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Letters to the editor, May 22, 2010 - The Park Record

There are 59 comments on the Park Record story from May 22, 2010, titled Letters to the editor, May 22, 2010 - The Park Record. In it, Park Record reports that:

Having the honor to serve as a Republican delegate to this year's convention, I was shocked to see what is happening in the political environment.

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clyde

South Jordan, UT

#1 May 22, 2010
Robert, robert, robert perhaps you forget that 51% of my taxes go to educating children that I don't have in the Schools. I wish I could have a tax break for not burdening the school system with yet another Utah child. Now let's talk about taxes, have you watched how much money Arizona has lost with their idiotic SB 1070? Why don't you move there? Please.
David A

West Jordan, UT

#2 May 22, 2010
clyde wrote:
Robert, robert, robert perhaps you forget that 51% of my taxes go to educating children that I don't have in the Schools. I wish I could have a tax break for not burdening the school system with yet another Utah child. Now let's talk about taxes, have you watched how much money Arizona has lost with their idiotic SB 1070? Why don't you move there? Please.
Clyde, clyde, clyde, I know you will never forgive us for how we treated your parents (by that, I assume you mean allowing them to come into our country even though they were illegal, providing health care, educating their kids for free (like you), and raising their standard of living beyond anything they could have imagined), however you seem to be a little simple-minded.

you really think at the end of the day that arizona is going to lose money by simply enacting legislation that enforces national law?

i think you underestimate what is happening...just ask Bob Bennett and Arlen Specter. The tide is turning...I know it doesn't fit your agenda, but it is happening. Utah will probably have the same law on its books within the year, as will many other states that are currently in the process of introducing the legislation.

What we really should be focusing on are the human rights abuses committed by the Mexican Government on a daily basis against south americans that illegally enter Mexico. They are raped, shot, tortured, dismembered and never heard from again. Mexico should have international sanctions placed against it for it racist and brutal immigration policies.

Last - who do you think is taking the brunt of the 'boycotts' in AZ?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/21/ar...
David A

West Jordan, UT

#3 May 22, 2010
clyde

South Jordan, UT

#4 May 22, 2010
Racist I have some bad news for you, My parents are Latino, I speak Spanish, English oh, and I vote
Skeeter

Salt Lake City, UT

#5 May 22, 2010
you go clyde....
go for that racist card...yea...that shuts'em up everytime.
I can tell, you are the racist.
My parents are white. I speak english, spanish, french and cantonese and I vote too. So what's your point goober?
David A

West Jordan, UT

#6 May 22, 2010
clyde wrote:
Racist I have some bad news for you, My parents are Latino, I speak Spanish, English oh, and I vote
Racist ingrate, I have some equally bad news for you. Based on your post above, you should probably say that you are conversant in English, not that you speak it.

And by the way - you are welcome. If nothing else, it is great to see that my wonderful country was good enough to take you in, educate you (though you obviously need to spend more time in grammar classes), create a circumstance that allowed your parents to make a living and that ultimately allowed you to VOTE.

That is why is is particularly curious why you are such a racist, angry, bigot...after all we gave you, it still apparently isn't/wasn't enough. So go on, keep hating us evil nortenos...we will keep providing for you and will make sure you can speak your mind.

you are the poster child for why socialism doesn't work...if you don't have to earn something, you don't appreciate it. you think that it is a right and take it for granted.
one to grow on

West Jordan, UT

#7 May 22, 2010
here are some racist facts for you:

1.$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.


Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer...



2.$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.H...


3.$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.H...


4.$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/0...

5.$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/0...

6.$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/060...

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cn n. com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01 .HTML cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML%3E ;

8.$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt...

9.$200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%20PTS/...

10. The illegal aliens in the United States ha ve a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .

Verify at: http://transcripts.cn n./.com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ld t..01.HTML

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www./.rense.com/general 75/niht.htm
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14..'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'


Verify at: http:// ; www.drdsk.com/articleshtml %20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml


The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THECITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.
Clyde

Kamas, UT

#8 May 22, 2010
What a crock. Nothing like immigration to bring out the lunatics. Jan Brewer just signed $250k to form a committee to "re brand" Arizona since she signed the bill on SB 1070, last I checked the republic they had lost 40 conventions. I pay to educate your chldren. Over half of my taxes go to provide education for the masses of children born in this state, and they aint Mexican. And get your facts from something other than people who just make them up. You lil Nazi's always seem to forget the billions of unpaid Social Security dollars now don't ya. Now you get off your rear end and go to McDonalds or any other biz in Park City and see who is waiting on you. Now, you go get your lawyer and take on the businesses that hire them. No, that just never seems do happen now does it. There is a job waiting for you at EA Miller removing the intestines from dead cows. Your gonna be great!
Clyde

Kamas, UT

#9 May 22, 2010
And please save yourself the time with the cut and paste junk, I don't read anything from "Numbers USA" or FAIR because when they don't know it, they make it up.)
David A

West Jordan, UT

#10 May 22, 2010
Clyde wrote:
What a crock. Nothing like immigration to bring out the lunatics. Jan Brewer just signed $250k to form a committee to "re brand" Arizona since she signed the bill on SB 1070, last I checked the republic they had lost 40 conventions. I pay to educate your chldren. Over half of my taxes go to provide education for the masses of children born in this state, and they aint Mexican. And get your facts from something other than people who just make them up. You lil Nazi's always seem to forget the billions of unpaid Social Security dollars now don't ya. Now you get off your rear end and go to McDonalds or any other biz in Park City and see who is waiting on you. Now, you go get your lawyer and take on the businesses that hire them. No, that just never seems do happen now does it. There is a job waiting for you at EA Miller removing the intestines from dead cows. Your gonna be great!
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. I feel sorry for you because it is readily apparent that you are doing everything within your power to rationalize why it is ok for you and yours to break the laws of this country. It is also apparent that you can't come up with any good argument to support that position.

So you do the next best thing...you point out random incongruities that are tangentially related to the matter at hand. I am not sure if you do this to try to confuse the issue to get people to focus on things that are irrelevant to this discussion OR if you are just, on a personal level, concerned with the fact that immigration laws might actually be enforced. This concerns you enough that you vomit random facts that piss you off regarding immigration. Either way, what you bring up is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

1) you pay taxes. Great...why wouldn't you?
2) 1/2 your taxes go to pay for education of kids that aren't Mexican. Uh..ok? 3 points on this - 1) why WOULD you be paying to educate Mexican children? 2) unless of course, you are paying to educate children of illegals (which you are), and 3) you are making up for some of the freeloading that your parents did and that you did...that is great, i respect that
3)40 conventions lost - kneejerk reactions...don't make a final judgement on this yet. as i said before, i suspect at the end of the day, you will find a very different net result...especially as multiple other states pass similar legislation and the November elections usher out the Dem majority in Congress. I think you are relying on what the so called media is reporting.
4) Billions of unpaid Social Security $??? I suppose you mean the billions of SS contributions made by illegals that they won't be able to collect on? 1) it doesn't even come close to offsetting costs...NOT EVEN CLOSE, and 2) what the hell does that matter to me? Social Security will be dead long before I can collect it, with or without the illegals' contributions, 3) YOU seem to forget the massive costs and damage that citizens of this country are encountering by having to fight the IRS because illegals are paying into their SS accounts
5) i do agree with you about businesses hiring illegals. Fine the bejesus out of them. if we can get rid of the illegal workforce, it will require companies to pay a wage that Americans are willing to work for. Remember, it isn't that Americans WON'T do the work, its that they won't do it for the wage offerred. That is the REAL way to 'level the playing field.'
Clyde

Kamas, UT

#11 May 22, 2010
This is better than tv! And those fine American Citizens were just not lining up at the butchering plant. And ultimately people are greedy, they will shop at WallMart as long as they don't have to spend more money. The anti immigrants never go after the businesses, to hard, too easy to take a punch at the immigrant. Happened at Tyson Chicken, you will guess who won on that one. Tyson was going to Mexico and recruiting workers, kind of well ILLEGAL no bans on that skinless boneless piece about to go on the bbq. Right, so you offer someone $30 to work in the cold meat packing plants, boy howdy they will come running. Except they don't and the employers can't afford it because ultimately the consumer will not allow it. If there had been fertile ground here in the 90's when our immigrant community arrived the ski group would have continued to work. But they didn't,$10 an hour was not enough to make up for the hard work and the dot com revolution. Where are the work place sanctions? Guess their lawyers got there first.
Clyde

Kamas, UT

#12 May 22, 2010
Why should I be paying to educate Utah kids? We don't have children in the school system. Let their parents pay for each one they want to pop out. They might think about the 4rth or 5th if it has a price attached to their education.
Carl Young

Salt Lake City, UT

#13 May 22, 2010
I agree with the author of the letter. In education expenses alone, Utah taxpayers are paying millions of dollars to educate children of people who do not have the right to be here. As just one example, all Utah teachers are given expensive "English as a Second Language Training" to deal help them deal with children whose parents are not here legally.

Further, illegals take jobs from people who are here legally. I know a woman who came here from the Philippines after waiting 9 years for her immigration papers to be approved. Now that she is here, she is competing for jobs with people who are here illegally. It's simply not fair to her and all the other legal immigrants.
It has to be stopped.
hey now

Ogden, UT

#14 May 22, 2010
the legal immigrants that are here need to revolt. they have a HUGE voice.
the internationals that fight for jobs so they can learn about and appreciate our country.

this is an opportunity for them. it's funny, the second their visas are up.. they have to get out of the country.. but illegals, well we all know how they are treated.

i think everyone that is for the az law understands that we are fighting ILLEGAL immigration. not LEGAL immigration.

i don't know. since when did the term illegal change meanings.
clyde

South Jordan, UT

#15 May 22, 2010
Again I ask a simple question, why am I taxed to support children who are not mine to provide them an education, any more than I should provide them with a dandy car when they are 16? My good God, take a look at the children who I pay for just because mommy and daddy had one too many "spirit souls". Pay your own way with your 8 kids. Grandkids and great grandkids and next time wear protection. Oh, and sign up for CHIPS while you are at it. Oh no! you already did.
Hey Now, you just stop reading the cliff notes from Fair, slow down your driving habits (you know what I am talking about) and learn if you can not pay for it, don't breed.
hey now

Ogden, UT

#16 May 23, 2010
clyde-o.

i don't have children. and
my driving habits have nothing to do with you.

so what's your point again?

Since: Jan 10

South Jordan, UT

#17 May 23, 2010
Clyde, you are paying to educate children who will grow up to be American workers, taxpayer, and voters. It is in the interest of everyone - even ignorant non-breeders - to have an educated population. Not that you would know anything about that.
Da Judge

Heber City, UT

#18 May 23, 2010
Clyde is right about everything having to do with immigration and racism. David A is ridiculous.

REAL PC Taxpayer is right about the need for all taxpayers to contribute to the education system in order to help created a (modestly) educated society which benefits all members of that society.
Just like we all pay for roads, regardless of how much we drive, and we all pay for fire departments whether our houses catch fire or not.

If we could pick and choose what public services we will pay for, we would have none. The libertarian paradise.
Sofa King

West Jordan, UT

#19 May 23, 2010
Da Judge wrote:
Clyde is right about everything having to do with immigration and racism. David A is ridiculous.
REAL PC Taxpayer is right about the need for all taxpayers to contribute to the education system in order to help created a (modestly) educated society which benefits all members of that society.
Just like we all pay for roads, regardless of how much we drive, and we all pay for fire departments whether our houses catch fire or not.
If we could pick and choose what public services we will pay for, we would have none. The libertarian paradise.
oh for the love of god, will you just go away? or at least keep using the OH MY screen name so that we can know just to skip over what you write?
Sofa King

West Jordan, UT

#20 May 23, 2010
clyde wrote:
Again I ask a simple question, why am I taxed to support children who are not mine to provide them an education, any more than I should provide them with a dandy car when they are 16? My good God, take a look at the children who I pay for just because mommy and daddy had one too many "spirit souls". Pay your own way with your 8 kids. Grandkids and great grandkids and next time wear protection. Oh, and sign up for CHIPS while you are at it. Oh no! you already did.
Hey Now, you just stop reading the cliff notes from Fair, slow down your driving habits (you know what I am talking about) and learn if you can not pay for it, don't breed.
Wow Clyde, you are pretty crazy. Unless i have misread your past posts, you are the offspring of illegals, aren't you? You went to school here in the US, didn't you? Who do you think paid for you to do that? and now that you are of tax paying age, YOU are complaining about paying taxes? How bizarre...to the point of narcissistic. if you don't want to pay taxes and such, why not return to your mother country?

As David A said, you are just making up for all of the freeloading that you and your family have done to this point.

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