Speed a factor in MSP trooper crash?

Speed a factor in MSP trooper crash?

There are 166 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Oct 31, 2008, titled Speed a factor in MSP trooper crash?. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

A Michigan state trooper and the driver of an SUV he hit are home and recovering from a rollover accident Thursday morning.

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Since: Sep 08

Deerfield, IL

#166 Nov 3, 2008
moe GR wrote:
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Happen to be one of the vechiles pulled over on the right side of the road.
It is amazing how everyone makes a comment on who was wrong, when none of the people commenting were anywhere near the scene.
Yes, speed is a factor -Yes it was most certainly driver error (not the troopers), but I pray to god, if I ever need help from the police, fire, emts, that they also respond to my call as fast as they can.
I will bet that the driver does not go around the traffic that has pulled over for emergency vehicles
because they slowed him down....I just hope the trooper does not second guess his next emergency call
All right you were there tell us what happened, it is not a state secret.

Where were you pulled over, northbound, southboun, north or south of Adams.

What first brought your attention to the cruiser, lights, siren something else.

Where was the cruiser when you first saw it in relationship to Adams, how far north or south.

Where was the SUV when you first saw it.

Did you see the SUV pull out, did it ever get into the northbound lane, if it did get in the northbound lane did it ever leave that lane and if so what did it do. How fast did the SUV ever get going.

How long from time SUV pulls out until contact.

How far from Adams is the point of contact.

What were the light conditions.

How fast did you think the trooper was going when you first saw it, at contact.

Did either take evasive action.

There are obviously more questions depending on the answers to these.
Mark

Rockford, MI

#167 Nov 3, 2008
neecer wrote:
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I know he would, but at the same time, what kind of reception would YOU get? I'm thinking along the lines of 'what took you so long?'.
I'm sure that whatever any officer did within the confines of the law and department policy wouldn't be enough for him. Some people just don't like cops no matter what we do. We could kick down a door and save someone from a burning house and we'd be blamed for breaking the door!:)

(If you recall the officer that arrested the old guy for H & O - and he PLED to it... he still refused to accept a guilty plea by the victim and truth.)

“91 Whiskey”

Since: Nov 08

Grand Rapids

#168 Nov 3, 2008
Lamont Cranston wrote:
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Kevin, if you or your buddies went 75 ( your words - sometimes 20 over - M-37 is 55mph ) then y'all were driving in much more dangerous manner than the trooper.
I was generalizing, of course you have to taylor your speed to what road you are on when driving that type of vehicle. Two lane road at 75 = nuts, 28th street at 55-60 (posted at 40-45) would be somewhat normal.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#169 Nov 3, 2008
GR Pete wrote:
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Yes I agree that they have to conduct and investigation but where he was going and why certainly does not need to be investigated unless of course he was not on an official mission. I am not saying he was but if he was dispatched to an accident, tell us which one.
You claim the SUV driver is not innocent and it is my point that you have absloutely no facts on which to judge that. If and I repeat If, the trooper was doing 100 mph it is possible that due to other traffic, light and road conditions the SUV driver could have pulled out BEFORE he could have seen the trooper, due to the speed of the cruiser.
Have you ever seen a car do 100 or even 80 mph. We pull out into traffic all the time on roads like M-37 where the speed limit is 55. We are not allowed to use the medians on the Interstates mainly because it is not safe to go from a standing stop out into 70 mph traffic. It is obviously even less dangerous if the traffic is doing 80 or 100.
So lets calm down and see what the facts show but I am not optimistic about the chances of ever knowing. We still do not know the details of that motorcyclist that was tasered down in Wayland several months ago or the car/motorcycle accident that killed two east of South Haven a few weeks ago.
Considering he pulled out from a stop sign onto a road that has the right of way, yes he is at fault. He failed to yield to oncoming traffic.
moe GR

Hudsonville, MI

#170 Nov 3, 2008
GR Pete wrote:
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All right you were there tell us what happened, it is not a state secret.
Where were you pulled over, northbound, southboun, north or south of Adams.
What first brought your attention to the cruiser, lights, siren something else.
Where was the cruiser when you first saw it in relationship to Adams, how far north or south.
Where was the SUV when you first saw it.
Did you see the SUV pull out, did it ever get into the northbound lane, if it did get in the northbound lane did it ever leave that lane and if so what did it do. How fast did the SUV ever get going.
How long from time SUV pulls out until contact.
How far from Adams is the point of contact.
What were the light conditions.
How fast did you think the trooper was going when you first saw it, at contact.
Did either take evasive action.
There are obviously more questions depending on the answers to these.
State secret? Who is keeping secrets?
Heard sirens - seen big red flasher in rear view mirror - pulled over to the sholder (southbound), along with other vechiles.
SUV pulls out around stopped/slowing down traffic - into the northbound lane and then hears/sees the sirens and lights.
Trooper is now heading for the sholder of the south bound lane and no he is not going 80 mph at this point.
SUV also takes the sholder of the south bound lane instead of going back to the right side of the road.
Trooper takes the ditch(swamp), and trying to avoid the SUV clips the corner of the SUV and that's what flips the SUV.
I do not have radar, have no clue to how fast either vechile was traveling, beside the vechiles that pulled to the side of the road for the sirens that were loud and clear, were going to slow for the SUV driver and he was going around everyone.
Mopes

Holland, MI

#171 Nov 4, 2008
To all the people that wrote negative comments about police officers in general just because of the job we perform on a daily basis: We don't come to where you work and throw rocks in the path of your mowers. You're welcome for the money we've contributed to your bridge card.

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