Speed a factor in MSP trooper crash?

Speed a factor in MSP trooper crash?

There are 166 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Oct 31, 2008, titled Speed a factor in MSP trooper crash?. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

A Michigan state trooper and the driver of an SUV he hit are home and recovering from a rollover accident Thursday morning.

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holsey

Syracuse, NY

#1 Oct 31, 2008
They all drive like they do not have to obey traffic laws. Emergency or not.
concerned

Rockford, MI

#2 Oct 31, 2008
holsey wrote:
They all drive like they do not have to obey traffic laws. Emergency or not.
Keep this statement in mind when they are responding to help you or your family.
here we go

Aurora, CO

#3 Oct 31, 2008
complain about the way they drive, but you will be the FIRST ONE asking what is taking so long when you need them.............
Here we go again

Grand Rapids, MI

#4 Oct 31, 2008
concerned wrote:
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Keep this statement in mind when they are responding to help you or your family.
Keep that in mind next time they spin you out cause you and your family to roll over because they were driving way to fast for conditions..

I don't know who was at fault or what went on, but come on. Do they need to get someplace to save lives, yes and I appreciate that fact. However, I have been blown by at ridiculous speeds in the past.. I have had cops come out of nowhere and ride my a$$, and I mean within inches of my bumper, if I don't notice them right away. All that it takes is one wrong move by either party at those speeds and distances and I don't care how trained you are, someone is getting hurt...
me too

Rockford, MI

#5 Oct 31, 2008
The suv most likely pulled right out in front of the police!
jgh

Hendersonville, TN

#6 Oct 31, 2008
I smell a cover up!.... And here we have the cops investgating the cop.... something is wrong with that picture.

They should put black boxes in the cop cars... pull the video on the cop car.... that should tell alot... of course I am sure that got destroyed in the crash....
jade

United States

#7 Oct 31, 2008
me too wrote:
The suv most likely pulled right out in front of the police!
You were there to witness this, right??
just saying

Grand Rapids, MI

#8 Oct 31, 2008
On the news report one witness said the officer passed her so fast it shook her car. Now traveling at 55-60mph (the posted speeds in that area) and to have your car shaken by something passing you in the same direction.. that officer was moving extremely quickly.

Not arguing whether they are "allowed" to go that fast, just pointing out that at those speeds, you close in on someone VERY quickly and it's just simple math and physics to determine stopping/slowing distances and reaction times. If the other driver panicked even a little bit and hit the brakes, swerved, whatever, it would cause dramatic impact to the sitaution.
4 Justice

Grand Rapids, MI

#9 Oct 31, 2008
I emailed Joe LaFurgey on this one. He was 20 minutes out (the MSP trooper). But on the average, EMS and Rescue are within a 5 to 6 minute response. Not to mention, if there was such a delay, they could have requested mutual aid from either Barry or the Kent County Sheriffs Dept.
That and I agree with the other poster on how cops drive ignoring traffic laws. Though this was an emergency call, it could have been handled in a safer manner... IMHO.
Just glad to hear nobody was seriously hurt, and maybe in the future, they come up with a better response plan.
TheOtherSideofRe ason

Jenison, MI

#10 Oct 31, 2008
It was the SUV's fault.

SUV's are ALWAYS to blame for any accident.

Those damn SUV's.

The driver of the SUV, on the other hand, was just along for the ride
Just Me

Alledonia, OH

#11 Oct 31, 2008
jgh: Who would you suggest should investigate the crash? You? I am sure you are well trained to do so. Maybe all police officers should respond to emergencies obeying the speed limits. Do you have any knowledge of the area? With such a big area and few on-duty officers, police regularly travel 15 or more miles to the scene of an emergency. If you are not breathing or are bleeding profusely, guess what more than 15 minutes means to you. One thing this blog proves is the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Give 'em a break. Most police officers are honest, hard-working and dedicated to helping others, including saving a life or two. If and when I ever need help, I hope this Trooper will do the same to help me.
Kevin

Grand Rapids, MI

#12 Oct 31, 2008
I was taught to come to a complete stop even with lights and sirens. We had electronic babysitters that could tell how fast you are going, wether someone is spotting you while backing the vehicle up, lights and sirens on/off, vehicle location, seatbelt usage, how fast you take a turn, etc. We got in big trouble if caught breaking traffic laws.
bob

Gowen, MI

#13 Oct 31, 2008
holsey wrote:
They all drive like they do not have to obey traffic laws. Emergency or not.
Amen to that!!
4 Justice

Grand Rapids, MI

#14 Oct 31, 2008
On investigating the crash, since these law enforcement cruisers are so high tech nowadays, there should be GPS and other monitoring equipment built in (Speed, RPM's, Acceleration, Braking, etc).
Probably installed, but do you think we'll hear the data on the recorders? Bet this remains internal to the department to avoid any lawsuits.
Ted

Gowen, MI

#15 Oct 31, 2008
It don't take a genius to see who gets the ticket here.
4 Justice

Grand Rapids, MI

#16 Oct 31, 2008
Kevin beat my on my thoughts...
Kevin

Grand Rapids, MI

#17 Oct 31, 2008
Fifteen to 20 above is acceptable although you are taught never to go ten above. Anything above twenty is asking for it. Yeah you want to get there and help but you can't help anyone if you get injured your self
Ron

Gowen, MI

#18 Oct 31, 2008
Just Me wrote:
jgh: Who would you suggest should investigate the crash? You? I am sure you are well trained to do so. Maybe all police officers should respond to emergencies obeying the speed limits. Do you have any knowledge of the area? With such a big area and few on-duty officers, police regularly travel 15 or more miles to the scene of an emergency. If you are not breathing or are bleeding profusely, guess what more than 15 minutes means to you. One thing this blog proves is the police are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Give 'em a break. Most police officers are honest, hard-working and dedicated to helping others, including saving a life or two. If and when I ever need help, I hope this Trooper will do the same to help me.
And don't forget most police are above the law.
Kevin

Grand Rapids, MI

#19 Oct 31, 2008
jgh wrote:
I smell a cover up!.... And here we have the cops investgating the cop.
This is why whenever an officer is involved in an incident, and outside agency performs the invesigation.

Since: Oct 08

Holland

#20 Oct 31, 2008
jgh wrote:
I smell a cover up!.... And here we have the cops investgating the cop.... something is wrong with that picture.
They should put black boxes in the cop cars... pull the video on the cop car.... that should tell alot... of course I am sure that got destroyed in the crash....
They do have black boxes you idiot, it's called a GPS antenna that records speeds as well as location. Day time with lights and siren and the SUV pulled into the path. Who else do you want to investigate the incident? Customary for a differednt agency to investigate. All skid marks are photographed and measure for any interested parties.

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