Supreme Court resolves gun ownership ...

Supreme Court resolves gun ownership cas...

There are 48 comments on the New Jersey Online story from Dec 24, 2008, titled Supreme Court resolves gun ownership cas.... In it, New Jersey Online reports that:

A Millburn man who surrendered his right to purchase firearms after he and his ex-wife filed domestic violence complaints and sought restraining orders against each other 11 years ago can have that right ...

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GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#1 Dec 24, 2008
TROs are so egregiously misused that I almost feel they should be abandoned altogether. The only time anyone should lose their 2nd Amendment rights is if they have a history of violence and making threats. To use them as a normal part of divorce proceedings just to mess with one side or the other (usually the husband) is wrong and lawyers should be sanctioned for using TROs capriciously.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#2 Dec 25, 2008
GPM wrote:
TROs are so egregiously misused that I almost feel they should be abandoned altogether. The only time anyone should lose their 2nd Amendment rights is if they have a history of violence and making threats. To use them as a normal part of divorce proceedings just to mess with one side or the other (usually the husband) is wrong and lawyers should be sanctioned for using TROs capriciously.
According to me: NO ONE should ever lose ~any~ right whilst they are allowed to be free to wander about and take care of themselves.

If someone is considered ~so dangerous~ as to think it proper to remove their ability to defend themselves, then they should be locked away from the rest of us.

GunShowOnTheNet

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#4 Dec 25, 2008
Also, one has to wonder why what's good for the goose, isn't good for the gander:

"Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population. A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24%, indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 times more common among police families than American families in general."

- "Police Family Violence Fact Sheet", National Center for Women and Policing
http://www.womenandpolicing.org/violenceFS.as...

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#5 Dec 25, 2008
Yea. Cops would be best if they ignored gun control laws; they are all unconstitutional and immoral.

And no person should have his guns taken away if he slaps his wife on her butt, or if she slaps him on his head.

Illinois has the domestic battery conviction, Indiana has the cop conviction. If you ignore police orders you loose your conceal/carry permit (or commit ANY offense against a cop.) There is too much protection for govt employees. The govt is our masters.

Always good posts by GunShow, thanks.

GunShowOnTheNet

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#6 Dec 25, 2008
Tory II wrote:
Yea. Cops would be best if they ignored gun control laws; they are all unconstitutional and immoral.
And no person should have his guns taken away if he slaps his wife on her butt, or if she slaps him on his head.
Illinois has the domestic battery conviction, Indiana has the cop conviction. If you ignore police orders you loose your conceal/carry permit (or commit ANY offense against a cop.) There is too much protection for govt employees. The govt is our masters.
Always good posts by GunShow, thanks.
You are more than welcome my fellow patriot, and thank you as well.

“Veritas vincit. Truth Conquers”

Since: Mar 07

Nunquam redono. Never give up

#7 Dec 25, 2008
Tory II wrote:
Yea. Cops would be best if they ignored gun control laws; they are all unconstitutional and immoral.
And no person should have his guns taken away if he slaps his wife on her butt, or if she slaps him on his head.
Illinois has the domestic battery conviction, Indiana has the cop conviction. If you ignore police orders you loose your conceal/carry permit (or commit ANY offense against a cop.) There is too much protection for govt employees. The govt is our masters.
Always good posts by GunShow, thanks.
Ironically, I have a friend that is in prison for attempted suicide and for resisting arrest.
Long story short his family became concerned that he would kill himself and called the police. When they arrived, he had a gun they told him to drop it and he told the shoot. They did not and he jumped in his car and fled. The police pursued somewhere in the chase the police did fire upon him so he returned fire.

The DA tried to convict him on all types of charges in the end the charge of unlawful use of a firearm was dropped do to self-defense. He did not fire until fired upon. He still has to do time but not because of the use of a gun. He received 18 months.

Thought you might find it somewhat interesting.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#8 Dec 25, 2008
feedup wrote:
<quoted text>
Ironically, I have a friend that is in prison for attempted suicide and for resisting arrest.
Long story short his family became concerned that he would kill himself and called the police. When they arrived, he had a gun they told him to drop it and he told the shoot. They did not and he jumped in his car and fled. The police pursued somewhere in the chase the police did fire upon him so he returned fire.
The DA tried to convict him on all types of charges in the end the charge of unlawful use of a firearm was dropped do to self-defense. He did not fire until fired upon. He still has to do time but not because of the use of a gun. He received 18 months.
Thought you might find it somewhat interesting.
So, he was arrested, tried, and convicted for a 'thought crime'?

“Veritas vincit. Truth Conquers”

Since: Mar 07

Nunquam redono. Never give up

#9 Dec 25, 2008
Highlander wrote:
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So, he was arrested, tried, and convicted for a 'thought crime'?
Pretty much.
They did get him on assault/ battery charges, resisting arrest, endangerment, and a few others that I cannot remember. It could have been worse any other judge or jury could have given him attempted murder.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#10 Dec 25, 2008
feedup wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty much.
They did get him on assault/ battery charges, resisting arrest, endangerment, and a few others that I cannot remember. It could have been worse any other judge or jury could have given him attempted murder.
I am 'dumbfounded.'

Had he been allowed to carryout his intentions, not a thing would have resulted, other than his own death.

Yet, at the hands of the 'well intentioned' state, he —along with everyone else— is now worse off, than priorly.

I find myself without words to describe this.

In situations such at that, I might only say just this: If one's actions did not ameliorate, then all they did was excoriate.

“Veritas vincit. Truth Conquers”

Since: Mar 07

Nunquam redono. Never give up

#11 Dec 25, 2008
Highlander wrote:
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I am 'dumbfounded.'
Had he been allowed to carryout his intentions, not a thing would have resulted, other than his own death.
Yet, at the hands of the 'well intentioned' state, he —along with everyone else— is now worse off, than priorly.
I find myself without words to describe this.
In situations such at that, I might only say just this: If one's actions did not ameliorate, then all they did was excoriate.
Yes if no one had called the law and left him to, his own he may or may not have committed suicide.
If not he would have apparently concluded that his life is worth living and if not he would have been dead.

Either way he would not have been put in jail and the authorities would not have spent the taxpayer’s money. I think he would have come to his senses and went home a tried to find help. All he would have been doing wrong would have been torturing himself. He did not go out looking to harm anyone but himself.

Moreover, yes I would think that he did feel that he was being attacked.

It is a strange world we live in. peculiar to the point of fascination.
Julie

Topeka, KS

#12 Dec 25, 2008
feedup wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty much.
They did get him on assault/ battery charges, resisting arrest, endangerment, and a few others that I cannot remember. It could have been worse any other judge or jury could have given him attempted murder.
He was arrested because once he walked out of that house branishing a weapon in front of law enforcement, he then fled, and the law (shit) was on. He should blame his big mouth relatives. He evaded the police. He resisted arrest. He did everything they said he did. Can you get attempted murder on yourself? They could have thrown that on him, attempted murder towards the cops...(since he jepordized their lifes in the pursuit) he should have blown his own brains out. Fact is, he doesn't want to die. He needs help, he will not get it in prison. This will follow him forever.

“Veritas vincit. Truth Conquers”

Since: Mar 07

Nunquam redono. Never give up

#13 Dec 25, 2008
Julie wrote:
<quoted text>
He was arrested because once he walked out of that house branishing a weapon in front of law enforcement, he then fled, and the law (shit) was on. He should blame his big mouth relatives. He evaded the police. He resisted arrest. He did everything they said he did. Can you get attempted murder on yourself? They could have thrown that on him, attempted murder towards the cops...(since he jepordized their lifes in the pursuit) he should have blown his own brains out. Fact is, he doesn't want to die. He needs help, he will not get it in prison. This will follow him forever.
Yes, it will be his burden. He does not deny any thing he did he is remorseful for what he did.

The courts almost went after his doctor that prescribed medications that did contribute to his actions.

He did not brinish the weapon under the law, he did have the weapon on him but not in any aggressive manner. The state allows for open carry and concealed. The weapon became involved when “YES” he did not drop it when asked, and when the officer shot at him. He did not deny anything.
Robt

Camarillo, CA

#14 Dec 25, 2008
Julie wrote:
<quoted text>
He was arrested because once he walked out of that house branishing a weapon in front of law enforcement, he then fled, and the law (shit) was on. He should blame his big mouth relatives. He evaded the police. He resisted arrest. He did everything they said he did. Can you get attempted murder on yourself? They could have thrown that on him, attempted murder towards the cops...(since he jepordized their lifes in the pursuit) he should have blown his own brains out. Fact is, he doesn't want to die. He needs help, he will not get it in prison. This will follow him forever.
The law actually says you can be taken into custody if you are a danger to yourself and or the community. In most cases the person will be hospitalized in a secure location until a hearing is heard to determine his mental condition and either released in 72 hrs or committed for 14 day periods unless convicted in which case the person could due time if they decide he was not mentally ill or had diminished capacity while committing the act.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#15 Dec 25, 2008
Govt is our worst enemy. Make govt your servant, not your master.
foo

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Dec 26, 2008
Of course the government won't let you kill yourself. They need all the taxpayers they can get. If you kill yourself then in their minds you are robbing them, and they can't let that happen.

What have we let this country turn into? Why have we given up so much power?
Law

Omaha, NE

#18 Dec 26, 2008
LennyParamour wrote:
Too many guns. A good example is the Eartha Kitt death. Shot down on a Route 22 skating rink by a man who wore a Santa outfit then burned the place down. He shot her down. HE SHOT HER DOWNNNNN!!!!!!
What does Eartha Kitt's colon cancer have to do with guns?

GPM

“DILLIGAF?”

Since: Aug 08

San Antonio, TX

#19 Dec 26, 2008
Highlander wrote:
<quoted text>
According to me: NO ONE should ever lose ~any~ right whilst they are allowed to be free to wander about and take care of themselves.
If someone is considered ~so dangerous~ as to think it proper to remove their ability to defend themselves, then they should be locked away from the rest of us.
You're right. I spoke without thinking. Precrime penalties are not constitutional.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#20 Dec 26, 2008
LennyParamour wrote:
Too many guns. A good example is the Eartha Kitt death. Shot down on a Route 22 skating rink by a man who wore a Santa outfit then burned the place down. He shot her down. HE SHOT HER DOWNNNNN!!!!!!
Not enough guns in the Eartha Kitt home (that's why he shot her down).

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#21 Dec 26, 2008
foo wrote:
Of course the government won't let you kill yourself. They need all the taxpayers they can get. If you kill yourself then in their minds you are robbing them, and they can't let that happen.

:-)

What have we let this country turn into? Why have we given up so much power?
One side want's a paternalistic welfare state. The other side wants a U.S. Roman empire. To obtain them they need an oversized bullying govt that can't be stopped by either side.

“Tu ne cede malis”

Since: Dec 06

Lots of different places

#22 Dec 27, 2008
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>
One side want's a paternalistic welfare state. The other side wants a U.S. Roman empire. To obtain them they need an oversized bullying govt that can't be stopped by either side.
Appearances, Tory, appearances.

They are the one an the same. Both the left and right are the same political party. They have have been since the 1920's.

Take due and careful note how over the decades they've drifted so close together that you can't really them apart.

LOOK CLOSELY: You'll see the same face.

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