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wow

Murray, KY

#1 Jan 31, 2012
Instead of "escorting" hazmats thru the tunnel, now they actually have workers sitting in their trucks, watching traffic go by 24-7. Also, who is paying for these repairs? I am so fed up with the waste and ridiculousness of that place. And don't get me started on the 25 mph speed limit. Really??
Just Me

Mayfield, KY

#2 Jan 31, 2012
Than MOVE
wow

Murray, KY

#3 Jan 31, 2012
Just Me wrote:
Than MOVE
Do you mean "then move"?
goober

New Tazewell, TN

#4 Jan 31, 2012
they should have left the mountain open for these times. the park could have closed it during the winter, had reduced speed. I noticed there is water standing in the open tunnel.
wow

Murray, KY

#5 Jan 31, 2012
goober wrote:
they should have left the mountain open for these times. the park could have closed it during the winter, had reduced speed. I noticed there is water standing in the open tunnel.
I noticed that too?! I guess if water starts to drip from the ceiling, we should be worried! I agree with you, we should have an alternate route.
WENT THROUGH IT

United States

#6 Jan 31, 2012
Hey...I went through the tunnel today. Boy it was a hassle....slow, crowded, one lane.

I could have taken the Gap and it would have been just as fast....and less hassle. I think I'll do that next time I come through, if the construction is still going on.

Oh, wait...never mind...somebody COVERED THE GAP ROAD WITH DIRT.
noticed

Mayfield, KY

#7 Feb 1, 2012
I noticed the water standing and getting worse in the open side. I told my husband the other day what happens if that side falls in with the other side torn up. Yikes
wondering

Madisonville, KY

#8 Feb 1, 2012
although i go through the tunnel almost daily, i have yet to figure out exactly what the "maintance" is thats occuring in the south bound tunnel. every day i hear the same broadcast when i enter. has there been a cave in, a light blow, what? if anyone knows this info please enlighten.
Cranky1

Versailles, KY

#9 Feb 1, 2012
The concrete road is being replaced in many sections in the south bound lane. Some of the water that runs beneath the road bed has a higher acidic content which ate away the limestone base of the road.

A granite roadbed is replacing the limestone and is not as susceptible to the acidic water as the limestone. In some cases damns and channeling are being done to run the water off quicker. And the tunnel was designed for water to run over it, under it and around it, the acidic water however was not counted on.

When the south bound tunnel is repaired the north bound will be repaired.

I agree the old mountain road should have been retained for emergencies however, traffic is moving with the tunnel under repair. When there was a wreck on the mountain nobody moved period.

And the tunnel does require maintenance which all the crews perform. Now you can fire them all and do nothing but eventually you are really going to have major repair issues. It's just like building a house or building and deciding not to do anything to it repair or upkeep wise. Sure you can do it for a while but eventually you are going to have a more expensive mess to clean up.

As for the 25mph speed limit. I suppose you could go faster, but would getting to your destination 10 mins. faster be a consolation to a workers family who got run over and killed by someone in a hurry. Probably not for most...
I Question

Somerset, KY

#10 Feb 1, 2012
Sounds like the engineers failed to do the job...
Oh PLEASE

Nashville, TN

#11 Feb 1, 2012
Cranky1 wrote:
...you can fire them all and do nothing...
That's a FALSE CHOICE...and an argument which inplies that YOU think those hearing the message are stupid. Of course no one would argue for having NO maintenance.

NOBODY want's to "fire" ALL of the maintenance people. But, like ALL OTHER GOV'T endeavors, why are there SO MANY ?(and at very generous pay...considering the nature of the work....plus MEGA benefits)

And what has most folks puzzled is WHY the Gap road was just pushed away (rather than retained for park use and a backup)...not that it be the ONLY route.

truth

United States

#12 Feb 1, 2012
Oh PLEASE wrote:
<quoted text>

And what has most folks puzzled is WHY the Gap road was just pushed away (rather than retained for park use and a backup)...not that it be the ONLY route.
The Park was very upfront with their plans to restore the Wilderness Road Trail. Before the tunnel visitors could only enjoy the Gap as they zoomed by on a curvy two lane mountain road. The restoration project has enabled the Park to restore the trail and actually attract more visitors. After all, what is so exciting about driving across the mountain and not getting to experience the Gap as it was when Daniel Boone came through? The Park now has some beautiful trails that were not possible with the road across Cumberland Mountain.

The tunnel has made the trip from Middlesboro to Harrogate safe and quick and restored the Wilderness Road for visitors to thoroughly enjoy. I remember when the mountain was routinely CLOSED due to snow and numerous DEADLY wrecks.
Mighty Hero

Winchester, KY

#13 Feb 1, 2012
Hi, I'm Rick Nelson. Call me I can help. I'll help open the tunnel. I've raised your taxes,I've cut your budget, I've helped destroy the retirement system for Kentucky employees, I've helped Obama stop coal mining in nationwide by sitting on my ass and not doing anything. I've increased 4-wheeler traffic upon the highway. I've helpd Breshear lower the prison population. I'm cutting big government, by starving state employees which cause them to find other work beside being a lazy state worker. I'm for business-"my business advice,(keep your property locked up because we are letting out the thieves who are non-violent, offenders, giving them a chance to steal your property). When I retire from state government I will have Albey Brock give me a job like he did Rob Links, but I will be Director of Magistrate Supervision Special Operations, because magistrates need a director they have no idea what they are doing, letting Albey make positions and fill job slots before the position is created. Don't worry Junior, help is on the way.
Goober

New Tazewell, TN

#14 Feb 2, 2012
I do agree with truth. But the tunnel keeps falling apart. If they would have left the mountain open, the park could control it. They could have dropped the speed limit to 30mph. They could have made money from speeding tickets. They could have closed it and used it as an alternate route when the tunnel falls apart as it does. With so much water coming out, it is going to continue to erode.
Goober

New Tazewell, TN

#15 Feb 2, 2012
And it could probably generated more business for the Gap.
BIGGEST Reason

Murfreesboro, TN

#16 Feb 2, 2012
Goober wrote:
And it could probably generated more business for the Gap.
Keeping it as a leisurely park road (like in the Smokies)...and as a tunnel back-up....work have been much better...

BUT...agree with Goober...the BIGGEST reason to have kept it open was for the town of Cumberland Gap.

It would have been MUCH better for their local economy to have the flow of "leisure" travelers who prefer to take quieter back roads.

Their restaurants would have done much better...more folks would have stopped in their just out of curiosity and dropped a few dollars.

To be honest....I'm surprised they did not go ballistic (and maybe they did at the time) about it being closed.

Just bad all around.

Again again, I'm not saying Either/Or....I'm saying it should have been kept open IN ADDITION TO the tunnel (for the above reasons).
Cranky1

Versailles, KY

#17 Feb 3, 2012
That's a FALSE CHOICE...and an argument which inplies that YOU think those hearing the message are stupid. Of course no one would argue for having NO maintenance.

NOBODY want's to "fire" ALL of the maintenance people. But, like ALL OTHER GOV'T endeavors, why are there SO MANY ?(and at very generous pay...considering the nature of the work....plus MEGA benefits)

-Then who do you keep and who do you fire? How many does it take for proper maintenance? And they are not government employees, Vaughn&Melton have the contract for the tunnels operation a private company, do you think they are going to just hire a ton more employees than actually needed? That cuts into their profit margin if you go by your statement, which isn't going to happen.

And what has most folks puzzled is WHY the Gap road was just pushed away (rather than retained for park use and a backup)...not that it be the ONLY route.

-Again, no argument from me on this. Even though the park may have been upfront about destroying the old road, that still does not make it a logical decision and the government is not known for making logical decisions so no surprise here.
kicks

Madisonville, KY

#18 Feb 3, 2012
Understanding that maintance is to be performed isn't really the problem. The problem is that its taking forever. Understanding the ecomony and the need for job security isn't a problem. But Dang! Could there possibly be a connection between prolonged maintance and the need for a payday?.....It can be seen everywhere...just look around..15 men standing around talking it over while one or two men works. Not really rocket science. Growling and mumbling about the closed road isn't going to help now... its done..and the fact that acid rain has been falling for how many years now..I feel sympathic, insulted and annoyed!
the lives its saved

Mayfield, KY

#19 Feb 4, 2012
you know the tunnel has saved many of lives maybe even yours if you travel to tennessee at one time when the mountain was open it was the most deadliest mountain around there was an average of 1 fatality every 2 months so dont knock the people that works up there they have a job and at least they do get a paycheck and not complain about whats going on every tunnel in the united states needs maintenance and thats what they are having to do know
Xiaxia

Tazewell, TN

#20 Feb 4, 2012
Did the tunnel cave in? That's what someone told me?

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