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Lucifer Jones

Middlesboro, KY

#1 Jan 9, 2013
Why are atheist so miserable? Ive never met one that seemed happy and most seem to be filled with hate
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United States

#2 Jan 9, 2013
are you asking strictly about atheist or are you a person that considers an agnostic to be an atheist?
Lucifer Jones

Middlesboro, KY

#3 Jan 9, 2013
No, just those who have no belief in any God
hmm

United States

#4 Jan 9, 2013
Maybe it is because most atheist do not choose to believe as they do based only upon logic, but also based upon emotions. They possibly hate knowing they were betrayed by those important people in their life (most likely parents) when they were a child and told there was a God. There has been something in their life that emotionally led to them to becoming an Atheist. If their religion was based merely upon proof and knowledge, they could not be atheist for the same reason they cannot be, lets say, Christian or any other god-fearing religion. That is unless there is some scientific proof of either that I don't know about.
God is Love

Duluth, GA

#5 Jan 9, 2013
I was once agnostic and one day when under extreme physical and emotional pain something happened. You could say my mind had been on the wrong channel, I was not tuned in before that day. My mind was renewed and I became a new person. I do not think all atheist are unhappy, in fact many may be happy for now. I can't show them what I have and can't codemn them not seeing things my way, we are simply on different channels.I hope some day to have them want what I have, faith! I am nothing myself being less than dung. It is what is now in me that is priceless!
Lucifer Jones

Middlesboro, KY

#6 Jan 9, 2013
hmm wrote:
Maybe it is because most atheist do not choose to believe as they do based only upon logic, but also based upon emotions. They possibly hate knowing they were betrayed by those important people in their life (most likely parents) when they were a child and told there was a God. There has been something in their life that emotionally led to them to becoming an Atheist. If their religion was based merely upon proof and knowledge, they could not. be atheist for the same reason they cannot be, lets say, Christian or any other god- fearing religion. That is unless there is some scientific proof of either that I don't know about.
I see your well made point. Why do you think most atheist are so intolerant of others who believe differently than they do?
God is Love

Duluth, GA

#7 Jan 9, 2013
The many different religions and denominations and splinter groups vary widely in their beliefs. Most all of us have had one group or another try to recruit us. These may be well meaning but use the wrong tactics. Many simply have heard things from people who were wrong. Many have seen the errors by those who didn't practice what they taught. Many have been hurt by a lot of other wrongs. We must try to be a good example, none of us is perfect though. I am sad to see the beliefs of the sick and broken hearted attacked. These same people would not kick an old lady that was on the ground but it was nearly the same attacking their beliefs. We are all human let us be civil.
hmm

United States

#8 Jan 9, 2013
It could be a number of things I suppose. You could look at it a few different ways. For instance:

Why are let's say Christians tolerant of Atheist? Because Christianity teaches love, forgiveness and to make attempts to basically "convert" nonbelievers. They feel pity for nonbelievers, and want no man to be left behind or to experience hell... not so sure what conclusion that leads to regarding Atheists being intolerant?? Tolerance is not a part of religion. It is an emotion. It is a part of the person.

What do Atheists think about God-fearing people? That they are not smart because they do not believe the facts, instead they believe a somewhat baseless story. But, why would they care? It could go back to my previous post. Possibly it isn't that they are intolerant of believers. Instead, they are letting people know they are intolerant of being betrayed.

Religion is interconnectedness that many people rely on and enjoy. It could be that they lost the interconnectedness when they lost belief in a religion, and it's something they miss.

I dont think most people are raised in an Atheist environment, especially around here. For those that were, what Ive stated would probably be completely inaccurate.
hmm

United States

#9 Jan 9, 2013
I also dont believe that hypocritical ways of some believers are why atheists are intolerant, although that may be an annoyance and they may say that's what it is. But that would be passing judgment on individuals, not all religions as a whole.?
hmm

United States

#10 Jan 9, 2013
As a nonbeliever I find it is easy to be miserable and intolerant just like the believers do Im sure. But I have to keep the faith. Faith in people generally, in love (whether it be the love other people for me or my love for others), and in what I am doing with my life.
Lucifer Jones

Middlesboro, KY

#11 Jan 9, 2013
Your post are very enlightening. Would you consider that the intolerance some atheist show toward christians is a form of racism? Is it the same as intolerance that some christians have toward, say homosexuals? Would any of that be considered a form of racism?
hmm

United States

#12 Jan 9, 2013
Thanks, but not so sure you should rely much on what I say.

I actually started to use the words racism and prejudice in my other post... that the intolerance can possibly be equated to those. I talked myself out of it though, for what at the moment I thought I was a good reason, but now I cant recall. lol. So yes, it at least crossed my mind and I wanted to initially equate the two. Religion is not a race (physical attribute), so I don't think it is actually a form of racism. But yes, it is a form of prejudice that seems (unless I remember why I decided not to use the words) to be one and the same as a prejudice toward homosexuals. And yes, it does denote a superiority and inferiority designated to the nonbeliever and believer.

I think an intolerant Atheist is more vile than any hypocritical or pushy Christian, because of the disdain in the Atheist's heart. A hypocritical Christian is acting based upon a weakness in the moment (we all make mistakes), yet they still carry that love and understanding for all others. A pushy Christian is only trying to help nonbelievers, which actually should be appreciated and shows they have a caring heart, regardless of whether it is a shared belief. The intolerance you ask about gives nonbelievers, including myself, a bad rep. I merely like to coexist and respect the beliefs of others, because that is what I want others to do for me.
hmm

United States

#13 Jan 9, 2013
...also, there is no valid reason an Atheist should push their beliefs upon any other person. So what, they dont believe the same as a Christian or other beliefs. But, and this is a big but, Christians are fully aware that their religion is based upon nothing more than faith. Actually, that is something that Christians feel/know is the largest part of their religion. If a Christian has faith, and no real proof, then there is really nothing an Atheist can accomplish anyway. Freedom of religion, freedom of faith without proof, call what you will....
hmm

United States

#14 Jan 9, 2013
One last thing, it may be that the nonbeliever is not satisfied with his/her belief system...they want an answer. So, they are basically trying to find it, and may not think it seems fair that others aren't as discontent as they are. Misery loves company. An atheist doesn't really have an answer for what happens after we die and all the rest. Christians and other religions are content with the one they have made up (please, I do not mean to offend, and so very hope I have not--I'm only taking an objective perspective).
I know you

United States

#15 Jan 9, 2013
hmm wrote:
Thanks, but not so sure you should rely much on what I say.
I actually started to use the words racism and prejudice in my other post... that the intolerance can possibly be equated to those. I talked myself out of it though, for what at the moment I thought I was a good reason, but now I cant recall. lol. So yes, it at least crossed my mind and I wanted to initially equate the two. Religion is not a race (physical attribute), so I don't think it is actually a form of racism. But yes, it is a form of prejudice that seems (unless I remember why I decided not to use the words) to be one and the same as a prejudice toward homosexuals. And yes, it does denote a superiority and inferiority designated to the nonbeliever and believer.
I think an intolerant Atheist is more vile than any hypocritical or pushy Christian, because of the disdain in the Atheist's heart. A hypocritical Christian is acting based upon a weakness in the moment (we all make mistakes), yet they still carry that love and understanding for all others. A pushy Christian is only trying to help nonbelievers, which actually should be appreciated and shows they have a caring heart, regardless of whether it is a shared belief. The intolerance you ask about gives nonbelievers, including myself, a bad rep. I merely like to coexist and respect the beliefs of others, because that is what I want others to do for me.
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De Sade

Corbin, KY

#16 Jan 10, 2013
A "real" Atheist wouldn't feel the need to change the mind of a believer.
He wouldn't feel threatened by a believer simply stating that he or she believes in a god or is thankful to a god.

A "real" Atheist" wouldn't feel the need to insult a god who doesn't exist and wouldn't feel the need to ridicule any believer.
He would be tolerant of others' beliefs because an Atheist's freedom FROM religion relies on tolerance.

A "real" Atheist would be comfortable enough in his or her beliefs, that he wouldn't feel offended when somebody suggested that he believe otherwise, because Atheists realize nobody can be forced to believe anything.
Belief is subjective.

A "real" Atheist wouldn't be miserable or uneasy in a discussion about religion since he is confident in what he believes.

It is only the Agnostics and those struggling on the edge of belief and non-belief who get so riled and aggressive in a religious debate...
People who were once religious to some degree and feel disappointed or
rejected by the "god" in question.

Lashing out at all believers is their way of fighting the conviction that makes them uneasy and a way to "get revenge" on a god whom they fell let them down in some way.

It's also easy to pass the buck and blame religion for all the wrong in the world instead of placing the blame where it rightly belongs: ON PEOPLE.
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That's equivalent to blaming all the cars for highway deaths.
It's not the vehicle; it's the person controlling it.
People are responsible for crimes, violence, and all manner of evil.
Though people can twist scriptures for their own malevolent purposes and evil agendas, I don't know of any religion that actually encourages (as part of their religious doctrine) harm on other individuals except satanism.

Therefore, it would seem 99.9 % of the non-believers on Topix are fake Atheists.
De Sade

Corbin, KY

#17 Jan 10, 2013
*feel
Lucifer Jones

United States

#18 Jan 10, 2013
Great post
hmm

United States

#19 Jan 10, 2013
@ De Sade

I give you props. I am never capable of bringing my "A-game" that early in the morning, not until I've had at least 2 cups of coffee. lol.

Most of your post consists of definitive-styled statements (most of which I agree with). Are you open to discussion? If so, do you believe that when "getting revenge" it is possible said revenge is not directed only at a God? I suppose it seems somewhat bizarre to me that a person would get revenge by and through lashing out at uninvolved (for lack of a better word) individuals? It is possible that I am ignorant of the obvious. Feel free to enlighten me.

Also, I very much like your statement regarding where the blame should be directed. I find that often times, such as with the terrorist attacks, people blame the religion as a whole and form a prejudice toward all persons that fit into a certain religious box. There are extremist in every religion, and within every nonreligious group. No two people believe the same 100%. No one wants to be forced to carry a label that indicates and identifies them as holding beliefs that they do not possess. It's often difficult, however, to refrain from unconsciously stereotyping, as we all know.

You stated the following: "It is only the Agnostics and those struggling on the edge of belief and non-belief who get so riled and aggressive in a religious debate...People who were once religious to some degree and feel disappointed or rejected by the "god" in question."
Respectfully, I must disagree. I consider myself Agnostic. I do not feel as though it is a struggle for me; I am comfortable with what I do and do not know to be absolute. My personal religion is constantly evolving, just as my beliefs regarding many things in life, because I am constantly learning and experiencing. I do not find myself being easily riled or aggressive during religious debate, as I enjoy learning and hearing the thoughts of others. Everyone has things within their head that I don't know or have not before thought. Also, I am actually the product of a very religious upbringing, yet I do not, at all, feel disappointed or rejected by the religion or God I was taught. I am thankful for my background; it made me who I am today, and taught me compassion and kindness. I would not give up those things or change the way I was raised.

Feel free to openly comment; I do not judge and am not easily offended, or at least that's what I strive for.
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Heidrick, KY

#20 Jan 10, 2013
I don't think that's true. Many religious people are under the impression that non-believers must be miserable if they don't adopt their imaginary friend. My conscience would not allow me to lie to childen for a living.
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