag... and that goes for your stupid jew hatin moll, Sheilaa.
fearless cartooni

Santa Monica, CA

#113639 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Why don't you contribute something other that off the cuff remarks that have very little to do with the topic at hand? I always leave a link in relation to what I am posting or write it is an excerpt and give the link for the excerpt so I don't know what you mean
hahaha all of a sudden, topic is relevant... Oh wait.. this is the jew hating thread, my bad... pathetic pious unit-arian,,, dipsh!t....

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#113640 Jan 1, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Why don't you contribute something other that off the cuff remarks that have very little to do with the topic at hand? I always leave a link in relation to what I am posting or write it is an excerpt and give the link for the excerpt so I don't know what you mean
Excerpts? You just now pasted an entire article from a web site.
Unlike you, I'd rather use my mind than copy/paste then claim it for my own thoughts.

What a pompous snore.

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