BTL:Israeli Military Refusers Bring Their Message to America

Israeli Military Refusers Bring Their Message to America Talks by Israeli military refusers Netta Mishly and Maya Wind, Recorded and produced by Melinda Tuhus For the past few years, about 200 graduating high school seniors -- both male and female -- have been refusing induction into the Israel Defense Force because they object to Israel's ...

[brynababy]

I think their behavior is outrageous and traitorous. If these girls have concerns, their efforts should be in Israel with the authorities. To put the whole country of Israel at risk by their incitement is a heavy responsibility for being so sure they're right. They should be very sure they are educating themselves from the leaders in Israel of opposing philosophies, on the current situation, the history of what led to Israel's actions, and attempts to change policies and philosophies within their country. Sometimes, young, passionate and peace-loving people, mistake what they see and understand and the consequences can be disastrous, not only for them, but for those they affect. Those dedicated to the destruction of Israel are surely leaping on the actions of these girls with glee. But they would kill these young women in the bat of an eye if it served their purposes.

[Casual Observer]

brynababy wrote:

I think their behavior is outrageous and traitorous. If these girls have concerns, their efforts should be in Israel with the authorities. To put the whole country of Israel at risk by their incitement is a heavy responsibility for being so sure they're right. They should be very sure they are educating themselves from the leaders in Israel of opposing philosophies, on the current situation, the history of what led to Israel's actions, and attempts to change policies and philosophies within their country. Sometimes, young, passionate and peace-loving people, mistake what they see and understand and the consequences can be disastrous, not only for them, but for those they affect. Those dedicated to the destruction of Israel are surely leaping on the actions of these girls with glee. But they would kill these young women in the bat of an eye if it served their purposes.

They've tried the authorites and gotten nowhere. No they come to the US, the Country that is financially and politically allowing these war crimes to take place.

I applaud them, decency amongst the Israelis is extremely rare.

Hopefully Obama will take decisive action and cripple the Israeli occupation. It's certainly what most of the world, including Americans want.

[zionist predators]

the coalition government in Israel allows the ultra - orthdox haters to wield disportionate power ......... the peaceful jews are coerced by the zionist racist wingnuts .

[Burt]

Every nation and people has it's traitors.

[zionism is racism]

the USA has the largest fifth column of traitors in history ............ AIPAC , JINSA and WINEP have openly bribed congress and taken over the main stream media.......... Mort Zuckerman , rupert murdoch , ed nekritz , nina burleigh , cheryl halpern , glen beck , michael bloomberg , dick gephardt , dick cheney and morris dees have abandoned any pretense of neutrality and simply parrot every outrageous demand of the neo - con judeo fascists for more money for the insatiable zionist money sponge ........ zionists are parasites undermining every human rights entity that is outside the zionist bribe mill .

[Nihad Awad]

zionism is racism wrote:

the USA has the largest fifth column of traitors in history .......... AIPAC , JINSA and WINEP have openly bribed congress and taken over the main stream media.......... Mort Zuckerman , rupert murdoch , ed nekritz , nina burleigh , cheryl halpern , glen beck , michael bloomberg , dick gephardt , dick cheney and morris dees have abandoned any pretense of neutrality and simply parrot every outrageous demand of the neo - con judeo fascists for more money for the insatiable zionist money sponge ........ zionists are parasites undermining every human rights entity that is outside the zionist bribe mill .

The Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Indisputable evidence now shows CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood – the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas – to infiltrate and destroy the American system.

This is what "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America" by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry delivers.

It has all the elements of a top-flight mystery novel, but the situations and conversations are absolutely real. The book’s frightening allegations are well supported by more than twelve thousand pages of confidential, internal CAIR documents secretly extracted during an unprecedented undercover operation.

[mtlonewolf]

brynababy wrote:

I think their behavior is outrageous and traitorous. If these girls have concerns, their efforts should be in Israel with the authorities. To put the whole country of Israel at risk by their incitement is a heavy responsibility for being so sure they're right.

That's very interesting, and I don't entirely disagree with you being that I tend to be pro-Israel for the most part (not always), however, and am a veteran myself.

When I was young, the draft was still in force in the US during Vietnam. We had active anti-war protestors at that time as well who had to opt out in a variety of ways, some enduring varying legal penalties, alternative service, harassment, and ostrisization (if that's a word at all). Others simply fled the country to avoid it all, not necessarily because of fear, but sometimes out of sincere convictions that were contrary to their countrys' nationally stated interests, purposes, and choices. Most were viewed negatively in some fashion during that time era. Some were very notable and now have places in history. Of course, we had a much larger country and populace to draw from, but it was never-the-less, considered to be our duty to serve if called upon...to support the national cause, whatever that was stated to be (not always fully true, and often twisted and molded to suit the governments' more ultruistic agendas).

I, myself, chose to enlist despite the draft. I was not necessarily certain about the true intent of the Vietnam war and its' ultimate goals, except what it was espoused by our government and media to be, and what we had been groomed to accept as truth (the victors always paint the history books)...however, I wanted to be a part of what was considered to be an honorable endeavor at supporting our nations' stated intent to "protect our freedoms" and those of others across the globe, along with our own national security interests abroad, and the human rights of others. You know, the whole "mom, apple pie, and chevrolet" bit, so to speak.

Looking back on it, I still feel honored to have been involved, although I feel we were misled as to the true nature of our involvement, and of course I feel we were ultimately betrayed as we ceased our war efforts, and were perceived to have lost the war. Still, it was not the soldiers who were dishonorable. They did what was right, as did their immediate military leadership.

As always, the politicians had different agendas and interests than did the common individual. Most individuals simply want a simple, dignified, meaningful, unencumbered existence that has purpose, integrity, honor, and are not really too concerned about much more than that, for the most part. Every soldier tends to feel roughly the same, no matter which country they serve. At the end of their day and tour of duty, they want to go home, be at peace, feel they have served nobly and honorably, love their family, and live a decent life with some degree of hope and purpose for their family and toward the future.

Continued in next post...

[mtlonewolf]

brynababy wrote:
I think their behavior is outrageous and traitorous. If these girls have concerns, their efforts should be in Israel with the authorities. To put the whole country of Israel at risk by their incitement is a heavy responsibility for being so sure they're right.

Continued...

I don't necessarily agree with these graduating seniors who have made such difficult choices, which has cost them so dearly, however...you've got to hand it to them with the effort and thought that had to go into making such difficult choices at such a price, while still so young and relatively naive from an experiential point of view.

The personal character involved with making such difficult life choices speaks well of them, and toward the future of mankind, generally speaking...even if they are at variance with our own convictions and biases. Hopefully that level of determination and purpose can have a beneficial, longer lasting benefit that both we and our posterity can benefit from. They are usually the leaders of tomorrow that shape the world we live in by such strength of character, passion, and conviction. Not always to our personal liking, but admirable none-the-less, to display such grit and steel against such overwhelming opposition. Hopefully they don't do this just for the show...as some might for the spot lite of the moment. I rather doubt it.

Who knows what their convictions/beliefs will be 20-40-60 years from now? Things change, and we do too, as our experiences precipitate changes of heart, convictions, and pathways. I am confident they will turn out well as individuals and will produce a fine crop of the next generations' leaders and children. Our world is in good hands with people of such composition, ethics, and personal character/grit, even should we choose to disagree with their choices.

As difficult as it no doubt is for their parents...those same parents should feel proud of their children. The world could do much worse, and frequently has. My hat is off to them, despite their lack of support for Israel's current policies and national law, which I generally (not always) tend to support. As a parent myself, and a veteran, I say...Well done, I am proud of you!

[mtlonewolf]

brynababy wrote:

I think their behavior is outrageous and traitorous. If these girls have concerns, their efforts should be in Israel with the authorities. To put the whole country of Israel at risk by their incitement is a heavy responsibility for being so sure they're right.

Continued...

I don't necessarily agree with these particular graduating seniors who have made such difficult choices, which has cost them so dearly, however...you've got to hand it to them with the effort and thought that had to go into making such difficult choices at such a price, while still so young and relatively naive from an experiential point of view. The personal character involved with making such difficult life choices speaks well of them, and toward the future of mankind, generally speaking...even if they are at variance with our own convictions and biases. Hopefully that level of determination and purpose can have a beneficial, longer lasting benefit that both we and our posterity can benefit from. They are usually the leaders of tomorrow that shape the world we live in by such strength of character, passion, and conviction. Not always to our personal liking, but admirable none-the-less, to display such grit and steel against such overwhelming opposition. Hopefully they don't do this just for the show...as some might for the spot lite of the moment. I rather doubt it.

Who knows what their convictions/beliefs will be 20-40-60 years from now? Things change, and we do too, as our experiences precipitate changes of heart, convictions, and pathways. I am confident they will turn out well as individuals and will produce a fine crop of the next generations' leaders and children. Our world is in good hands with people of such composition, ethics, and personal character/grit, even should we choose to disagree with their choices.

As difficult as it no doubt is for their parents...those same parents should feel proud of their children. The world could do much worse, and frequently has. My hat is off to them, despite their lack of support for Israel's current policies and national law, which I generally (not always) tend to support. As a parent myself, and a veteran, I say...Well done, I am proud of you!

[surk]

Nihad Awad wrote:

<quoted text>
The Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Indisputable evidence now shows CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood – the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas – to infiltrate and destroy the American system.
This is what "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America" by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry delivers.,
It has all the elements of a top-flight mystery novel, but the situations and conversations are absolutely real. The book’s frightening allegations are well supported by more than twelve thousand pages of confidential, internal CAIR documents secretly extracted during an unprecedented undercover operation.

Nahid Awad,You are right CAIR has been up to no good and are no good to USA www.blip.tv/file/1382254

[Chickns Comn Home 2 Roost]

Burt wrote:

Every nation and people has it's traitors.

Yes they Do! America has hundreds of thousands of them. They are called Zionists! They come from many Synagogs and Evangelical Churches and they put the interest of Israel before those of America. The worst of those traitors are enscounced in our Congress and Executive Branches of the federal government. Then there are those on topixs extolling their love for Israel no matter what it does to America's vested interests in the world.

[IslamIsFascism]

Bin Laden has many muslim support...even here you can tell by their posts. Islam is a perpetual war.

[IslamIsFascism]

Chickns Comn Home 2 Roost wrote:

<quoted text>Yes they Do! America has hundreds of thousands of them. They are called Muslims! They come from many Mosques and Temples and they put the interest of Palestine before those of America. The worst of those traitors are enscounced in CAIR who tries to get into the federal government. Then there are those on topixs extolling their love for Palestine no matter what it does to America's vested interests in the world.

That's better and the truth.

[IslamIsFascism]

The Jihad Is Joined At Temple University As Muslim Students Try To Shut Down Wilders Event

The Temple Muslim Students Association is attempting to shut down the scheduled appearance of Geert Wilders on October 20. As part of its Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, and its campaign to Stop the Campus War Against Israel and the Jews, the David Horowitz Freedom Center is sponsoring appearances by Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders at Temple and Columbia universities (October 20 and 21). The Muslim Students Association has issued a statement condemning the event and calling on the Temple Administration to close it down. The MSA statement can be found at the end of this post. The David Horowitz Freedom Center statement follows:

David Horowitz Freedom Center Response to the Muslim Students Association

The Temple Muslim Students Association has issued a call to the Temple University administration to censor the forthcoming campus appearance of Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders on the 20th of October, which is sponsored by the David Horowitz Freedom Center. The Temple administration should reject this attack on the First Amendment rights of all members of the Temple community.

It is not surprising that the Muslim Students Association would seek to shut down the free speech of Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders who has been an outspoken critic of Islamic terrorists and Islamic attacks on Jews and other religions. Assaults on the First Amendment and efforts to censor critics of radical Islam are, in fact, typical of the tactics used by the Muslim Students Association, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Muslim American Society, all groups which support the jihad against the west and are part of the network created by the Muslim Brotherhood, which is the parent organization of the terrorist groups al-Qaeda and Hamas. The faculty advisor for Temple MSA is presently a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

It is the height of hypocrisy for the Muslim Students Association to accuse Geert Wilders of spreading hate or anyone of being a hate group. Chapters of MSA at UC Irvine and Ohio State have raised money for the terrorist group Hamas whose goal — as stated in its official charter — is the destruction of the Jewish state and the extermination of the Jews. Speakers sponsored by the MSA have called for the execution of homosexuals, war against the United States and the destruction of the Jewish state and the extermination of the Jews. Every year, on the day commemorating the birth of the Jewish state, the MSA sponsors nationwide campus protests against the existence of the Jewish state calling its creation the “nakba”– the catastrophe. This is an act of genocidal hate.

Temple MSA refers to the fact that security will be necessary at the event as proof that Geert Wilders is dangerous. This is the perfect Orwellian mindset of supporters of the jihad. The threat to the Wilders event making security measures necessary comes from Muslim radicals who have already assassinated two prominent Dutch critics of Islamic terrorism – Pym Fortun and Theo Van Gogh (who not incidentally both happened to be gay).

In point of fact Wilders has not been tried by any Dutch court, and was recently exonerated by a British court which declared the ban on his entry illegal.

The Temple community should reject the call by the MSA to censor free speech on the Temple campus, and should recognize it for what it is – an assault on the right of all Americans to have a democracy that is inclusive, tolerant and respectful of the rights of others.

[IslamIsFascism]

A Somalian Islamic group reportedly has started whipping women in public for wearing bras that violate Islam, the Daily Mail reports.

Residents claim insurgent group Al Shabaab sent gunmen into the streets to round up women who appeared to have a firm bust. The women are inspected to see if their suspected firmness is natural or from a bra. Officials reportedly make the women shake their breasts after removing their bras.

"Al Shabaab forced us to wear their type of full veil and now they order us to shake our breasts," a resident, Halima, told Reuters, adding that her daughters had been whipped on Thursday.

The new bra rule adds to the long list of religious restrictions in Somalia, including a ban on movies, musical cell phone ring tones, dancing at weddings and playing soccer.

[allah the pedophile]

Why us Americans should care 4 jewsLets be honest most Americans dont even know where holocaust state of israel is does it matter effect most americans dont like jews.Its thje jewish media n its propaganda which is shoving jewish issues in our throats.Lets hope Barry Hussein Obama sticks it to the jews .Its time to drop state of israel all together..

[Burt]

Israel is on the front line in the war against islamo-fascism.
(and doing a damn fine job if I may add)

[Chickns Comn Home 2 Roost]

IslamIsFascism wrote:

<quoted text>
That's better and the truth.

A typical Zionist propagandist . Taking another persons post and bastardizing it with zionist swill. But U can't stop the truth. The world is starting to see Israel and its vassals for the lying, cheating, murdering thugs they are. I suppose with your diminished mental capacities you will have to rewrite this and substitute your key words where mine are. A Mind is a Terrible thing to waste and its quiet obvious you are wasted!!!!!!